Idol worship and its effects
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I did a lot of thinking, asked a lot of questions, and studied the quran to know why the god hates idolatry and I think the reason why the god has a problem with idol worship is that it's irrational. People who believe in irrational things are also irrational and therefore base their moral beliefs on irrational ideas and this makes them very prone to cause a lot of suffering. Every despicable ideology that's caused a lot of suffering is based on irrational ideas. Socialism, Orthodox Islam, Fascism, etc. are impossible to justify rationally and look what they've done and continue to do. Stupid people do stupid things
6137 And it was adorned for those who set up partners, by such partners, to kill their children in order to turn them and to confuse their system for them. Had God willed they would not have done this, so ignore them and what they invent.
I think the reason why the god will nullify all the good deeds of idol worshipers is because their good deeds only seem like good deeds. To an irrational person, the ayatollahs of Iran forcing people not to drink, smoke up and so on might seem good, but such seemingly good work is nullified because it comes at a grave cost liberty.
322 These are the ones whose works will be lost in this world, and in the Hereafter they will have no supporters.
Indeed! The seemingly good works of the ayatollahs is wasted. True, people in Iran are afraid to drink, smoke up, have illicit sex and all that, but Iran is a miserable place to live. In other words, the god has nullified the good works of the ayatollahs. The god did the same with Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany and every other country that rejected the god's command to be rational
6510 God has prepared for them a severe retribution. Therefore, you shall be aware of God, O you who possess intelligence and believed. God has sent down to you a remembrance.
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They dedicated their entire life to preparing for heaven. I don't see how they're being duped will throw them in, especially if they were free of bad intentions. Their goal was to really please Allah.
I know a bunch of Sunnis as well and they also pray a lot and try really hard to please their despotic god, but does that make them good people? They think it's okay to hate Jews, gays and Americans and to treat women like shit all because their god tells them to. Good intentions can pave the way to Hell.
Can I have the verse saying even "the people with good intentions" will be going to hell? Because I think it is the people who will CLAIM this yet have no good intentions who will be hell residers, hence the liars.
211-12 And if they are told ?Do not make evil in the land,? they say ?But we are the reformers!? No, they are the evildoers, but they do not perceive.
It's not enough to have good intentions. People can do good things only when their good intentions are coupled with good sense and the god has given everyone the ability to be sensible. Every human being has a human brain, which is a marvelous thing so no human has any excuse for not being sensible. In addition to encoding morality in our genes, the god has also given us the quran.
"This is a day when the truthful will be saved by their truthfulness" is pretty straightforward to me. When you LIE, you don't fear God. When you live your life while fearing God entirely, I think that's enough to send you straight to heaven.
I don't think fearing the god is enough. I think obeying the god's commands to be humble, open-minded and kind are what allow people to be good.
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As far as the Muhammedans I think they are in the same category as the Jews, in that they abandoned the message of the Koran and started following their own traditions.
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Muhammedans are actually much worse than Judaists.
(Judaism followers; Jews are 'race', there are good jews and bad jews and not all are Judaists, some are xtians, sunnism, shiaism etc..).
At least Judaists doesn't worship "Moses"!Evenmore some of the Judaists are better than Muhammedans due to their abandonment of the 'fabricated law' they find inside their "Tanakh", and follow their own conscience instead. Many Muhammedans still struggling on this, abandon the 'hadith' or follow their own conscience.. and most of them follow the 'hadith' blindly.. (e.g. Kill/hate the jews commandment they find inside the hadith)
Salam / Peace
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Muhammedans are actually much worse than Judaists.
(Judaism followers; Jews are 'race', there are good jews and bad jews and not all are Judaists, some are xtians, sunnism, shiaism etc..).
At least Judaists doesn't worship "Moses"!Evenmore some of the Judaists are better than Muhammedans due to their abandonment of the 'fabricated law' they find inside their "Tanakh", and follow their own conscience instead. Many Muhammedans still struggling on this, abandon the 'hadith' or follow their own conscience.. and most of them follow the 'hadith' blindly.. (e.g. Kill/hate the jews commandment they find inside the hadith)
Salam / Peace
Following this line of reasoning , Hitler and The Germans of Pre-WW2 must be Muhammadans then ? I think Idol-Worship put people into mental slavery .
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On The Day Of Resurrection
GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.
"I told them only what You commanded me to say, that `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things.
"If You punish them, they are Your constituents. If You forgive them, You are the Almighty, Most Wise."
GOD will proclaim, "This is a day when the truthful will be saved by their truthfulness." They have deserved gardens with flowing streams. They abide therein forever. GOD is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. This is the greatest triumph.
To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything in them, and He is Omnipotent.
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How can this not apply to the Muhammadans, anyone? If they were "truthful" like I talked about earlier today meaning, they believed their heart and was free of evil/arrogance/etc., then what punishment will they suffer? If they are not LYING i.e. lying against themselves, or their hearts/souls, then so what if they believe in some hadith? They're not going to believe it if it contradicts the Quran, obivously, only then they would be lying to themselves because even Muhammadan's put Quran above hadith.
And even they are far from the idol worship that Christians these days do, yet the Christians may be forgiven. Surely the Muhammad's can be forgiven too right?
Peace,
Respectfully.Hvala Bogu, Thank God, AlhamdilAllah.
May The Exalted God bless you and reward you with The Best in Paradise.Peace.
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Following this line of reasoning , Hitler and The Germans of Pre-WW2 must be Muhammadans then ? I think Idol-Worship put people into mental slavery .
Incorrect reasoning mate.. you've fallen into yet another logical fallacy trap..
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Rabbit eats carrot
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Elephant eats carrot
Conclusion Elephant must be a rabbit. (Wrong)
Conclusion Elephant and rabbit both ate carrot (Correct) -
Muhammadans hate the jews
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Hitler and The Germans pre WW2 hate the jews (and also the blacks, the asians etc)
Conclusion -
Muhammadans and Hitler + The Germans pre WW2 both hate the jews
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Muhammadans and Hitler + The Germans pre WW2 are racist
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Muhammadans hate the jews because they are indoctrinized to do so based on hadith
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Hitler and The Germans pre WW2 hate the jews because they're indroctinized to do so based on social belief/Nazi propaganda + mein kampf.
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Muhammadans and Hitler + The Germans pre WW2 are 'retarded' people who blindly follow doctrine within their society without the ability, self-confidence and courage to follow their own conscience to judge between right and wrong.
"...Do not accept anything by mere tradition
... Do not accept anything just because it accords with your scriptures
... Do not accept anything merely because it agrees with your pre-conceived notions
... But when you know for yourselves?these things are moral, these things are blameless,
these things are praised by the wise, these things, when performed and undertaken,
conduce to well-being and happiness?then do you live acting accordingly."
-- Sidharta GautamaSalam / Peace
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Incorrect reasoning mate.. you've fallen into yet another logical fallacy trap..
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Rabbit eats carrot
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Elephant eats carrot
Conclusion Elephant must be a rabbit. (Wrong)
Conclusion Elephant and rabbit both ate carrot (Correct) -
Muhammadans hate the jews
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Hitler and The Germans pre WW2 hate the jews (and also the blacks, the asians etc)
Conclusion -
Muhammadans and Hitler + The Germans pre WW2 both hate the jews
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Muhammadans and Hitler + The Germans pre WW2 are racist
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Muhammadans hate the jews because they are indoctrinized to do so based on hadith
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Hitler and The Germans pre WW2 hate the jews because they're indroctinized to do so based on social belief/Nazi propaganda + mein kampf.
Conclusion -
Muhammadans and Hitler + The Germans pre WW2 are 'retarded' people who blindly follow doctrine within their society without the ability, self-confidence and courage to follow their own conscience to judge between right and wrong.
Salam / Peace
When I was little, my mum made me scared of the jews. whenever they walked through the park after a service at the synagogue she used to make us hide and she told me to stay away from them because they might kidnap me &
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Peace,
Idol worship is forbidden because it is false and unjust to your own soul. Allah is the one who created the Heavens and the Earth and no other.
Peace,
Rami
Well said.
God is the only one worthy of worship.
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Damn right he is.
I did a lot of thinking, asked a lot of questions, and studied the quran to know why the god hates idolatry and I think the reason why the god has a problem with idol worship is that it's irrational. People who believe in irrational things are also irrational and therefore base their moral beliefs on irrational ideas and this makes them very prone to cause a lot of suffering. Every despicable ideology that's caused a lot of suffering is based on irrational ideas. Socialism, Orthodox Islam, Fascism, etc. are impossible to justify rationally and look what they've done and continue to do. Stupid people do stupid things...
Very good!
I know a bunch of Sunnis as well and they also pray a lot and try really hard to please their despotic god, but does that make them good people? They think it's okay to hate Jews, gays and Americans and to treat women like shit all because their god tells them to. Good intentions can pave the way to Hell.
211-12 And if they are told ?Do not make evil in the land,? they say ?But we are the reformers!? No, they are the evildoers, but they do not perceive.
It's not enough to have good intentions. People can do good things only when their good intentions are coupled with good sense and the god has given everyone the ability to be sensible. Every human being has a human brain, which is a marvelous thing so no human has any excuse for not being sensible. In addition to encoding morality in our genes, the god has also given us the quran.
I don't think fearing the god is enough. I think obeying the god's commands to be humble, open-minded and kind are what allow people to be good.
Well, I personally don't consider someone who does something evil to have good intentions, even if it's in a hadith. Quran is Quran and you will find no evil commandment in it. However, a true believer, if he's part of the Sunni sect will critically examine ANY hadith knowing that it did not come from God, and will act accordingly to it if and only if it goes with the Quran (for instance growing a beard isn't against the Quran, so he can do this if he wishes). He will examine it and if it goes against his/her pure heart or the Quran, then he/she should reject it at all costs, despite what the scholars tell them or threaten them with. Scholars spend more time reading/studying hadith than Quran, anyway.
And if it goes against Quran, it can only come from Satan, and many muslims today adopt the hadith over the Quran (for instance the issue with zakah) and are either IGNORANT or think "hey! Muhammad allowed us to give it once a year so screw the Quran!!!" In this case you are committing idol-worship that is flagrant because you are disobeying God (not like Muhammad said this shit). You can't obey Muhammad while disobeying God, not that you are supposed to obey Muhammad in the first place. Whenever Muhammad is given the title "messenger" he is only reciting God's message. People take this as "believe God's words and Muhammad's words" unfortunately and, to be honest, despite God writing "obey the messenger" several times in the Quran, he gives clear proofs, left and right that the Quran IS THE ONLY MESSAGE Muhammad came with and that any other source of religious guidance is an evil innovation. They seem to be forgetting God will not show himself to us so HE HAS to tell us his words through a messenger, so it's no wonder that he would tell us to obey the messenger. The early Jews told Moses to show God to them, but God killed them as a result. There is a reason God calls us the "believers" several times in his book. I was listening to Yusuf Estes' khutbah (speech) two Fridays ago and not suprisingly, it was filled with bs here and there. You can expect that from a sunni. He was saying a believer is no different than Shaitan because he believes in God, completely ignorant of the fact Satan has no choice but to believe in God. Satan then is considered an acknowledger because he's been looking right at him before. This is not the case with us because we have not seen God, so no, a believer cannot be the same as Satan. A believer can sin one day after another, but I find it hard for a believer to end up in hell if he's truly a believer. How do you sin when you think you're going to gain nothing but everlasting torment after you die...this doesn't seem like very good belief in God and the hereafter to me.
Everything else that came out of Muhammad's mouth can be considered insensical garbage by God's standards because they are not the message that is supposed to come to us. Sunnis nonetheless think everything that came out his mouth is divine revelation. I guess when he said **** in Arabic when he slammed the door on his foot is a revelation from Allah as well. However, the "hadith" are mostly fabrications and stupid political/cultural bull$. Very few of them seem to be from Muhammad or relatively similar to his statements. It's amazing however that the Sunni's like to disregard the hadith where Muhammad condemned any hadith besides the Quran. It shouldn't be surprising though, because had they believed in this hadith they would turn into us, the God-worshippers. Oh noez, can't have that can we. We will stick to being one big stupid cult. Even if this hadith was "sahih" they would still reject it like the unparalleled hypocrites that they are.
Peace,
Respectfully.Hvala Bogu, Thank God, AlhamdilAllah.
May The Exalted God bless you and reward you with The Best in Paradise.Peace.
Thanks but...wut ;D