Common problems associated with the "salat" issue

GloryBeToOurGod

Peace.

Based on reading some articles and being able to verify some of that information. I have conlcuded the following

Salat can be an oath/bond which does not exclude a physical prostration, but encompasses a more broader meaning of hearing and obeying the commands.
This concept of prostration just like wudu can be both physical and mental. Without each other the other seems pointless.

For example

Quran says to wash one's face, hands to elbows, head, and feet. This is literal and mental. Literally clean those areas, due to a physical prostration which includes all those body parts. Second, a mental cleaning of the face, heands, head, and feet. I.E.. Make pure your eyes what you look at, your lips what you say, your ears what you hear, your feet where you walk, your head what you think., etc.

So, it doesnt have to be one or the other, but they can be both at the same time.

The oath/bond is to hear and obey God.

If he says read Quran in the dawn, you should uphold your oath/bond that you aggreed to when you submitted to God and uphold that command to read quran in the morning.
Just like if he told you to prostrate during the sun's setting then you should do such.

whatever he commands you to do at a timed decree you are to uphold the oath/bond and do what he asks.
If that includes reading or prostrating. Just liek the wudu, prostration can be physical in the timed decree he states and mental in the times when you are not under a timed decree, hence- upholding the bond/oath of not liying, stealing, taking other gods, etc.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Glory Be To OUr God

khurram

peace khurram,

I assume you are linking 17107 with "salat", by its proximity to 17110 where "salat" is used?

This is a fairly weak link. It is possible this is an idiomatic expression, meaning they submit their whole self (i.e. to the chin), or if taken literally, it can mean to lower the head and thus the chin to the chest in recognition/acknowledgement/sujud. However, the strongest argument against this being literal is the logic of it, as there is no way one should physically fall to the ground when The Quran is recited upon them, as that would be highly impractical, and possibly nonsensical.

Peace.
I am not relating this to Salaa actually.

I am referring to the act of sujud.

Sujud has been allowed as an act that can be physical where one prostrates such that the chin touches the floor.

Regards.
Khurram

Wakas

peace khurram,

By quoting 17107 directly after saying this

at at least two instances in the Reading, I notice mention of people performing salaa / sujud with their chins touching their floor.

so is there not some physical ritual aspect of salaa?

It clearly implies you are linking "salaa" with "sujud". To then say you are not relating them, is very unusual to me.

Anyways, let's say you're not relating them, so we can get back on point...

Sujud has been allowed as an act that can be physical where one prostrates such that the chin touches the floor.

This implies you take 17107 literally, if so, do you prostrate to the chin whenever you hear Al Quran (AQ) being recited?

Secondly, there is zero evidence of "sujud" used in a physical sense in AQ. The only possibility is this one, but as I said the practical implications of it being physical are significantly problematic. If we couple this with the FACT that "sujud" clearly does not mean a physical prostration in these signs (124, 4154, 25, and the example in which AQ equates the result of "sujud" with "hearing and obeying", I think the conclusion is apparent for all to see. I cant recall the specific verse at the moment. Background reading
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7801.msg13197#msg13197
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7428.msg7617#msg7617

peace GBTOG,

I agree with the gist of what you are saying. I'm sure you have probably read my article on "salat", so you know my view.

AlFajr

Peace all,
I have been doing some research and come accross some interesting verses.

Set 1

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The angels called to him whilst he was standing, communing, in the temple enclosure ?God gives you good tidings of John, authenticating the word from God, and a master, and steadfast, and a prophet from the upright.?

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He is the One who communes over you, along with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. And He is ever Merciful towards the believers.

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He will enter the great Fire.

The above bolded are all the same word.
So Salat may imply some kind of "connection".

Set 2

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And We took the covenant of the Children of Israel ?You shall not serve except God, and regard your parents, and regard the relatives, and orphans, and needy, and say kind things to the people, and uphold the communion, and contribute towards betterment.? But then you turned away, except a few of you; you were objecting.

512
God has taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and raised from them twelve representatives, and God said ?I am with you if you uphold the communion, and contribute towards betterment, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and give God a loan of righteousness; then I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath.? Whoever rejects after this from you, then he has strayed from the path.

514
And from those who have said ?We are Nazarenes,? We have taken their covenant and they have forgotten much of what they were reminded of; so We planted between them animosity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection; and God will inform them of what they had done.

Jesus
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?And He made me blessed wherever I was, and He charged me with the communion and towards betterment as long as I am alive.?

The Jews and Christians also had a covenant. Part of the Jews Covenant was also to uphold the Salat . Jesus was also charged with the Salat.
Salat is also part of the Covenant for believers in the Quran.

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And recall God?s blessings over you and His covenant that He has bound you with, for which you have said ?We hear and obey,? and be aware of God; for God knows what is inside the chests.

Set 3

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O you who believe, do not approach the communion while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying. Nor if you have had intercourse, unless traveling, until you bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or one of you has excreted feces, or you had sexual contact with the women, and could not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and hands. God is Pardoning, Forgiving.

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And if you go forth in the land, then there is no harm that you shorten from the communion, if you fear that the disbelievers will try you. The disbelievers are to you a clear enemy.

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And if you are with them and you hold the communion for them, then let a group from amongst them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; and when they have prostrated then let them stand guard from behind; and let a group who has not yet communed come and commune with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with them. The rejecters hope that you would neglect your weapons and goods so they can come upon you in one blow. There is no sin upon you if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you place down your weapons. And be wary. God has prepared for the rejecters a humiliating retribution.

4103
So, when you are done making the communion, then remember God while standing, or sitting, or on your sides. So, when you are relieved, then uphold the communion. Indeed, the communion for the believers becomes a timed schedule.

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The hypocrites seek to deceive God, while He is deceiving them; and if they stand to make the communion, they do so lazily, only to show the people; they do not remember God except very little.

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O you who believe, if you rise to hold the communion, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.

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And if you call to the communion, they take it as fun and games. That is because they are a people who do not understand.

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The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the communion. Will you be deterred?

The above verses signify Salat is something formal. It is something that people can "not take/perform seriously".

Set 4

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As for those who adhere to the Scripture, and they uphold the communion; We will not waste the reward of the righteous.

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So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill those who have set up partners wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and uphold the communion, and contribute towards betterment, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

911
If they repent, and they uphold the communion, and they contribute towards betterment, then they are your brothers in the system. We explain the revelations for a people who know.

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Rather, the temples of God are maintained by he who believes in God and the Last Day, and he upholds the communion, and he contributes towards betterment, and he does not fear except God. It is these that will be of the guided ones.

954
And what prevented what they would spend from being accepted from them except that they rejected God and His messenger, and they do not attend the communion except lazily, and they do not spend except unwillingly.

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Those who are humble when making their communion.

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Who are steadfast to their communion.

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Say ?My communion, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to God the Lord of the worlds.?

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And those who maintain their communions.

People who believe and adhere to the Quran should do the Salat. People who disbelieve can prove their allegiance by doing Salat. Not doing the Salat can have implications in the hereafter.

Set 5

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And We inspired to Moses and his brother ?Let your people leave their homes in Egypt, and let these homes be your focal point, and hold the communion. And give good news to the believers.?

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And you shall hold the communion at the two edges of the day, during the near parts of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember.

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?Our Lord, I have resided part of my progeny in an uncultivated valley near your Sacred Dwelling. My Lord, so that they may uphold the communion. So let the hearts of the people incline towards them and give provisions to them of the fruits that they may give thanks.?

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?My Lord, let me uphold the communion, and also from my progeny. Our Lord, accept my prayer.?

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You shall hold the communion at the setting of the sun until the darkness of the night; and the Qur?an at dawn; the Qur?an at dawn is witnessed.
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And from the night you shall reflect upon it additionally for yourself, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.

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And We made them leaders who guide by Our command, and We inspired them to do good work and uphold the communion and contribute towards betterment, and they were in service to Us.

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Those whom if We allow them authority in the land, they uphold the communion, and they contribute towards betterment, and deter from evil. And to God is the conclusion of all matters.

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Then generations came after them who lost the communion, and followed desires. They will find their consequences.

239
And those who maintain their communions.

Salat is something to be established/maintained. The believers with authority establish it. It can be "lost" by later generations.

Set 6

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Men who are not distracted by trade or sale from the remembrance of God and holding the communion, and contributing towards betterment. They fear a Day when the hearts and sight will be overturned.

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The hypocrites seek to deceive God, while He is deceiving them; and if they stand to make the communion, they do so lazily, only to show the people; they do not remember God except very little.

954
And what prevented what they would spend from being accepted from them except that they rejected God and His messenger, and they do not attend the communion except lazily, and they do not spend except unwillingly.

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So woe to those who commune,
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But to their communion they are absent minded.

It is something that requires "effort" as one can be too lazy or too distracted to do it.

Set 7

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Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and hold the communion, for the communion prohibits evil and vice; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.

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?O my son, hold the communion and advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and bear with patience whatever befalls you. These are the most honorable traits.?

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And none can carry the load of another, and even if it calls on another to bear part of its load, no other can carry any part of it, even if they were related. You will only be able to warn those who fear their Lord while unseen, and they uphold the communion. And whoever contributes, is contributing for himself. And to God is the final destiny.

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And those who have responded to their Lord, and they uphold the communion, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give.

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When adversity touches him he is miserable.
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And when good touches him he is stingy.
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Except for those who commune.

The Salat is something that distinguished the righteous people and makes them more susceptible to reformation and good conduct.

Set 8

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Then, once the communion is complete, you shall disperse through the land and seek God's provisions, and remember God frequently that you may succeed.

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O you who believe, let those who are committed to you by oath, and those who have not yet attained puberty, request your permission regarding three times before the dawn communion, and when you put off your attire from the noon time, and after the evening communion. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. God thus clarifies the revelations for you. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

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O you who believe, if the communion is called to on the day of assembly, then you shall hasten towards the remembrance of God, and cease all selling. This is better for you, if you only knew.

The Salat is something that occurs at a distinct time.

Set 9

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And instruct your family with the communion, and be patient for it. We do not ask you for provision, for We provide for you. And the good end is for the righteous.

1955
And he used to instruct his family with the communion and towards betterment, and his Lord was pleased with him.

245
And seek help through patience, and through the communion. It is a difficult thing, but not so for the humble.

2153
O you who believe, seek help through patience and through the communion, God is with the patient ones.

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They said ?O Shu?ayb, does your communion order you that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? You are the compassionate, the sane!?

The Salat can affect the believers' behavior (increase their patience) as well as those around them.

Set 10

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Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and commune over them; for your communion is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

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And from the Nomads are those who believe in God and the Last Day, and he looks upon what he spends to make him closer to God, and the communions of the messenger. It indeed makes them closer. God will admit them in His mercy; God is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Salat is valuable and a source of tranquility.

Set 11

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Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.

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And their communion at the Dwelling was nothing but noise and aversion. Taste the retribution for what you have rejected.

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Maintain the communions; and a balanced communion; and stand dutiful for God.

The Salat is something that can be taken to the extreme (noise etc.).

Set 12

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Those who are humble when making their communion.

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Who are steadfast to their communion.

20132
And instruct your family with the communion, and be patient for it. We do not ask you for provision, for We provide for you. And the good end is for the righteous.

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And this is a Scripture which We have sent down, blessed, authenticating what is present with him, and that you may warn the capital of the towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are dedicated to their communion.

The Salat needs to be maintained in a patient/humble/dedicated way.

Set 13

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For he did not believe nor commune.
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But he denied and turned away.

969
Have you seen the one who deters,
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A servant from communing?
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So do not obey him, prostrate and come near.

A Salat draws one closer to God and Truth.

Set 14

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So, when you are done making the communion, then remember God while standing, or sitting, or on your sides. So, when you are relieved, then uphold the communion. Indeed, the communion for the believers becomes a timed schedule.

The Remembrance of God can occur even after the communion

Set 15

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They said ?O Lot, we are your Lord?s messengers; they will not be able to harm you, so travel with your family during the cover of the night and let not any of you look back except for your wife, she will be afflicted with what they will be afflicted. Their appointed time will be the morning. Is the morning not near??

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And if you are with them and you hold the communion for them, then let a group from amongst them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; and when they have prostrated then let them stand guard from behind; and let a group who has not yet communed come and commune with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with them. The rejecters hope that you would neglect your weapons and goods so they can come upon you in one blow. There is no sin upon you if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you place down your weapons. And be wary. God has prepared for the rejecters a humiliating retribution

The above 2 bolded bits are both the same word . YSsLWA

It implies some form of "contact".

I haven't come to a conclusion yet but to me it appears to be a visible action that only offers benefits to those with the right attitude/mentality.

khurram

Secondly, there is zero evidence of "sujud" used in a physical sense in AQ. The only possibility is this one, but as I said the practical implications of it being physical are significantly problematic. If we couple this with the FACT that "sujud" clearly does not mean a physical prostration in these signs (124, 4154, 25, and the example in which AQ equates the result of "sujud" with "hearing and obeying", I think the conclusion is apparent for all to see. I cant recall the specific verse at the moment. Background reading
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7801.msg13197#msg13197
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7428.msg7617#msg7617

Peace Wakas.

Thanks for the references.
What is more enlightening in the background reading is that even the mention of Qibla does not relate to Salaa.

Overall, I do not perform salaa the way sunnis do, but I was questioning whether there is a physical aspect of sujud and ruku.
Thanks for your reply on this.

GloryBeToOurGod

Peace.

aa I have read your post and I find it interesting.

The following verses you indicated

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O you who believe, let those who are committed to you by oath, and those who have not yet attained puberty, request your permission regarding three times before the dawn communion, and when you put off your attire from the noon time, and after the evening communion. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. God thus clarifies the revelations for you. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

Look in this verse where it says put off your attire from the noon time. Then it later says God thus clarifies the revelations for you.
If the salat al wusta or "middle prayer" if you want to call it a prayer. Then the middle prayer is not really a prayer. God clearly indicates the dawn and the evening communion according to this translation or dawn and evening "salat". Thus, clarifying that the reference to middle prayer or middle salat. indicates that there is not in fact a middle "prayer. But it would make more sense to say the salat is a bond/oath and the central or most important of those oaths to be upheld.

Now the verses you put

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So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill those who have set up partners wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and uphold the communion, and contribute towards betterment, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

911
If they repent, and they uphold the communion, and they contribute towards betterment, then they are your brothers in the system. We explain the revelations for a people who know.

Just looking at these verses out of context would make one to think that the people mentioned here are former believers, but if you look at the whole of the chapter 9, you can clearly see they are referring to those who broke the treaty. So the repent would refer to the breaking of that treaty. 95 clearly defines these people as "those who have set up partners".

Also, you mentioned a verse about I beelive John receiving news while he was in "communion". The following verse or near verse says what? He indicated to his pepole they should glorify their Lord Morning and evening.

Thus strengthening for me that the "salat" is 2 times a day. Also, there are many many verses in which the "morning and evening" are mentioned. Including the dwellers of hell getting nasty food I believe in the morning and evening. Perhaps as an exact recompose for their lack of "salat" morning and evening.

To GOD prostrates everyone in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and the evenings.

Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. And during the night glorify Him, as well as at both ends of the day, that you may be happy.

They glorify night and day, without ever tiring

Therefore, you shall glorify GOD when you retire at night, and when you rise in the morning.

You shall glorify Him day and night.

We committed the mountains in his service, glorifying with him night and day.

Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise, and before sunset.
You shall steadfastly persevere in carrying out your Lord's command - you are in our eyes - and glorify and praise your Lord when you get up.

Also during the night glorify Him, and at dawn as the stars fade away.

You shall glorify the name of your Lord, the Great.

Therefore, you shall glorify the name of your Lord, Most Great.

During the night, fall prostrate before Him, and glorify Him many a long night.

You shall glorify and praise your Lord, and implore Him for forgiveness. He is the Redeemer.

At dawn, they prayed for forgiveness.

Also during the night glorify Him, and at dawn as the stars fade away.

We showered them with rocks. Only Lot's family was saved at dawn.

By the dawn.

Peaceful it is until the advent of the dawn.

They are steadfast, truthful, submitting, charitable, and meditators at dawn.

So Zakariya came out to his people from him chamber He told them by signs to celebrate God's praises in the morning and in the evening.

Joe_Betik

salaam,

please read without prejudice. this is just a personal comprehension. and ponder on verse 15.

087 The Most High

In status, God is the Compassionately Gracious

Immerse yourself in the status of your (s) Lord, He is the Most High.
He is the one who created, therefore He created in harmony.
And He is the one who determined, therefore He determined in guiding.
And He is the one who made it public, the guardianship.
Therefore He made it ecstaticly joyful, the ripening of deep thoughts.
So, We shall let you (s) ponder, but then do not be oblivious.
It is only what He wills. Verily He is aware of the manifest, and what He keeps as a secret.
And We will make it easy for you to follow.
Therefore, you remind, if the reminder is beneficial.
He will remember, whoever is in fear.
But, he will avoid it, the one who finds it burdensome.
He is the one who is roasting in the great fire.
For that reason, he does not die therein, and he is not ashamed.
He had already prospered, anyone who clears his mind.
And he keeps in mind the status of his Lord, therefore, he establishes the relationship.
No, you (pl.) prefer the life of this world, rather.
While the life of the Hereafter is better, and more permanent.
Verily this is in the initial journals.
It was the journals of Ibrahim, and Musa too.

peace

joe

Joe_Betik

salaam,

and of course, this surah too. pay attention to verse 10. without prejudice please.

096 The Dependence
In status, God is the Compassionately Gracious

You (s) ponder! In status, your Lord is the one who created.
He created man in dependence.
Ponder how your Lord is the Most Generous.
He is the one who taught progressively.
He taught what man did not know.
On the other hand, verily man is exceeding proper bounds.
It is that he looked upon himself as self-sufficient.
Verily it is to your Lord, the reference.
Do you see him who forbids?

He is a servant when he establishes the relationship.

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Do you think if he is on guidance?
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Or he commands with enlightenment?
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Do you think if he denies, and turns away?

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Did he not know that God is watching?
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On the other hand, if he does not stop, We shall certainly scorch his mind.

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It is a mind of deceit in intensity.
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Let him call up his circles.
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We will summon the enraged supporters.
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On the contrary, you (s) do not follow him, but you be respectful and be close.

peace

joe

Alen

Peace,
Respectfully.

I somehow find these two verses very informative
You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the best balanced prayer, and devote yourselves totally to GOD.
Under unusual circumstances, you may pray while walking or riding. Once you are safe, you shall commemorate GOD as He taught you what you never knew.

As you can see, the underlined tells me something. First, the verse 238 in chpater 2, says observe the prayers but in the next verse, we are told that under unusual circumstances we may change the usual way of praying. So i guess now a new question arises what is the usual way of praying?

I'm looking forward to all your speedy responses.
Glory be to our God.
Peace.

God_Within

Peace be upon you Alen,

Walking or riding involves MOVEMENT..therefore the usual way requires stillness, not moving....it is interesting that in Hiduism, the goal is to reach Nirvana (nir = not, vana= moving).

Everything in creation vibrates(moves)...our greatest urge is to get back to the state of non movement(peace). That is why we sleep at night.

Everything seeks that state of rest.

jonny_k

Peace "Bubbles",
You said on June 7th

Why do you believe the Quran is divinely inspired anyway? If every single word in the Quran is under scrutiny and we cannot be sure what the meanings of certain words are, what reason would I have for believing that the Arabic used in it is beautiful? If Muhammed's history is irrelevant why should I believe that he wasn't a power hungry liar?

JK- While the Quran says that Muhammad was sent as a "mercy for mankind" the sira depicts him very differently on various occassions so it is the history of Muhammad from hadith actually which DOES portry a picture of a power hungry man. You just select the good things out of the sira and hide the bad stuff. With this technique one can even turn Hitler into a good man bit it doesnt say anything about his true person. Now we know th hadith doesnt portry the true Muhammad as hes int he Quran. Here look at some of the stuff mostly hidden from new comers to "islam"

Ishaq 676 "?You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?' Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ?Will no one rid me of this woman?' Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet's wishes. That very night he crept into the writer's home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ?You have helped Allah and His Apostle.'
Umayr said, ?She had five sons; should I feel guilty?' ?No,' the Prophet answered. ?Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'"
Ishaq 308 "Halfway to Medina, Ocba was called out to be executed." The Prophet said, ?Because of your enmity to Allah and to his Prophet.' ?And my little girl,' cried Ocba in bitterness, ?who will take care of her?' ?Hell Fire,' Muhammad responded. At that moment he was decapitated. ?Wretch that you were, you scoffed at me and claimed that your stories were better than mine. I give thanks that Allah has slain you and comforted me.'"
Tabari VIII122/Ishaq515 "The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ?Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."

Heres another SAHIH hadith which protrays Muhammad as a deceiver/liar sou YOU are the one who shld actually believe this
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369)
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab)." The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad) demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dripping blood is from him." Ka'b said, "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr, Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and said to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "I have never smelt a better scent than this." Ka'b replied, "I have got the best Arab women who knows how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b, "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf.

Notice how vile and merciless this depicts a picture of the Prophet but this is not a daeef hadith and for nyou to be consistent youd have to accept it. GOD Bless!