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    dawngorgeous
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    Peace Msdsadic,

    What is the proper translation. It baffles me as a non-arabic speaker, that you guys don't even understand it. Then what hope for the rest of us?

    Dawn.

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      Peace,
      I've been search for literal translation of salla, but still cannot find the right word to explain what salla is.
      So I just try to grab the meaning of salat by reading the following verses

      7531 fal saddaqa wal sall
      7532 walkin kadhaba watawall

      7531 For he did not believe nor salla
      7532 But he denied and turned away.

      So the saddaqa is the opposite of kadhaba, and salla is the opposite of turned away. So the word represent the salla here is straightaway or commitment.

      But sometimes I found in Quran the word of Salla means to straightaway of something or commitment on something, depend on the context of verses.

      Here is the examples

      489 They hope that you will reject as they have rejected, then you will be the same. Do not take any of them as allies until they emigrate in the cause of God. If they turn away, then take them and kill them wherever you find them; and do not take from them any ally or supporter.
      490 Except for those who reach a people with whom you have a covenant, or if they come to you with a reluctance in their chests to fight you or to fight their own people. Had God willed He would have given them strength and they would have fought you. But if they retire from you, and do not fight you, and they offer you peace; then God does not make for you a path against them.

      The verses above talking about war against the Rejecter and also covenant of peace with the Rejecter. Starting from here, we will talk about the commitment (Salla) of the covenant of peace.

      and let see the next verses

      4101 And if you go forth in the land, then there is no harm that you taqsur mina l-salati, if you fear that the rejecters will try you. The rejecters are to you a clear enemy.
      4102 And if you are with them (the rejecters) and you lead salata for them, then let a group from among them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; and when they have sajad then let them be behind you; and let a group who has not yet yusallu come and falyusallu with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with them. The rejecters hope that you would neglect your weapons and goods so they can come upon you in one blow. There is no sin upon you if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you place down your weapons. And be wary. God has prepared for the rejecters a humiliating retribution.

      I let the word solaa untranslated so we can see how it works.

      let's analyze the first untranslated words taqsuru minalsalati.

      taqsuru come from triliteral root qaf-sad-ra means shortened, ceased, restrained, palace, fortress.

      In this context, which the salaa means commitment regarding the covenant of peace, so the best word to describe taqsuru is restrained or ceased.

      4101 And if you go forth in the land, then there is no harm that you restrained the commitment (of peace), if you fear that the rejecters will try you. The rejecters are to you a clear enemy.

      and the next verse will be

      4102 And if you are with them (the rejecters) and you lead the commitment (of peace) for them, then let a group from among them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; and when they have /agreed/consented/submissive (sajad&#363 then let them be behind you; and let a group who has not yet committed come and committed with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with them. The rejecters hope that you would neglect your weapons and goods so they can come upon you in one blow. There is no sin upon you if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you place down your weapons. And be wary. God has prepared for the rejecters a humiliating retribution.

      So the Salla here is about comitment to covenant of peace. In 4101, the prophet has been warned to restrained his commitment (of peace). In case another Rejecter (who didn't commit to the covenant of peace) will strike back, along the journey to the place of meeting, and during the meeting. The restrained commitment is meant to be wary, since the prophet could not 100% sure about the rejecter position.

      and the next verse

      4103 Then, if you have completed commitment (restrained one), remember God while standing, or sitting, or on your sides. Then, if you are secure, hold the commitment (full commitment). Indeed, the commitment for the believers is a Book that is scheduled.

      another example is about commitment on trading.

      the prerequisites here is to understand that

      Yaumil Jumuah/Gathering Day (629) = Yawmil Jam'i/Gathering Day (649) = Yaumul Taghabuni/Day of mutual gain and loss (in the context of trade) (649) = Yaumil Qiyamati/the Day of assembly (4526) = Yaumun la bay'un/ No trading day (2254).

      So the Yaumil Jumuah (gathering day) must be understood that it is not Friday or the sixth day in a week, but it's the day which hasn't come yet, and will be coming someday and also known as the day of ressurection.

      Now let's get into the verse

      629 yayyuh alladhnaman idh ndiya lilssalati min yawmil-jumuati fa-is'aw il dhik'ri l-lahi wadhar l-bay'a dhlikum khayrun lakum in kuntum ta'lamna
      629 O you who believe, when the call is made for the commitment of the day of gathering, then you shall hasten towards the remembrance of God, and cease all trading. This is better for you, if only you knew.

      Beware that the verse has used the word min before the yaumil jumuah to prevent the meaning "at the day". So it should be "of the day".

      There are three things in the verse

      • Commitment to the yaumil jumuah
      • Get back to the dhikr'i (N) or remambrance of God
      • Cease all trading

      So context here is about trading. How to perform trading according to the dhikri (remembrance of god/Al Quran). As you can see in 629 and 649, that Yawmil Jumuah in 629 has the same word with the Yawmil Jam'i in 649. And in 649 you can find that Yawmil Jam'i also known as Yawmun Taghabuni, or The Day mutual gain or loss or cheat in trading, the same thing you can find in 2254, Yaumun la bay'un.

      649 The Day when He will gather you; the Day of Gathering; that is the Day of mutual gain and loss. And whoever believes in God and does good works, He will forgive his sins, and will admit him into estates with rivers flowing beneath them, abiding therein eternally. Such is the great triumph.

      What we can find that Salaa in 629 means commitment to prepare ourself before the day of gathering (also known as no trading day) has come. So we must understand how to trade correctly according to the Al Quran.

      Why we need to cease the trading then?

      It's caused by one of basic principles of trading is not easy to understand for some people as shown in the following verse

      2275 Those who consume usury (riba) do not rise except as one being influenced by the touch of the devil. That is because they have said "Trade is the same as usury (riba)." While God has made trade lawful, and He has made usury unlawful. Whoever has received understanding from His Lord and ceases, then he will be forgiven for what was before this and his case will be with God. But whoever returns, then they are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide.

      So the believer must stop for a while to understand how the trading works, how the trading different than usury.

      And if the commitment has been made and the concept has been fully understood, the believer can continue to the business.

      6210 Then, once the commitment is completed, you shall disperse through the land and seek the provisions of God, and remember God frequently that you may succeed.

      Others basic principles of trading could be find in 2188, 2282, 1735, and 2437.

      So that's all my opinion about Salaa.

      Peace

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        dawngorgeous
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        Peace Twihala,

        I am wondering how the concept of wudu might fit into your understanding of salat. Also, why would God ask us not to drink alcohol before your understanding of salat?

        Dawn

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          Peace Dawn,
          Wudu, it?s all about hygiene. As you can see in Quran, there are so many verses talking about ablution both physically and mentally..
          In verse 811, God has sent down the water from the sky to cleanse us, and He has explained how to do it in 56.

          811 Sleep overcame you to give you tranquility from Him; and He sent down to you water from the sky to cleanse you with it and cause the affliction of the devil to leave you; and so that He may strengthen your hearts and set firm your feet.

          56 O you who believe, if you rise to commit (on hygiene), then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be thankful.

          Allah wants to cleanse the believer, both physically and mentally. And Verse 56 confirming physical ablution.
          Some people think that ablution is precondition of Salaa. I think the ablution (physically and mentally) itself is Salaa (commitment on hygiene).

          Now let's jump into alcohol thing.

          443 O you who believe, do not make commitment while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying.

          Most of commitment made according to the books dealing with other people, such as covenant, marriage, trading, etc. When you made commitment, you have to know for sure what you are saying. Too much alcohol makes you get drunk, and you cannot control your mind and you won't remember what you are saying.

          It's very clear after saying unrealized commitment, you will get strife with other people

          591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants (khamr) and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the commitment. Will you be deterred?

          Peace

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            dawngorgeous
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            Peace Tlihawa,

            Thanks for your response. I agree with you with wudu being the salat itself and your explanation of the alcohol issue makes sense.

            Dawn.

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              msdsadic
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              Peace
              most of the translators made there job by referring the so called hadiths and they failed in giving the true meaning of THE BOOK.
              Those who tried to translate it using THE BOOK alone too failed to give the true meaning just because of the traditional so called sects.though they are not believing in sects.Their mind is always thinking of traditional rituals. First they have to remove it from their mind and heart.
              Quran is a literature it needs a good scholars to translate it.
              Very soon we are going to translate it in Tamil.

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                dawngorgeous
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                Peace Msdsadic,

                Good luck with the Tamil translation.

                Dawn.

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                  Thanks dear

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                    GODsubmitter
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                    Thank you tlihawa

                    very interesting translations and explanations indeed

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                      Bender
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                      Peace Dawn,
                      Wudu, it?s all about hygiene. As you can see in Quran, there are so many verses talking about ablution both physically and mentally..
                      In verse 811, God has sent down the water from the sky to cleanse us, and He has explained how to do it in 56.

                      811 Sleep overcame you to give you tranquility from Him; and He sent down to you water from the sky to cleanse you with it and cause the affliction of the devil to leave you; and so that He may strengthen your hearts and set firm your feet.

                      56 O you who believe, if you rise to commit (on hygiene), then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be thankful.

                      Allah wants to cleanse the believer, both physically and mentally. And Verse 56 confirming physical ablution.
                      Some people think that ablution is precondition of Salaa. I think the ablution (physically and mentally) itself is Salaa (commitment on hygiene).

                      Salaam tlihawa,

                      I don't get the red part.
                      56 "... "
                      as per my understanding "FA" means something like "THEN/THUS", so why do you think that the ablution itself is the salaa?
                      also if you hold the same logic then "yunuban" itself is "tahar".
                      Can you please explain how you see this?

                      btw welcome to the forum handshake

                      Salaam and may Allah increase us in knowledge,
                      Bender

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                        tlihawa
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                        Salaam tlihawa,

                        I don't get the red part.
                        56 "... "
                        as per my understanding "FA" means something like "THEN/THUS", so why do you think that the ablution itself is the salaa?
                        also if you hold the same logic then "yunuban" itself is "tahar".
                        Can you please explain how you see this?

                        btw welcome to the forum handshake

                        Salaam and may Allah increase us in knowledge,
                        Bender

                        Salam Bender,
                        yup, you might right. I'm not good enough in arabic, but I can see logical fallacy in my conclusion. But let's make it right by linking these following verses

                        =Commitment (Salla) to recite Al Quran=

                        1778 Uphold commitment at the sunset till the darkness of the night, and quran at dawn and the Qur'an at dawn; the Qur'an at dawn is witnessed.

                        = Dal-Lam-Kaf = rubbing, squeezing, pressing, decline, sinking, become red, set, incline downwards from the meridian (sun). The whole phrase "duluk-as-shams" defined as "sunset" by Lane.

                        1779 And from the night you shall reflect upon it additionally for yourself, perhaps your Lord would grant you a station that is praiseworthy.

                        Here, the commitment is to recite Al Quran.

                        The time frame here is match with the following verse

                        11114 And uphold commitment at the two ends of the day and the near part of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember.

                        So we have three part of the day. The dawn, the dusk, and the night, to recite Quraan.

                        =Purpose of Reading Quran=

                        2187 ...seek what God has written for you..

                        =Do and Don't=

                        Do
                        56 O you who believe, if you rise to commit (reciting quraan), then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles;

                        reason behind this

                        56 ....God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you <liyuahhirakum>..

                        caused by
                        5677 It is an honorable Qur'an.
                        5678 In a protected Book.
                        5679 None can grasp it except those purified <muaharna>

                        Dont's

                        Having sexual intercourse before recite Al Quran.

                        2196 ...If you are abstain from sexual intercourse <uh'sir'tum>, then it will be easier for the guidance <hadyi> ; and do not disturb your heads until you reach the guidance (to be focus).

                        if you do it then

                        56 ... and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe...

                        Same reason
                        56 ....God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you <liyuahhirakum>..

                        caused by
                        5677 It is an honorable Qur'an.
                        5678 In a protected Book.
                        5679 None can grasp it except those purified <muaharna>

                        So here we talk about the physical ablution to make it easier for the guidance. But I need your input to make it right, especially in arabic grammar in case I missed something or made logical fallacy. Thanks!

                        Peace..

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                          Does the last one really mean ablution?
                          Could it possibly be understood as " grasping the meaning ", and only those who have purified consciousness can?

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                            tlihawa
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                            Does the last one really mean ablution?
                            Could it possibly be understood as " grasping the meaning ", and only those who have purified consciousness can?

                            Yes, you can say that. There are so many verses talk about h r in that context. But I think both h r physically and mentally is required.

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                              Yes, you can say that. There are so many verses talk about h r in that context. But I think both h r physically and mentally is required.

                              So it's up to opinions huh...
                              well I think it's about mental purification, or simply we're ordered to purify ourselves for our health.

                              Read this if you want http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/22/49/

                              It's pretty good

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                                tlihawa
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                                So it's up to opinions huh...
                                well I think it's about mental purification, or simply we're ordered to purify ourselves for our health.

                                Read this if you want http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/22/49/

                                It's pretty good

                                Yup, it's up to opinions )

                                But you need to consider that both physical and mental purification do exist. And both of them required actions.
                                As you can see, that physical purification required ablution. And the mental purification required sadaqati.

                                9103 Take from their money a charity <sadaqatan> to purify them and develop them with it, and make commitment with them; your commitment is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

                                You could not eliminate the involvement of the 'actions' (I prefer to use this word instead of rituals )). You cannot get purified mentally before giving sadaqati or charity, and the ablution for the physical purification.

                                Both of this actions will end up with reward from God, the guidance.

                                But please be aware that the mental purification mentioning the Sadaqati, not Infaq.

                                You might be aware that Infaq is different than Sadaqati from the point of the recipients and the source of funding.

                                =The source of funding=

                                2219 ..And they ask you how much they are to spend (yunfiqna) , say "The excess." It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.

                                9103 Take from their money a charity <sadaqatan> to purify them and develop them with it, and make commitment with them; your commitment is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

                                After making the monthly budget, we shall know the excess amount of our money. This is what we called Infaq. It's a predictable expenses.

                                And the Sadaqatan is a little bit different, it used the word, "take", means that this expense could be not listed in our monthly budget. It could be unexpected costs, or in the other words, the money that we love.

                                You will got the context if you read the verses which talks about sadaqati.

                                =The Receipients=

                                960 Indeed, the charities <sadaqatul> are for the poor, and the needy, and those who work to collect them, and those whose hearts have been united, and to free the slaves, and those in debt, and in the cause of God, and the wayfarer. A duty from God, and God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

                                2215 They ask you what they should spend <yunfiqna> , say "What you spend out <anfaqtum> of goodness should go to your parents and the relatives and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer. And any good you do, God is fully aware of it."

                                So the recipients which are in common between sadaqati and infaq are only the needy and the wayfarer. So we must be wise enough to allocate our money between the recipients, to optimize the purpose of Infaq and Sadaqati.

                                peace..

                                PS I cannot open the link you gave me, probably bad internet connection on my side or their server down (
                                But thanks anyway Kaiokenred

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                                  My article was recently updated
                                  https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    Wakas,

                                    good work on the real meaning of Salat.

                                    Saad-Lam-Waw (slw). E.W. Lane's Arabic-English lexicon/dictionary gives the following possible meanings of the root

                                    prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnify, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached, to contact or to be in contact.

                                    Reading most of the verses, the word Salat could in a way mean,
                                    Proclaim, in favor of, publicly/openly,

                                    So I think, Aqimus Salat, was essential one for bringing people to the religion by not going astray, always by Salat ie.

                                    Proclamations, esp of good favorable words being delivered and this is what Aquimus Salat meant, esp it involves reading/teaching and listening.

                                    i think the Zakat part refers the acting part or demonstration one does based on the proclamations/words given.

                                    some of verses this gives clear understanding,

                                    33/56
                                    Angels and god giving favorable words for the messenger/leader, and people also should also do that with messenger and greet him while seeing him.

                                    19/56
                                    neglected doing the proclamations given and followed their own hidden desires.

                                    9/5
                                    if they repent and establish the proclamations .. then...

                                    3/39
                                    here i think it means, when Zechariah was standing waiting for the proclamation

                                    4/103
                                    An outside session where the leader giving his proclamations to people, should be in groups and protected.
                                    4/104
                                    If stopped attending/doing this session due to some issues, then remember God while standing sitting or lying and then come/do later when in good condition,
                                    attending this is fixed at specified terms/time intervals.

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                                      Wakas,

                                      good work on the real meaning of Salat.

                                      Reading most of the verses, the word Salat could in a way mean,
                                      Proclaim, in favor of, publicly/openly,

                                      So I think, Aqimus Salat, was essential one for bringing people to the religion by not going astray, always by Salat ie.

                                      Proclamations, esp of good favorable words being delivered and this is what Aquimus Salat meant, esp it involves reading/teaching and listening.

                                      i think the Zakat part refers the acting part or demonstration one does based on the proclamations/words given.

                                      some of verses this gives clear understanding,

                                      33/56
                                      Angels and god giving favorable words for the messenger/leader, and people also should also do that with messenger and greet him while seeing him.

                                      19/56
                                      neglected doing the proclamations given and followed their own hidden desires.

                                      9/5
                                      if they repent and establish the proclamations .. then...

                                      3/39
                                      here i think it means, when Zechariah was standing waiting for the proclamation

                                      4/103
                                      An outside session where the leader giving his proclamations to people, should be in groups and protected.
                                      4/104
                                      If stopped attending/doing this session due to some issues, then remember God while standing sitting or lying and then come/do later when in good condition,
                                      attending this is fixed at specified terms/time intervals.

                                      I am happy to hear what you say. If you are honest and allow Allah to guide you, He will guide you fully with time. Be patient and be unbiased but approach Allah alone.

                                      Here are my understanding of Salat.

                                      2238-239 Sustain upon the interactions (al salawat) and the astuteness/sharpness (al wasat) of the interaction (al salawat) and, uphold to Allah/the Savior consistently; While that, you bothered then delve/research or endeavor upon, then when you assured so, concentrate of Allah/the Savior as what He revealed you what not you were realizing.

                                      ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ = INTERACTION, الصَّلَوَاتِ = INTERACTIONS, الصَّلَاةَ = CONNECTION, صَلَاتِ = CONNECTIONS … and verb forms are connect / interact.

                                      Interaction typically requires some form of connection, whether it’s physical, spiritual, or contextual. The nature of that connection may vary, but it serves as the foundation for interaction to occur. Without any connection at all—physical, spiritual, or otherwise—interaction would likely be impossible, as there would be no shared medium or context to facilitate it.

                                      INTERACTIONS/sala pave deep inroads to PURITY/Zakah (spiritual) and without interactions one cannot purify oneself. life should have interactions of any sort to recognize who he is..

                                      Note These INTERACTIONs could be any sort. be it with Allah or Quran or with people or family or nature etc..

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