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MY SALAT ARTICLE!!

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Salat & Zakat
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    JavaLatte
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    Glad that somebody reminded/told you about that, @MoF.

    56 does not have anything to do with ablution.

    I think you're the person who has acrobatic interpretation for that verse.

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      56 does not have anything to do with ablution.

      Quite startling. It increasingly seems like you are inventing a new language.

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        Wakas
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        see article http//www.mypercept.co.uk/slw.htm.
        Then ablutions as they are intended today make no sense related to Salat ( meant as striving toward God through the study of the Quran or through the acquisition of knowledge trhough reading). You can't have both.
        So given MY OWN understanding of Salat, then ablutions GIVEN CURRENT TRANSLATIONS, may only refer to washing ourselves for cleanliness, but even in that sense it doesn't fit very well.

        Are you familiar with the fallacy of "false dichotomy / false dilemma"? It is one in which you state there are only two options, when in fact there are more than two options.

        Perhaps you need to re-read the article. Specifically

        To gain a better understanding of The System/Obligation, it is clear a better understanding of al quran would be required. That is why a regular/timed salat is given. In this regular/timed salat, reading / reflection / oration of al quran is prescribed. This can be done alone or in a group/community setting.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          Taro_Hiroshi
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          Peace Wakas and everyone,

          Perhaps you need to re-read the article. Specifically

          To gain a better understanding of The System/Obligation, it is clear a better understanding of al quran would be required. That is why a regular/timed salat is given. In this regular/timed salat, reading / reflection / oration of al quran is prescribed. This can be done alone or in a group/community setting.

          It seems that the key to Quranic Salat is the part in bold from the paragraph in your article. And I agree that the Quranic Salat can be done alone or in a group/community setting. It seems like a good article, by the way. I am planning to read it in the future. Wakas, I have a few questions. Did you post your article on the website recently? Is it new? Or is it an old article?

          It seems that the Quranic Salat is completely different than the Sunni/Shia Salat. Some people think that Salat must mean physical/ritual prayer since the Quran tells us to do Salat in a monotone voice. But this argument holds no weight. Because we can also use a monotone voice while reading the Quran (see this post). Therefore it is obvious/clear that one can do Salat with a monotone voice without having to do physical/ritual prayer. For example, one can do Salat with a monotone voice, while reading the Quran. When it comes to regular/timed Salat, there is evidence in verse 2458 that there are 2 daily Salat in the Quran.

          The Quran mentions 2 daily Salat (in verse 245

          1. Salat Al Fajr (dawn/morning).
          2. Salat Al Isha (dusk/night).

          To this date, I haven't seen anyone be able to disprove the notion that there are 2 daily Salat in verse 2458. Perhaps it's because it's impossible to disprove Quranic evidence regarding Salat. Who can disprove Quranic evidence regarding Salat? The answer to that question is the following "NO ONE."

          In my view, there is irrefutable and undeniable evidence that there are 2 daily Salat in verse 2458. Also, there is a verse in the Quran which suggests that Salat is a lost practice/ritual. In verse 1959, the Quran suggests that the messengers of God and the guided ones among their people, used to do Salat in the right way (in the past), but then generations came after them who lost the Salat and followed their desires.

          Quran 1958-59 Those are the ones whom God has blessed from among the prophets from the progeny of Adam, and those We carried with Noah, and from the progeny of Abraham and Israel, and from whom We have guided and chosen. When the revelations of the Almighty are recited to them, they fall down prostrating, and in tears. Then, generations came after them who lost the Salat, and followed desires. They will find their consequences.

          How do people follow their desires? Perhaps the answer to that question is the following They do it by following non-quranic/extra quranic teachings that they attribute to islam. A person who does 5 daily ritual/physical prayers, and claim that the Quran has told him/her to do it, might be following his/her desires. Because it seems that there are no verses in the Quran which tells us to do physical/ritual prayers. And it seems that there are no verses in the Quran which tells us to do Salat 5 times a day. As mentioned earlier, there is evidence in verse 2458 that there are 2 daily Salat in the Quran. And until now, no one has been able to disprove the notion that there are 2 daily Salat in verse 2458. In my view, the opposite of following ones desires, is to follow revelations (the words of God). And I believe that the Quran contains revelations (the words of God).

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Every person that has attempted to make this verse not about ablution has been forced to throw logic, Quranic grammar and cross-reference, Classical Arabic dictionaries in the bin, making their claims unverifiable, therefore baseless.

            That is strange. I performed my deciphering work in close conjunction with Classical Arabic dictionaries, and that revealed nothing even remotely close to any ablution. There was talk about cleansing in it, but it was not that kind of "cleansing".

            Be safe
            Amenuel

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              Man_of_Faith
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              Quite startling. It increasingly seems like you are inventing a new language.

              Not at all. However, your friends that you follow like sheep invented a "new language". I am finding out what that poor scripture actually says, which is not a lot of Pagan religious nonsense.

              Be safe
              Amenuel

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Glad that somebody reminded/told you about that, @MoF.

                I think you're the person who has acrobatic interpretation for that verse.

                Not at all. See the previous post.

                Why would the most mighty power in existence order some lowly hedonistic cleaning ritual?

                Be safe
                Amenuel

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                  JavaLatte
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                  The ablution decreed in the Quran is not lowly.

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                    Wakas
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                    peace TH,

                    Did you post your article on the website recently? Is it new? Or is it an old article?

                    It is relatively old, 10+ years old
                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15550.0

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      Taro_Hiroshi
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                      Peace Wakas,

                      It is relatively old, 10+ years old
                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15550.0

                      Thank you for answering my question. And thank you for the link to all the articles. I will check out all of the articles in due time.

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