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    Salam to all.

    I have added some new verses with SALAT and I will GW add more soon adn post them for all.
    ........
    This is a text about SALAT. It is not purely my own work but rather a result of the blessed sharing of knowledge and ideas and thoughts. We ask God to increase our knowledge to help us keep on the way till we meet with Him

    In 1184,85 we read about a messenger by the name Shuaib, sent to his people with the following

    1. To serve God alone (a3budul lah)
    2. Not to give short measure to weight no matter how it seems to cause prosperity. Its final result is terrible.
    3. Not to withhold from the people the things which are their due.
    4. Not to commit evil in the land ending with mischief on it.

    The same story is repeated in 26176-190.

    Their reaction to this which is mentioned in 1187, says
    "Ya shuaib, a salawatuka tamuruka an natruka ma ya3budu aba~ana aw an naf3ala fi amwalina ma nashaa/ O shua`ib do your salawat command you that we LEAVE WHAT OUR FATHERS SERVED, and that WE DO WITH OUR PROPERTIES WHAT WE WANT.

    Understanding this word (salawat) as a ritual prayer would, with no doubt, cause confusion and would make this passage very unclear.

    As this was revealed to the Arabs at the time of the messenger, it is impossible to think that they were confused and did not know what "salawat" is?

    So, what is the problem? What does this word really mean in Arabic?

    Before having to answer this, let us go and have a look at 911,12. The first part of this chapter (9) and good part of the previous chapter deals with a specific group of people who disbelieved. They had an oath with the believers. We understand that, while they were on an oath with the believers, they mocked to expel the messenger and started a campaign against him (913, 830)

    Those people were given a period of time to re-think, although their position is quite clear.

    " But if they repent and wa aqamus salata wa atuz zakata then they are your brothers in Deen (system) Thus do We explain the signs in detail to those who understand." 911

    "but if they violate their oath after their covenant and attack your Deen,,- fight the chiefs of disbelieve/rejection as they respect no oaths that they may be restrained." 912

    We see that in 911/12 violating the oath and covenant stands opposite to iqamatus salat. So what is salat?

    More verses before we go back to those at the begining.

    The first verse with the word SALAT (salwat) that we meet in the Book when we start reading from the beginning appears in verse 23 which is by all means related to the previous verse 22. Let us have a look.

    "That is the Book, no doubt in it, guidance for those who ARE AWARE/FEAR GOD!

    23, Who believe in the unseen, and yuqimoona salata/maintain the pledge/commitment (remain committed to God), and of what We give them they spend.

    Let us have a look into another verse.

    1440, O, My lord, make me a maintainer of the pledge/commitment (committed to God), and of my off-spring, my Lord and accept my call/prayer.

    Ibrahem was asking His Lord to help him keep the Pledge, that is, to remain committed to Him.

    Some more verses;

    5106 O you who have believed, an evidence among you, when death approaches when making bequest,- two just men FROM AMONG YOU or two from other than you if you are journeying through the earth, and the chance of the death befalls you, you hold them after pledging, so they swear by God, if you doubt, that they are not taking for it a price, even if it is a close relative and we are not hiding the evidence we owe to God and if we do, then we shall be sinners.

    See up to 5108.

    Let us ponder over the following two verses carefully.

    671, Say Shall we call on others beside God, things that can do us neither good nor harm and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from God? Like one whom the satans have made into a fool, wondering bewildered through the earth his friends calling come to us, (vainly) guiding him to the path. Say Gods guidance is the true guidance and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds.

    672, And to remain committed (to maintain commitment), to fear Him, it is He to Whom we shall all return.

    The idea followed from the previous verse suggests that, we remain committed, following God closely after we have submitted.

    6162 Say My pledge (commitment) my service of sacrifice, my life and death are to the Lord of worlds.

    2441, See you not that all that in the heavens and on the earth celebrates the praises of God, and the birds outspread. Each knows its commitment and its praises and God is aware of what they do.

    Each of the Gods creatures in the heavens and on the earth knows its prescribed commitment within the creation and God is aware of that.

    4238, And those who have responded to their Lord and maintain commitment (remain committed) and their affair is mutually consulted among themselves and who spend from which we have bestowed on them.

    SALAT has the basic meaning COMMITMENT, PLEDGE. Many other meanings are possible and are derived from this one such as TIE, ATTACHMENT, SUPPORT, FOLLOW CLOSE, and etc.

    One committed to an idea is its follower and supporter. The same is attached to the idea.

    This is simply the meaning of the word.

    Its usage may vary and it could be used to indicate a certain commitment as well as pointing to commitment in general just as many other words. Examples from the Book are many.

    Now let us go beck to the verse from the beginning of this text.

    In 1184-87, Shuaib was offering his people another direction in life (other than the inherited) with the One True God on it to be followed. These new commitments are causing trouble to their whole system of life.

    They cried" O Shuaib, do your commitments (this new set of action and behaviour) command you that we leave off what our fathers served and that we leave off doing what we like with our property"?
    Now let us go back and check verses 911 and 912. We see that it is; -if they maintain commitment and evolve and not violate their oath and covenant.

    In 835 we read about their commitment to destroy/damage (mukaa) and to turn people away from the Path (tasdiya) (check 834, and 836).

    Other related meanings

    To follow close (as if feared to lose the followed just as the little kid attached to his mother in the market place, upholding part of her cloth in fear of losing her) represents one of the meanings derived from commitment/salat. One committed to a specific cause is its follower.

    Support carries the notion of attachment, link and connection, which are all possible meanings of this word. This defines its significance.

    A follower of a particular belief is its supporter as well.

    More analysis of some verses with the word SALAT and other related verses

    2945 "Recite what has been revealed to you from/of the Book and aqimis salat, for salat restrains/prevents from shameful and evil deeds (fahshaa and munkar) and keeping God in mind is greater and God knows what you do."

    Here we read that SALAT RESTRAINS /PREVENTS FROM fahisha and munkar (shameful and evil deeds) Upholding commitments and/or Following God closely on the Path or observing His limits prevents from shameful and evil deed. Fulfilling a specific ritual at certain times does not prevent from shameful deeds and evil.

    Millions who have been observing their regular prayers, have been also committing gross sins and violations of basic orders.

    It is being committed and observing commitments that prevents from the shameful deeds and evil as observing God`s limits and following Him closely stands opposite to following Satans footsteps

    2421 "O you who have believed, follow not Satans footsteps; and he who follows Satans footsteps (let them know) that he commands SHAMEFUL AND EVIL DEEDS (fahisha and munkar) and were it not for God`s grace and mercy, He would not have purified any of you (ma zak ka) but God purifies who wills and God hears and knows everything."
    As we can see the above verse 2421 stands opposite to 2945.

    Following Satan leads to shameful and evil deeds.
    Following God closely (being committed) prevents from shameful and evil deeds.

    The other assertion in 2945 states; " wala dhikrul lahi akbar.." which I translate as keeping God on mind is greater.

    Keeping God on mind is greater as following close and observing His limits (as means) leads to Keeping God on mind.

    Just to remind that the concept and meaning of DHIKRUL LAH is greater that lip service or repeated Words.

    Dhikrul alah is process that keeps going on as long as we live.

    So KEEPING GOD IN MIND is the Goal/Aim for SALAT which is the means here.

    In the same lane of this understanding stands the following pair of verses

    1959 "But after them followed a posterity who lost SALAT and followed after lusts, they will surely to face destruction."

    1960 "Except whose who repent and believe and work righteousness; for these will enter the Garden and will not be wronged in the least."

    And;

    7169 "But after them followed a posterity that inherited the Book, but they chose the vanities of this world, saying" we will be forgiven." And if similar vanity came their way they would again seize them. Was not the covenant of the Book taken from them that they say not about God but the Truth and study what is in the Book? But best for whose who fear God is the home of the hereafter. Will you not understand?

    7170 "And those who uphold the Book and maintain commitment/obligation we shall not cause the reward of the righteous to perish."

    In the first set (1959,60) we read about a following of lusts.

    The corresponding idea in 7169 to Following of lusts is represented in "they chose the vanities of this world" and their persistence on this "and if a similar vanity came their way they would again seize it".
    It is important to notice that these people who chose the vanities of this world actually inherited the Book. But it obvious that they did not choose to uphold it and remain committed to it. The next verse (7170) confirms this as it speaks about those who uphold the Book and remain committed as opposite to those mentioned in the previous verse (7169) who, although inherited the Book, they chose the vanities of this world.
    So, following Satan`s steps is no good as he (Satan) commands shameful and evil deeds (2421). This results in the losing of SALAT and the following of lusts (1959) and determines the choosing of the vanities of this world.

    But, following God closely, that is being committed to that course of life (iqamatus salat) prevents from shameful and evil deeds (2945).

    Read 2168, 169, 170

    God commands what is good. Ponder over the following verses

    1690, "Verily, God commands justice, the doing of good (righteousness) and giving to kith and kin, and He forbids shameful and evil deeds (yanha anil fahsha` wal munkar ) and injustice; He instructs you that you may keep (this) in mind."

    1991, "And fulfil the covenant of God when you make the covenant and break not your oaths after you have confirmed them, when you have made God your surety; for God knows all that you do."

    Here we have another set of verses to give more insight to the word salat;

    3356 "Verily, God and His forces (malaika) support/commit to the announcer/prophet. O you, who have believed, support/ commit to him and surrender in full measure."

    This is the verse which gives credit, according to the traditional understanding, to the well established concept that we have to do SALAT (ritual prayer???) on the prophet repeating the phrase SALA ALLAHU ALEYHI WASALAM.

    It is obvious that the verse speaks about ACTION and not a LIP SERVICE. It says "God and His forces yusaloona alan nabiy!?" God and his forces do not keep saying SALALAHU ALA NABIY and ask the believers to do the same. God and His forces support the prophet a well as those who believed with him;

    "He it is Who supports/commits to you and His forces in order to bring you out from darknesses into light; and He is full of mercy to the believers." 3343

    And He asked the believers to support the prophet in his mission, that is, to support God,s cause. (3356)

    This is the obvious and logical relation

    "O you who have believed, if you help (the cause of) God, He will help you and plant your feet firmly" 477

    See also 7157, 381, 940, 874 and many other verses throughout the Book.
    So, maintain SALAT, is to be COMMITTED, to FOLLOW CLOSELY, to be a SUPPORTER.

    3518 "Nor can a bearer of a burden bears another`s burden. If one heavily laden should call another to bear his load, not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other) even though he be nearly related. You can warn only those who FEAR THEIR LORD UNSEEN AND (WHO) REMAIN COMMITTED (MAINTAIN COMMITMENT) and whoever evolves himself do so for himself and to God is the return)

    There are other words in Arabic which are synonyms for the word Salat (as lizoom/iltizam), but I think that the significance of this word lays in the fact that it links many related ideas within God`s system and it carries the notion of movement (contra to stagnation), and of an alive relation between the follower and what is followed. The word iltizam does not carry the idea of movement. It is more appropriate in use as attachment.

    The relation between READING (quraan) and COMMITMENT (salat)We know that the Reading is the Book revealed to God`s messenger with the DUTY/OBLIGATION/COMMITMENT (2885) to reveal it to people as it was not a private communication (619).

    The fact that this aspect of the Book (Reading) is emphasized all over the Book and it is the one, with Which, it is most popular makes us think deeply on its significance.

    So, having this accent on Reading, repeated to us many times, we can clearly identify it as a book that is to be read on regular basis.

    In the following verses we will GW shed more light GW on this relation between commitment and the Reading (or reading as a commitment).

    17106, "and (it is) a Reading which we have divided (into parts) that you read it to men at intervals, we have sent it down at stages."

    2885, "Verily He who has ordained/made obliged the Reading on you will return you back to meeting. Say my Lord knows best who brings true guidance and who is manifest error."

    2791, "I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city who has made it forbidden and to Him belong all things and I have been commanded to be of those who submit. And to rehearse the Reading (atluwal quraan), and if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls and if any astray, say "I am only a warner."

    7204, "When the Reading (quraan) is read (quria) listen to it with attention, and hold your peace; that you may receive mercy."

    8421, "And when the Reading is read to them they do not submit (with their mind)

    619, "And this Reading has been revealed to me to warn you with it and to whom it may reach.."

    4126, "The unbelievers say - Do not listen to this Reading and talk at random in the midst (of its reading) that you may gain the upper hand.-"

    4629, " Behold, We turned towards you a company of Jinns to listen to the Reading and when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, -listen in silence- AND WHEN THE READING WAS OVER (fa lama qudiya) they returned to their people to warn them."

    From all these verses (and many similar ones) we see that the aspect READING of the Book has been emphasized. This is due to the fact that warning is through reading. Reading is the main method of its delivery to people.

    We can see from the above verses that the word is about an organized session(s) dedicated to Reading God`s Book as means of reminding people and delivering the message to them.

    Please pay attention to the words (falama qudiya/when it (the Reading) is over) which puts great accent on an organized session with a beginning and end.

    The phrase (lama qudiya/when it is finished/done/over) is mentioned in relation to SALAT in 4103, 6210.

    I personally believe that they are two sessions dedicated to this purpose (Reading). Mentioned by names, (salatul isha and salatul fajr). I believe verses 1778 and 11114 refer to this. (i have a whole txt on the timing somewhere..)

    The best connection to SALAT and READING

    SALATUL FAJR/ DAWN DUTY/COMMITMENT = QURANUL FAJR/ DAWN READING

    Add to this 17 106 up to 17110 where we read about having the moderate voice for Reading.

    So, these sessions for reading are simply a form of commitment (salat).

    So, SALAT as a COMMITMENT is simply used in this case to cover the sessions of READING as a commitment putting an emphasis on the fact that Reading is an obligation/commitment that has to be done.

    Just as when the word FAHISHA which means SIN can be used for ZINA which is literally ADULTERY to put an accent on the fact that adultery IS a great sin.

    Another important link between Reading and SALAT is the fact that for reading two words are used QARA? and TLW.
    Tilawat means to follow close/come after. When we read (do tilawat) we follow the sequence of ideas and notions presented in what is read.

    Peaec

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      Salam to all.

      I have added some new verses with SALAT and I will GW add more soon adn post them for all.
      ........
      This is a text about SALAT. It is not purely my own work but rather a result of the blessed sharing of knowledge and ideas and thoughts. We ask God to increase our knowledge to help us keep on the way till we meet with Him

      In 1184,85 we read about a messenger by the name Shuaib, sent to his people with the following

      1. To serve God alone (a3budul lah)
      2. Not to give short measure to weight no matter how it seems to cause prosperity. Its final result is terrible.
      3. Not to withhold from the people the things which are their due.
      4. Not to commit evil in the land ending with mischief on it.

      The same story is repeated in 26176-190.

      Their reaction to this which is mentioned in 1187, says
      "Ya shuaib, a salawatuka tamuruka an natruka ma ya3budu aba~ana aw an naf3ala fi amwalina ma nashaa/ O shua`ib do your salawat command you that we LEAVE WHAT OUR FATHERS SERVED, and that WE DO WITH OUR PROPERTIES WHAT WE WANT.

      Understanding this word (salawat) as a ritual prayer would, with no doubt, cause confusion and would make this passage very unclear.

      As this was revealed to the Arabs at the time of the messenger, it is impossible to think that they were confused and did not know what "salawat" is?

      So, what is the problem? What does this word really mean in Arabic?

      Before having to answer this, let us go and have a look at 911,12. The first part of this chapter (9) and good part of the previous chapter deals with a specific group of people who disbelieved. They had an oath with the believers. We understand that, while they were on an oath with the believers, they mocked to expel the messenger and started a campaign against him (913, 830)

      Those people were given a period of time to re-think, although their position is quite clear.

      " But if they repent and wa aqamus salata wa atuz zakata then they are your brothers in Deen (system) Thus do We explain the signs in detail to those who understand." 911

      "but if they violate their oath after their covenant and attack your Deen,,- fight the chiefs of disbelieve/rejection as they respect no oaths that they may be restrained." 912

      We see that in 911/12 violating the oath and covenant stands opposite to iqamatus salat. So what is salat?

      More verses before we go back to those at the begining.

      The first verse with the word SALAT (salwat) that we meet in the Book when we start reading from the beginning appears in verse 23 which is by all means related to the previous verse 22. Let us have a look.

      "That is the Book, no doubt in it, guidance for those who ARE AWARE/FEAR GOD!

      23, ?Who believe in the unseen, and yuqimoona salata/maintain the pledge/commitment (remain committed to God), and of what We give them they spend.?

      Let us have a look into another verse.

      1440, ?O, My lord, make me a maintainer of the pledge/commitment (committed to God), and of my off-spring, my Lord and accept my call/prayer.?

      Ibrahem was asking His Lord to help him keep the Pledge, that is, to remain committed to Him.

      Some more verses;

      5106 ? O you who have believed, an evidence among you, when death approaches when making bequest,- two just men FROM AMONG YOU or two from other than you if you are journeying through the earth, and the chance of the death befalls you, you hold them after pledging, so they swear by God, if you doubt, that they are not taking for it a price, even if it is a close relative and we are not hiding the evidence we owe to God and if we do, then we shall be sinners.?

      See up to 5108.

      Let us ponder over the following two verses carefully.

      671, ?Say ?Shall we call on others beside God, things that can do us neither good nor harm and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from God? Like one whom the satans have made into a fool, wondering bewildered through the earth his friends calling ?come to us?, (vainly) guiding him to the path.? Say ?God?s guidance is the true guidance and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds.

      672, ?And to remain committed (to maintain commitment), to fear Him, it is He to Whom we shall all return.?

      The idea followed from the previous verse suggests that, we remain committed, following God closely after we have submitted.

      6162 ?Say ?My pledge (commitment) my service of sacrifice, my life and death are to the Lord of worlds.?

      2441, ?See you not that all that in the heavens and on the earth celebrates the praises of God, and the birds outspread. Each knows its commitment and its praises and God is aware of what they do.?

      Each of the God?s creatures in the heavens and on the earth knows its prescribed commitment within the creation and God is aware of that.

      4238, ?And those who have responded to their Lord and maintain commitment (remain committed) and their affair is mutually consulted among themselves and who spend from which we have bestowed on them.?

      SALAT has the basic meaning COMMITMENT, PLEDGE. Many other meanings are possible and are derived from this one such as TIE, ATTACHMENT, SUPPORT, FOLLOW CLOSE, and ?etc.

      One committed to an idea is its follower and supporter. The same is attached to the idea.

      This is simply the meaning of the word.

      Its usage may vary and it could be used to indicate a certain commitment as well as pointing to commitment in general just as many other words. Examples from the Book are many.

      Now let us go beck to the verse from the beginning of this text.

      In 1184-87, Shuaib was offering his people another direction in life (other than the inherited) with the One True God on it to be followed. These new commitments are causing trouble to their whole system of life.

      They cried" O Shuaib, do your commitments (this new set of action and behaviour) command you that we leave off what our fathers served and that we leave off doing what we like with our property"?
      Now let us go back and check verses 911 and 912. We see that it is; -if they maintain commitment and evolve and not violate their oath and covenant.

      In 835 we read about their commitment to destroy/damage (mukaa) and to turn people away from the Path (tasdiya) (check 834, and 836).

      Other related meanings

      To follow close (as if feared to lose the followed just as the little kid attached to his mother in the market place, upholding part of her cloth in fear of losing her) represents one of the meanings derived from commitment/salat. One committed to a specific cause is its follower.

      Support carries the notion of attachment, link and connection, which are all possible meanings of this word. This defines its significance.

      A follower of a particular belief is its supporter as well.

      More analysis of some verses with the word SALAT and other related verses

      2945 "Recite what has been revealed to you from/of the Book and aqimis salat, for salat restrains/prevents from shameful and evil deeds (fahshaa and munkar) and keeping God in mind is greater and God knows what you do."

      Here we read that SALAT RESTRAINS /PREVENTS FROM fahisha and munkar (shameful and evil deeds) Upholding commitments and/or Following God closely on the Path or observing His limits prevents from shameful and evil deed. Fulfilling a specific ritual at certain times does not prevent from shameful deeds and evil.

      Millions who have been observing their regular prayers, have been also committing gross sins and violations of basic orders.

      It is being committed and observing commitments that prevents from the shameful deeds and evil as observing God`s limits and following Him closely stands opposite to following Satan?s footsteps

      2421 "O you who have believed, follow not Satans footsteps; and he who follows Satans footsteps (let them know) that he commands SHAMEFUL AND EVIL DEEDS (fahisha and munkar) and were it not for God`s grace and mercy, He would not have purified any of you (ma zak ka) but God purifies who wills and God hears and knows everything."
      As we can see the above verse 2421 stands opposite to 2945.

      Following Satan leads to shameful and evil deeds.
      Following God closely (being committed) prevents from shameful and evil deeds.

      The other assertion in 2945 states; " wala dhikrul lahi akbar.." which I translate as keeping God on mind is greater.

      Keeping God on mind is greater as following close and observing His limits (as means) leads to Keeping God on mind.

      Just to remind that the concept and meaning of DHIKRUL LAH is greater that lip service or repeated Words.

      Dhikrul alah is process that keeps going on as long as we live.

      So KEEPING GOD IN MIND is the Goal/Aim for SALAT which is the means here.

      In the same lane of this understanding stands the following pair of verses

      1959 "But after them followed a posterity who lost SALAT and followed after lusts, they will surely to face destruction."

      1960 "Except whose who repent and believe and work righteousness; for these will enter the Garden and will not be wronged in the least."

      And;

      7169 "But after them followed a posterity that inherited the Book, but they chose the vanities of this world, saying" we will be forgiven." And if similar vanity came their way they would again seize them. Was not the covenant of the Book taken from them that they say not about God but the Truth and study what is in the Book? But best for whose who fear God is the home of the hereafter. Will you not understand?

      7170 "And those who uphold the Book and maintain commitment/obligation we shall not cause the reward of the righteous to perish."

      In the first set (1959,60) we read about a following of lusts.

      The corresponding idea in 7169 to Following of lusts is represented in "they chose the vanities of this world" and their persistence on this "and if a similar vanity came their way they would again seize it".
      It is important to notice that these people who chose the vanities of this world actually inherited the Book. But it obvious that they did not choose to uphold it and remain committed to it. The next verse (7170) confirms this as it speaks about those who uphold the Book and remain committed as opposite to those mentioned in the previous verse (7169) who, although inherited the Book, they chose the vanities of this world.
      So, following Satan`s steps is no good as he (Satan) commands shameful and evil deeds (2421). This results in the losing of SALAT and the following of lusts (1959) and determines the choosing of the vanities of this world.

      But, following God closely, that is being committed to that course of life (iqamatus salat) prevents from shameful and evil deeds (2945).

      Read 2168, 169, 170

      God commands what is good. Ponder over the following verses

      1690, "Verily, God commands justice, the doing of good (righteousness) and giving to kith and kin, and He forbids shameful and evil deeds (yanha anil fahsha` wal munkar ) and injustice; He instructs you that you may keep (this) in mind."

      1991, "And fulfil the covenant of God when you make the covenant and break not your oaths after you have confirmed them, when you have made God your surety; for God knows all that you do."

      Here we have another set of verses to give more insight to the word salat;

      3356 "Verily, God and His forces (malaika) support/commit to the announcer/prophet. O you, who have believed, support/ commit to him and surrender in full measure."

      This is the verse which gives credit, according to the traditional understanding, to the well established concept that we have to do SALAT (ritual prayer???) on the prophet repeating the phrase SALA ALLAHU ALEYHI WASALAM.

      It is obvious that the verse speaks about ACTION and not a LIP SERVICE. It says "God and His forces yusaloona alan nabiy!?" God and his forces do not keep saying SALALAHU ALA NABIY and ask the believers to do the same. God and His forces support the prophet a well as those who believed with him;

      "He it is Who supports/commits to you and His forces in order to bring you out from darknesses into light; and He is full of mercy to the believers." 3343

      And He asked the believers to support the prophet in his mission, that is, to support God,s cause. (3356)

      This is the obvious and logical relation

      "O you who have believed, if you help (the cause of) God, He will help you and plant your feet firmly" 477

      See also 7157, 381, 940, 874 and many other verses throughout the Book.
      So, maintain SALAT, is to be COMMITTED, to FOLLOW CLOSELY, to be a SUPPORTER.

      3518 "Nor can a bearer of a burden bears another`s burden. If one heavily laden should call another to bear his load, not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other) even though he be nearly related. You can warn only those who FEAR THEIR LORD UNSEEN AND (WHO) REMAIN COMMITTED (MAINTAIN COMMITMENT) and whoever evolves himself do so for himself and to God is the return)

      There are other words in Arabic which are synonyms for the word Salat (as lizoom/iltizam), but I think that the significance of this word lays in the fact that it links many related ideas within God`s system and it carries the notion of movement (contra to stagnation), and of an alive relation between the follower and what is followed. The word iltizam does not carry the idea of movement. It is more appropriate in use as attachment.

      The relation between READING (quraan) and COMMITMENT (salat)We know that the Reading is the Book revealed to God`s messenger with the DUTY/OBLIGATION/COMMITMENT (2885) to reveal it to people as it was not a private communication (619).

      The fact that this aspect of the Book (Reading) is emphasized all over the Book and it is the one, with Which, it is most popular makes us think deeply on its significance.

      So, having this accent on Reading, repeated to us many times, we can clearly identify it as a book that is to be read on regular basis.

      In the following verses we will GW shed more light GW on this relation between commitment and the Reading (or reading as a commitment).

      17106, "and (it is) a Reading which we have divided (into parts) that you read it to men at intervals, we have sent it down at stages."

      2885, "Verily He who has ordained/made obliged the Reading on you will return you back to meeting. Say my Lord knows best who brings true guidance and who is manifest error."

      2791, "I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city who has made it forbidden and to Him belong all things and I have been commanded to be of those who submit. And to rehearse the Reading (atluwal quraan), and if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls and if any astray, say "I am only a warner."

      7204, "When the Reading (quraan) is read (quria) listen to it with attention, and hold your peace; that you may receive mercy."

      8421, "And when the Reading is read to them they do not submit (with their mind)

      619, "And this Reading has been revealed to me to warn you with it and to whom it may reach.."

      4126, "The unbelievers say - Do not listen to this Reading and talk at random in the midst (of its reading) that you may gain the upper hand.-"

      4629, " Behold, We turned towards you a company of Jinns to listen to the Reading and when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, -listen in silence- AND WHEN THE READING WAS OVER (fa lama qudiya) they returned to their people to warn them."

      From all these verses (and many similar ones) we see that the aspect READING of the Book has been emphasized. This is due to the fact that warning is through reading. Reading is the main method of its delivery to people.

      We can see from the above verses that the word is about an organized session(s) dedicated to Reading God`s Book as means of reminding people and delivering the message to them.

      Please pay attention to the words (falama qudiya/when it (the Reading) is over) which puts great accent on an organized session with a beginning and end.

      The phrase (lama qudiya/when it is finished/done/over) is mentioned in relation to SALAT in 4103, 6210.

      I personally believe that they are two sessions dedicated to this purpose (Reading). Mentioned by names, (salatul isha and salatul fajr). I believe verses 1778 and 11114 refer to this. (i have a whole txt on the timing somewhere..)

      The best connection to SALAT and READING

      SALATUL FAJR/ DAWN DUTY/COMMITMENT = QURANUL FAJR/ DAWN READING

      Add to this 17 106 up to 17110 where we read about having the moderate voice for Reading.

      So, these sessions for reading are simply a form of commitment (salat).

      So, SALAT as a COMMITMENT is simply used in this case to cover the sessions of READING as a commitment putting an emphasis on the fact that Reading is an obligation/commitment that has to be done.

      Just as when the word FAHISHA which means SIN can be used for ZINA which is literally ADULTERY to put an accent on the fact that adultery IS a great sin.

      Another important link between Reading and SALAT is the fact that for reading two words are used QARA? and TLW.
      Tilawat means to follow close/come after. When we read (do tilawat) we follow the sequence of ideas and notions presented in what is read.

      Peaec

      Then we will become a new sact of cheristians peace good idea bravo

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        Hmm, another invention of prayer ritual has just been released. Meh, I choose to follow the earliest invention since I dont see any difference.

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          Dear mh, I also agree that we must focus on delivering the message of the Qur'an to the masses in an organized session. Most people during prophet time is illiterate, so the only way to convey the message is by reading it moderately in a congregation where people listen in silence and focus to it's meaning. I think this is the original purpose of the ritual prayer, if you are an Arab, then they have no problems, the steps of ritual prayers fits very well with this purpose, so start by reading the opening verse and then the leaders continue reciting Qur'an where people will listen and give attention. It is by this way that the prophet convey the whole message of the Qur'an and by repetition will make the believers in constant remembrance of the message, then they bow and prostrate as a sign that they have hear the message and humbly submit to it. We hear and we obey.

          The problems is for Non-Arabic speakers, the prayers session give no benefit to them since they understand nothing. One solution is for the Imam to translate the meaning of his Qur'anic recitation after the prayers because I thinks it is awkward to recite it in another language. As for the meaning of Solat, for now I thinks it's mean both, commitment and the prayers. I oppose some call from Aidid-Safar followers that deny the importance of ritual prayers, what we need now is some modification to the ritual prayers so that It can fit it original purpose, a prayer that can hinder us from shameful and evil deeds.

          I think we are coming closer to a satisfactory consensus regarding solat, the original ritual prayers is part of the solat but as Qur'an said we has lost it and transform it into a ritual void of meaning. I request some of you expert to come forward to contribute to this discussion and resolve this anomaly regarding Solat that have haunted Qur'an believers for quite a long time, as long as we cannot resolve this issue, our view will never reach the mainstream. I don't want to disturb my fellow friends & families peacefullness with something that create endless confusion and debate. If we can come to a satisfactory consensus, then we can spread Qur'anic teaching with confidence and without fear.

          Thanks.

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            Then we will become a new sact of cheristians peace good idea bravo

            Peace afridi

            i wonder how you came to that conclusion, mh basing his arguments on quran alone...
            U can sure come to another conclusion on the same basis, happens all the time.

            lk

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              Peace mh & elke

              Im Extremely sorry for what i said but may be u could excuse me at the time i write that message i was busy and missunder stood mh or you can say i did not read his article properly. giveup

              once again sorry all

              peace

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                afridi, don't give up PLEASE ! ;D

                peace
                lk

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                  peace upon you, i read this article in regards to salat Please see rhis article if you want more information regarding to quranic way of performing prayers. Peace http//www.quranaloneislam.net/salat

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                    peace upon you, i read this article in regards to salat Please see rhis article if you want more information regarding to quranic way of performing prayers. Peace http//www.quranaloneislam.net/salat

                    " simply ask any Muslim around the world who practices sal?t "What is it in Islam that refers either to 7 verses or suras that are known to be recited in sets of two, or sets of pairs?" " - very good argument...so in conclusion what the #$@&%*! are we doing here?
                    We should all just go back to elementary mosque school ("maktab" in my country) and relearn some basics and move on with our lives...
                    I am so tired (

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                      Salaam,

                      This is a very interesting interpretation. I have a feeling that you might be onto something. I do know that reading the quran is an obbligation and that we should do so every day, however when it comes to salat ( refered here as ritual prayer), I always felt that "scheduled times" for it was a bit weird. It takes out the naturality of it. What I mean is that being mindfull of God and thinking about him every day at every moment should be the salat and occasionally prostate WHEN WE FEEL like doing so. I was wondering how would you interpret the verse 56 about ablutions in light of your understanding of salaat?

                      Let me know I am very interested.
                      Thank you

                      That post by mh was written 12 years ago... not sure you'll get a reply

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                        Hello seddik88,

                        56 does not have anything to do with ablution. That is interpretation acrobatics by foul ancient clerics and scholars in order to "confirm" their sectarian doctrine.

                        Be safe
                        Amenuel

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                          56 does not have anything to do with ablution. That is interpretation acrobatics by foul ancient clerics and scholars in order to "confirm" their sectarian doctrine.

                          Another baseless claim by Man of Faith. Evidence please.

                          See rule 2 of forum rules
                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0

                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                            I know it is your interpretation of the rules that count, Wakas. I will be more careful.

                            Concerning 'evidence' I have discussed it previously. I do not share your understanding, if you claim that "it does have anything to do with ablution". I argue this is not a "baseless claim", but it is your judgment since you are a moderator/administrator here. Is this a warning?

                            Be safe
                            Amenuel

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                              It is not a "formal warning". We deliver this via PM using the term "formal warning". It is a reminder.

                              If you did discuss it elsewhere, please link me and I will review it, on the condition that any point of yours proven illogical/impractical/baseless/etc you will donate $10 to charity. Feel free to decline.

                              Every person that has attempted to make this verse not about ablution has been forced to throw logic, Quranic grammar and cross-reference, Classical Arabic dictionaries in the bin, making their claims unverifiable, therefore baseless.

                              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                Glad that somebody reminded/told you about that, @MoF.

                                56 does not have anything to do with ablution.

                                I think you're the person who has acrobatic interpretation for that verse.

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                                  56 does not have anything to do with ablution.

                                  Quite startling. It increasingly seems like you are inventing a new language.

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                                    see article http//www.mypercept.co.uk/slw.htm.
                                    Then ablutions as they are intended today make no sense related to Salat ( meant as striving toward God through the study of the Quran or through the acquisition of knowledge trhough reading). You can't have both.
                                    So given MY OWN understanding of Salat, then ablutions GIVEN CURRENT TRANSLATIONS, may only refer to washing ourselves for cleanliness, but even in that sense it doesn't fit very well.

                                    Are you familiar with the fallacy of "false dichotomy / false dilemma"? It is one in which you state there are only two options, when in fact there are more than two options.

                                    Perhaps you need to re-read the article. Specifically

                                    To gain a better understanding of The System/Obligation, it is clear a better understanding of al quran would be required. That is why a regular/timed salat is given. In this regular/timed salat, reading / reflection / oration of al quran is prescribed. This can be done alone or in a group/community setting.

                                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                      Peace Wakas and everyone,

                                      Perhaps you need to re-read the article. Specifically

                                      To gain a better understanding of The System/Obligation, it is clear a better understanding of al quran would be required. That is why a regular/timed salat is given. In this regular/timed salat, reading / reflection / oration of al quran is prescribed. This can be done alone or in a group/community setting.

                                      It seems that the key to Quranic Salat is the part in bold from the paragraph in your article. And I agree that the Quranic Salat can be done alone or in a group/community setting. It seems like a good article, by the way. I am planning to read it in the future. Wakas, I have a few questions. Did you post your article on the website recently? Is it new? Or is it an old article?

                                      It seems that the Quranic Salat is completely different than the Sunni/Shia Salat. Some people think that Salat must mean physical/ritual prayer since the Quran tells us to do Salat in a monotone voice. But this argument holds no weight. Because we can also use a monotone voice while reading the Quran (see this post). Therefore it is obvious/clear that one can do Salat with a monotone voice without having to do physical/ritual prayer. For example, one can do Salat with a monotone voice, while reading the Quran. When it comes to regular/timed Salat, there is evidence in verse 2458 that there are 2 daily Salat in the Quran.

                                      The Quran mentions 2 daily Salat (in verse 245

                                      1. Salat Al Fajr (dawn/morning).
                                      2. Salat Al Isha (dusk/night).

                                      To this date, I haven't seen anyone be able to disprove the notion that there are 2 daily Salat in verse 2458. Perhaps it's because it's impossible to disprove Quranic evidence regarding Salat. Who can disprove Quranic evidence regarding Salat? The answer to that question is the following "NO ONE."

                                      In my view, there is irrefutable and undeniable evidence that there are 2 daily Salat in verse 2458. Also, there is a verse in the Quran which suggests that Salat is a lost practice/ritual. In verse 1959, the Quran suggests that the messengers of God and the guided ones among their people, used to do Salat in the right way (in the past), but then generations came after them who lost the Salat and followed their desires.

                                      Quran 1958-59 Those are the ones whom God has blessed from among the prophets from the progeny of Adam, and those We carried with Noah, and from the progeny of Abraham and Israel, and from whom We have guided and chosen. When the revelations of the Almighty are recited to them, they fall down prostrating, and in tears. Then, generations came after them who lost the Salat, and followed desires. They will find their consequences.

                                      How do people follow their desires? Perhaps the answer to that question is the following They do it by following non-quranic/extra quranic teachings that they attribute to islam. A person who does 5 daily ritual/physical prayers, and claim that the Quran has told him/her to do it, might be following his/her desires. Because it seems that there are no verses in the Quran which tells us to do physical/ritual prayers. And it seems that there are no verses in the Quran which tells us to do Salat 5 times a day. As mentioned earlier, there is evidence in verse 2458 that there are 2 daily Salat in the Quran. And until now, no one has been able to disprove the notion that there are 2 daily Salat in verse 2458. In my view, the opposite of following ones desires, is to follow revelations (the words of God). And I believe that the Quran contains revelations (the words of God).

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                                        Every person that has attempted to make this verse not about ablution has been forced to throw logic, Quranic grammar and cross-reference, Classical Arabic dictionaries in the bin, making their claims unverifiable, therefore baseless.

                                        That is strange. I performed my deciphering work in close conjunction with Classical Arabic dictionaries, and that revealed nothing even remotely close to any ablution. There was talk about cleansing in it, but it was not that kind of "cleansing".

                                        Be safe
                                        Amenuel

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                                          Quite startling. It increasingly seems like you are inventing a new language.

                                          Not at all. However, your friends that you follow like sheep invented a "new language". I am finding out what that poor scripture actually says, which is not a lot of Pagan religious nonsense.

                                          Be safe
                                          Amenuel

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