Did the word Qur'an exist before the Glorious Qur'an
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Peace, unless we realise the proper root of the word based on The Concept of Jezm and Sukoon we will continue to go in circles like this.
There is a Jezm on Ra after Qaf with Dhamma, hence Teshdeed of Ra is not written. Jezm here indicates last letter of the word.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000027.pdf
Hence, QafRaRa becomes QafRa due Jezm meaning "established by someone with authority"
Alif with Medda and Nun with Fetha = "I"
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000148.pdf
See lane above for meaning of Aana = I
Hence meaning one "I established".
Badar Kanwar
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Badar Saahab and Sis Arnab
I do not think you are correct in your respective analyses. With the shaddah (which has magically disappeared right before a hamzah) for the supposed QRR root, or for the root QRN it would again have to contend with the hamzah, since the word reads Qur'aan.I contend that it is leading back to QRY, form which the work Iqra' is derived. Even if you were to take it from an Aramaic perspective (where a religious document would be called Quryaan) the Yaa turns into a glottal stop in Arabic to take into account the Faa-Oyn-Laam form FuOLaan...
This word is non-Classical Arabic IMO, meaning it is from before the time Arabic was standardized, and may very well have been naturalized into the spoken/wild/untamed/NOMADIC language (al-Arabiyyah) through Nabataean A close cousin of Assyrian Aramaic.
Regards,
maxqPeace, unless we realise the proper root of the word based on The Concept of Jezm and Sukoon we will continue to go in circles like this.
There is a Jezm on Ra after Qaf with Dhamma, hence Teshdeed of Ra is not written. Jezm here indicates last letter of the word.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000027.pdf
Hence, QafRaRa becomes QafRa due Jezm meaning "established by someone with authority"
Alif with Medda and Nun with Fetha = "I"
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000148.pdf
See lane above for meaning of Aana = I
Hence meaning one "I established".
Badar Kanwar
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When I have learned Arabic my understanding all along is that the sukoon is not there to signal the end of a word but to signal that there is no short vowel on the letter, which can hapen anywhere in the word.
Also indeed Qura'an is Q-R-hamzaalif, which is in no way the same as merely alif, since hamza represents a consonant sound and the alif is merely supporting it, so the root Q-R-R doesn't seem to be warranted.
Salaam
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Badar Saahab and Sis Arnab
I do not think you are correct in your respective analyses. With the shaddah (which has magically disappeared right before a hamzah) for the supposed QRR root, or for the root QRN it would again have to contend with the hamzah, since the word reads Qur'aan.Salam maxq,
There are no diacritics in the ancient written forms of the Quran that the world has in its possession.
I contend that it is leading back to QRY, form which the work Iqra' is derived. Even if you were to take it from an Aramaic perspective (where a religious document would be called Quryaan) the Yaa turns into a glottal stop in Arabic to take into account the Faa-Oyn-Laam form FuOLaan...
The root of the word is Q-R-A and the root has retained the same meaning through out the Semitic languages.
Salam,
Arnab -
Salam maxq,
There are no diacritics in the ancient written forms of the Quran that the world has in its possession.
Salam sis,
It has been a while since we've discussed on the forum.
I agree with you here, however there must have been some way of pronouncing words the way they were.The root of the word is Q-R-A and the root has retained the same meaning through out the Semitic languages.
Salam,
ArnabYes, I agree. No argument there. QRY/QRA is the same root from what I understand, hence I gave the example form of Quryaan from Aramaic. My argument was with regards to the grammatical operator which from a Classical (late Umayyad to para-Abbasid period) POV makes the word confusing, all the more reason to believe that this word is actually directly derived and imported from a liturgical language into a spoken language (much like many words from Arabic, Persian and Turkish were imported into Urdu that started as a spoken language 400-500 hundred years ago - since pre-Islamic Arabic was a semitic language, its was able to relate to the roots, whereas Urdu does not do this naturally since it is Indo-Iranian)...
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Maxq and Arnab, reason Hemza on Alif in
is changed to Medda is under poetic license. It is called changing Hezet el-Kata into a Hamzet el- wasl. Please see discussion from E.H Plamer's Arabic Grammar. Point being, in word there is a syllable/morpheme and Jezm indicating last letter followed by
http//books.google.com/books?id=gdHjvHF-E2kC&pg=PA377&dq=arabic+grammar+by+Edward+H+palmer#PPA376,M1Badar
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Quran did not create or added to the already exisitng Arabic language. It is says "Quran in your language, O Muhammad". Arabic is the language of the Messenger.
Quran certainly coined certain terms to explain the scientific facts taking recourse to the Roots and the perceptions infolded in those Roots. For vocal cord, Quran used "Hablil Warid" the perception infolded in the Roots of these two words was the most precise to explain the vocal cord. Similarly it uses "Alrehae lewaqeh" it was most precise and open/naked to describe the phenomenon carried out by these winds.
I appreciate the vastness of the Arabic at that point of time from the word which they employed to refer to paper. The concept infolded in this Root apparently does not seem to transcribe paper; but the method adopted for last 2500 years for the manufacture of paper; and shall remain so; exactly corresponds to the concept of the Root.
This shows Arabs not only used paper but even knew its technology of manufacturing though they did not manufacture themselves. -
Assalaam Alaikum...
Quran existed PRIOR to Humans development.....as spiritual revelation
? (Allah) Most Gracious!
? It is He who has taught AL-QURAN.
? He has created man.
? He taught him the intelligent and distinct speech.Jinn the hidden/spiritual aspect of our development and construction was created initally PRIOR to our physical construct....
Say. It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!
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Peace Soof,
There were other quran/qurans (reading/readings) at the same time of al-quran which implies they existed before also. This is proved by al-quran
619 Say ?Which is the greatest testimony?? Say ?God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur?an that I may warn you with it and whomever it reaches, that you bear witness that along with God are other gods!? Say ?I do not bear witness!? Say ?He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you set up!?
1015 And when Our clear revelations are recited to them, those who do not wish to meet Us said ?Bring a Qur?an other than this, or change it!? Say ?It is not for me to change it of my own accord, I merely follow what is inspired to me. I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the retribution of a great day!?
1037 This Qur?an could not have been produced without God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and to give detail to the Scripture in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
123 We narrate to you the best stories through what We have inspired to you in this Qur?an; and before it you were of those who were unaware.
179 This Qur?an guides to that which is more upright, and it gives glad tidings to the believers who do good work that they will have a bountiful reward.
1741 And We have clarified in this Qur?an so they may remember, but it only increases their aversion!
1788 Say ?If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Qur?an like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another.?
1789 And We have clarified to the people in this Qur?an from every example, but most people refuse to be anything but a rejecter!1854 And We have clarified in this Qur?an for the people from every example; but mankind was always most argumentative.
2530 And the messenger said ?My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur?an.?
2776 This Qur?an narrates to the Children of Israel most of that which they are in dispute over.
3058 And We have put forth for the people in this Qur?an of every example. And if you come to them with a sign, those who rejected will say ?You are bringing falsehood!?
3431 And those who rejected have said ?We will not believe in this Qur?an, nor in what is already with him.? And if you could but see these transgressors when they stand before their Lord, how they will accuse one another back and forth. Those who were weak will say to those who were mighty ?If it were not for you, we would have been believers!?
3927 And We have put forth for the people in this Qur?an from every example, that they may take heed.
4126 And those who rejected said ?Do not listen to this Qur?an and talk over it that you may succeed.?
4331 And they said ?If only this Qur?an was sent down to a great man from the two towns!?
5921 Had We sent down this Qur?an to a mountain, you would have seen it trembling, crumbling, out of reverence for God. And such are the examples We put forth for the people, that they may reflect.
"This qur'an" and "a qur'an like this" clearly implies there were other qur'an/qur'ans too at the same time and/or before al-qur'an.
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Soof like word Al-qur'an is not one word. It is our lack of understanding with language that we have accepted it as one word. Hence, also try to apply wrong roots as well to justify our ignorance. It is a sentence "The One I established" and again not a proper noun for the Al-Kitab= "The bound book of law".
Badar