Which system is better- Quranic or British?
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Salaams Br's,
In Britain the widows, the orphans, the poor in general are taken care of apart from a lot of other things like education health care emergency services e.t.c whether people like it or not , whereas the quran emphasizes people to do all that willingly - but if they don't do it there is no compulsion- I think.
So what system would you want for your kids and all?
I would go for the system in England......Anyday.
God Bless Us All.
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Peace
A true Islamic state would practice all the things you mentioned. There is compulsion for believers to do all you mentioned but it is up to the state to put into effect these characteristics of God's system. Just as is it is up to England to practice good health care, charity etc. There is no compulsion in the British state either.
The same "system in England" you are talking about, is the same system that has collaborated in a fallacy called the Iraq War. They are bringing suffering on a harmless country for the sake of wealth and control. The same system in England you are talking about have got several African countries in severe debt with their International Banks and THEN have the nerve to give them "charitable donations". The same system in England is the same one that had Stop and Search laws, the BNP, the NF, and a racist Buffoon who isn't even from London as the Mayor of London. So no I would choose the system of equality, the system of charity, the system of intelligence and self defence, the system of God.
Peace
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The truth of the matter is their is no true Islamic state that uses the Qur'an in all affairs and places its faith in it above the Hadith. There may have been empires before that did, around the time of the Prophet, but nowadays falsehood has crept in and corrupted Islamic countries such that they practice their own systems and are a law unto themselves.
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Hi Br,
There is compulsion for believers to do all you mentioned
Where(i think i have missed it)- can you point it out please Br.
Thanks.
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england is a nanny state, the quranic system IMO is voluntary socialism.
the bank of england is controlled by the Rothschild family, these ba$ta?d$ have been ruining our economy ever since they took control of this country. In japan the government prints the money and they charge NO INTEREST on loans, now that is what you call an islamic system, japan has a 90% middle class population because of their islamic-style economic system, therefore there is no need for a nanny state. In a country where most of the population is relatively well off there are always going to be people that will donate to the less well off, even if its just to massage their ego , so therefore no need for a nanny state.
british education is at a very poor quality, I read in an AOL news article that its the worst in the west. private schools are better because the teachers will have to answer to the parents if they do a crap job, but in a public school funded by the government many teachers don't give a damn. Also in public schools funded by the government you are fed a steady diet of state propaganda. My cousins are studying the official version of 9/11 in their history class, and a steady diet of the-muslims-hate-us-because-of-our-freedom-therefore-we-must-bomb-their-countries. The Independent reported that the government wants to give 14-16 year old school students some military training.
I'm all for freedom of speech, let the BNP do what they want (as long as its legal).
I would go for the system in England......Anyday.
we may have free healthcare and free education but that does not make up for the fact that we are in 2 blatently immoral wars (afghanistan and iraq), our government also wants to send us to Iran based on a hoax, we support despots around the world, we support the worlds last apartheid state (israel) and we have an immoral banking system that charges interest. We are losing our civil liberties on this war on terror sanity.
If we didn't have free health care or free education we would just have less tax.
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Peace,
Respectfully.Sinc ei'v ebeen in UK for the past 15 months, i can assure you that England is truly one of the best countries when it comes to tkaing care of old people, widows, children and the poor. Nevertheless, i've seen many poor people, homeless and women who are forced into prostituition. They are not taken care of because of one thing immigration.
UK is occasionally too good for some emigrants who come to UK to abuse the system and break the laws and the rules and take advantage.
Police in Uk is okay but they should be more strict and more firm when it comes to the bad guys and installing peace and justcie on the streets. Police in San Francisco - for example - and Leicester, UK, are different as a night and a day.
UK knows how to create work and therefore eliminates unemployment, they offer easier system on the people and the only problem that emerges is with the people who come from outside the UK and they take advantage, abuse the law and don't play along.
God knows best.
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Hi Br?s,
Compulsion
Is I think a must, it is practiced in most worldly systems even in Japan where they may have no interest but you are compelled to pay your dues- aren?t you?
Even a Nanny state, if it works for the benefit of people ? the world even, great.
Voluntary socialism
Yes it is great if people where so pure in heart as to pay their dues- but unfortunately they aren?t and so a Nanny state has to be it.
And Angel with respects I have lived here for 35 years- studied here and dealt with people in general and to me anyways your facts are wrong.
Where do you live?
Gods Blessings on all.
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i live in england.
which part of my post did you regard as wrong?
An example might help.
http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/2520303.stm#table
peace
God Bless.
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Hi Br,
Where(i think i have missed it)- can you point it out please Br.
Thanks.
Well join the dots
A Believer obeys God, observes his limits, does good deeds and prays not to be punished on the Day of widespread woes. God tells us Good deeds to do so that our bad deeds are overlooked and so that we benefit from them in the Hereafter
God classifies the believers as such
"But such as come to Him as Believers who have worked righteous deeds,- for them are ranks exalted,-"
So God is giving us a target to aspire to. As submitters we are trying to get closer to God in faith and good deeds so we will be classed among the believers. People with sense do so. It is a necessity to do good deeds (charity etc) to be a believer. They are duties we must do as pious people. But people do not do it out of laziness or fear of loss of wealth etc. There is no compulsion in the religion but at the same time, being a believer and doing good deeds are mutually exclusive because as believers you should be aspiring for God's good pleasure whilst fearing/respecting his punishment. If you do not do good deeds then you do not really fear/respect God nor his punishment and which leads to only aspiring for this world with know real faith in the Hereafter, therefore you do not really believe, hence mutually exclusive. In other words once you become a believer, you are Compelled to do good deeds. Whether you do them or not is your loss.
Whereas England is moralless, there are no limits to anything in society, whether its homosexual parenting, 13+ teenagers leaking out on the streets where I have a heightened fear for my life where I live or sexual objectivity it is a society that makes it harder to do good deeds. When I'm in central london (richest part of london) I still see homeless people on the streets, refugees missing limbs selling the big issue. Now I give them money to go to the shelter, or I buy food for them, or just give them whatever money I have - I'm not asking for praise for this or asserting my own righteousness - whilst EVERYONE (I mean everyone) else walks by or looks down in almost pure hatred and scorn at the beggar and the poor.
'And when it is said unto them "Spend of that wherewith Allah hath provided you", those who disbelieve say unto those who believe "Shall we feed those whom Allah, if He willed, would feed? Ye are in naught else than error manifest."'
3647You may say and believe that the powers that be are helping the disenfranchised but society at large does not give a damn about anyone and everyone will continue squandering and hating the less fortunate untill misfortune touches them. Then they are the first on their knees.
That is what the british system propagates. The believers will willingly propagate what is good, because they aspire for the good in the Hereafter. The secular societies HAVE no aspirations for the hereafter, its all here and now, and its every man woman for itself, and since there is no God watching over us, they can do whatever they want to do, and run amok.
Peace