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    Quran 731 O Children of Adam Wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer eat and drink but wast not be excess, for Allah loveth not the wasters. (y.Ali)

    Quran 2458 O ye who believe! Let those whom your right hands possess, and the (children) among you who have not come of age ask your permission (before they come to your presence), on three occasions before morning prayer; the while ye doff your clothes for the noonday heat; and after the late night prayer these are your three times of undress outsides those times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about attending to each other thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom. (y.Ali)

    what that means mascid place for prayer or same time place for educations meeting place which one

    Allah knows the best

    4829 Muhammad, the messenger of God, and those who are with him, are severe against the ingrates, but merciful between themselves. You see them kneeling/bowing and prostrating, they seek God's blessings and approval. Their distinction is in their faces, as a result of prostrating. Such is their example in the Torah. Their example in the Injeel is like a plant which shoots out and becomes strong and thick and it stands straight on its trunk, pleasing to the farmers. That He may enrage the ingrates with them. God promises those among them who acknowledge and do good works forgiveness and a great reward.

    2458 O you who acknowledge, let those whom are under your contract and have not yet attained puberty request your permission regarding three times Before the dawn contact prayer, and when you take off your attire from the heat of the noon, and after the evening contact prayer. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. God thus clarifies the revelations for you. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

    1649 To God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures as well as the angels, and they are not arrogant.

    Please read the following

    Edip-Layth - End Note 8 (1649)

    The human body, whether belonging to an appreciative or unappreciative person, as a whole has peacefully surrendered to its Creator, and thus is a muslim (submitter/peaceful surrenderer to God). It is true that SaJDa means obedience, submission to God's law (1649). From this verse we should not necessarily infer that everything has a mind like humans. Even if we subscribe to such a fancy assumption, mental events too are physical events; they are the consequence of interactions of electrons. In fact, the prostration of all the creatures we perceive is physical. Any event that can be sensed by our five senses is a physical event. Atoms peacefully surrender to God's laws when they interact with each other. When water freezes it peacefully surrenders to God's law and expands; when it is heated to a certain degree it evaporates. When Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, and Oxygen atoms come together in a particular order and create bases called Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine, and Thymine, and when these bases join each other in a particular order, pre- ordained by God, they create DNAs that produce new qualities and events, including life. Every cell and organ in our bodies submits to God's law. These are all physical demonstration of SaJDa to God. No wonder, the entire universe is stated to have submitted to God (383; 1315). Interestingly, in these two verses the same idea is depicted yet in 383 the verb aSLaMa (submitted) is used while in 1315 the verb yaSJuDu (prostrating) is used. This is strong evidence that both verbs belong to the same semantic field. As we know, submission to God is not just a mental activity but also a physical action, such as working hard, delivering God's message, feeding the poor, etc. The word SaJDa in some verses means ONLY mental (in quantum, electronic or neural level) prostration while in other verses it means ONLY bodily (atomic and molecular level) prostration. The prostration mentioned in 2720-24 must be bodily, and the one in verse 7748 most likely refers to mental prostration. As for verse 2218, it describes both mental and bodily submission to God. One might argue, "Has anyone ever seen any of these creations bow and prostrate on the ground (animals excluded)? Since all things in heavens and earth do not prostrate to God by casting themselves face down on the ground in humility, then we should not prostrate that way either." This conclusion is based on a false assumption that ALL creatures prostrate the same way. Every creature in the heavens and the earth glorifies God (2441; 571; 591,24; 611; 621; 641). But we do not understand their glorification (1744). We are also instructed to glorify our Lord day and night, not like birds or planets, but like humans, in our language and according to our natural design (341; 598; 7206; 1911; 20130; 3215; 4055; 5039-40; 5248-49; 5674,96; 6952; 7626; 871; 1103). Hence "Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the earth glorify God, including the birds in columns. Each knows his/her/its prayer (sala) and glorification. God is fully aware of everything you do." (2441). The following verse is also important "Are they seeking other than God's religion, when everything has submitted (aSLaMa) to Him in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and to Him they will be returned?" (383). Now those who reject that sala prayer includes bodily bowing and prostration should ask a similar question about how to be a muslim just as they ask about how to perform prostration "Has anyone ever seen any of these creations give charity or deliver God's message or study the Quran?" So, according to those who deny that we must both mentally and bodily prostrate for God, we should not give charity, should not deliver the message, should not study the Quran, and should not use computers?!! One might refer to 262 and ask "No, not all of the mentioned people bow and prostrate on the ground. Will they be punished? No, it is the people who do not submit to the God and follow His commands that will deserve His punishment." This is a hasty conclusion. The groups mentioned in the verse (believers, Jews, Nazarenes, and those from other religions) attain salvation as long as they believe in God, do righteous work and believe in the hereafter. Perhaps not all these groups bow and prostrate, and perhaps not all these groups believe and follow the Quran, either. First, we should remember that God holds each responsible depending on their circumstances. As those who witnessed Moses' miracles will be hold responsible for their reaction to them, similarly those who are instructed to bow and prostrate will be held responsible for their reaction. Each nation received a messenger and each received their instruction (1047; 2234; 402. Referring to verse 1850, one might conclude "There is no need to get on the ground to worship your Lord because He has not commanded us to do this. He wants us to bow and prostrate our wills to that of His will." This is a reasonable conclusion. However, knowing that the word prostration was also used to mean humbly getting on the ground, we cannot equate the prostration in this verse to all others. The verse refers to an event which took place before the creation of life on earth. Besides, the instruction is to Satan, a creature made of energy, not matter like us. The nature of the prostration asked of Satan or the angels might be a little different than the one asked of us; or, more accurately, the form, way or style of our prostration might not necessarily be expected to be the same as that of the angels. David, who was observing sala prayer, is described by the Quran as "? He then implored his Lord for forgiveness, bowed down (KhaRra RuKka'An), and repented." (3824). David's repentance is clearly described as bowing down, both mentally and bodily. We should remind those who are trying hard to eliminate the formal component of sala prayer of the following verse "? When the revelations of the Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate (KhaRRu SuJjaDan), weeping" (195. See 4137; 1315; 383.

    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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      selam

      1649 And unto Allah maketh prostration whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth of living creatures, and the angels (also), and they are not proudd

      we ve to know what that means (sucud)

      We ve to know what really angels?? are they ve body? or they are energy and helper like robot
      living creatures of course they (sucud) to Allah cos no any animal does not act different a cow trying to fly no cos they do the same some of them dont store their food as well cos they sucud Allah properly
      but human so different our (sucud) diferent our sucud must be like what Quran says
      human Must act like What Allah Says so our sucud in the Qur'an if we act what Allah says in the Quran That will be our sucud

      Salat=Study,Learn,Talk About,Education,bigest duty about,Qur'an
      Ruku= action in salat
      Sucud=actions adapted to Quran what we ve to as Allah says in the Quran

      1315 And whoever is in the heavens and the earth makesobeisance to Allah only, willingly and unwillingly, andtheir shadows too at morn and eve.

      we are talking,trying to find,to truth but from quran this is or salat eachother
      and same time we are position in ruku and we adapting,acting same thing Quran our sucud like salat we do some thing from quran

      Allah knows the best

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        selam

        1649 And unto Allah maketh prostration whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth of living creatures, and the angels (also), and they are not proudd

        we ve to know what that means (sucud)

        We ve to know what really angels?? are they ve body? or they are energy and helper like robot
        living creatures of course they (sucud) to Allah cos no any animal does not act different a cow trying to fly no cos they do the same some of them dont store their food as well cos they sucud Allah properly
        but human so different our (sucud) diferent our sucud must be like what Quran says
        human Must act like What Allah Says so our sucud in the Qur'an if we act what Allah says in the Quran That will be our sucud

        Salat=Study,Learn,Talk About,Education,bigest duty about,Qur'an
        Ruku= action in salat
        Sucud=actions adapted to Quran what we ve to as Allah says in the Quran

        Allah knows the best

        1315 And whoever is in the heavens and the earth makesobeisance to Allah only, willingly and unwillingly, andtheir shadows too at morn and eve.

        Please read that which is hilighted in blue from my last post.

        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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          selam
          i ve read it and i understood
          i am trying to similar like sun like moon like animals like angels they act (sucud) what Allah gave them simple
          but human different our sucud in the quran i mean if we act what Quran says that will be our sucud

          but prayer will be different this is with hearth cos Allah does not look our pray how we look Allah look our heart how we feel this is more important more than bodly actions

          mevlana in konya
          one day some one come to him talk with him all afternoon till sunset and he said to mevlana u ve missed noon and asr prayer he said there is no time i am praying cos his praying in his heart he is in contact all the time with heart and soul

          my english is not good i am trying sorry for missunderstanding me

          Allah knows the best

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            i ve read it and i understood
            i am trying to similar like sun like moon like animals like angels they act (sucud) what Allah gave them simple
            but human different our sucud in the quran i mean if we act what Quran says that will be our sucud

            "Sujud/Sucud" means different things - it all matters which context it is put in. It can mean "obeisance", "prostration", etc.

            but prayer will be different this is with hearth cos Allah does not look our pray how we look Allah look our heart how we feel this is more important more than bodly actions

            mevlana in konya
            one day some one come to him talk with him all afternoon till sunset and he said to mevlana u ve missed noon and asr prayer he said there is no time i am praying cos his praying in his heart he is in contact all the time with heart and soul

            This is true. Prayer has to be BOTH mental and physical. If there is no mind/heart/intention with it, it is meaningless.

            my english is not good i am trying sorry for missunderstanding me

            Problem degil.

            Selam

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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