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Should we stone A. Wallace?

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    liquiddharma
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    I didn't call it anything. I just asked a question - did you receive it miraculously from God, or is it a product of your intelligence? I'm not trying to criticise, just letting you know what I understand by a message from God. Btw, I think Yosemite likes you.

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      Btw, I think Yosemite likes you.

      Clever illation!

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        anthonywallace
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        I didn't call it anything. I just asked a question - did you receive it miraculously from God, or is it a product of your intelligence? I'm not trying to criticise, just letting you know what I understand by a message from God. Btw, I think Yosemite likes you.

        peace

        I recieved it maraculously from God.

        peace

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          farida
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          peace

          I recieved it maraculously from God.

          peace

          Aren't you lucky! as not everyone can receive it. sun

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            anthonywallace
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            Aren't you lucky! as not everyone can receive it. sun

            Glory be to our God.

            None can grasp it except those who are purified.

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              farida
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              Glory be to our God.

              None can grasp it except those who are purified.

              Alhumdullilah! this is the blessing of our Lord hail

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                liquiddharma
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                I do like this area, mystical theology. It inspires so many beautiful works of art, like this one of the Prophet's own ascension experience. It's a real tragedy that the fundies try and ban depictions of the prophet, as art is so important to faith in the power of God to bring us salvation in this world and the hereafter.

                http//www.mirror.org/greg.roberts/MirajB1.jpg

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                  anthonywallace
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                  Alhumdullilah! this is the blessing of our Lord hail

                  "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness."

                  "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness."

                  "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness." hail

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                    farida
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                    "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness."

                    "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness."

                    "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness." hail

                    Causes the night to gain on the day

                    Causes the day to gain on the night

                    Brings the Living out of the dead

                    Brings the dead out of the living

                    Gives sustenance to whomever without measure. hail

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                      liquiddharma
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                      "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness."

                      "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness."

                      "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness." hail

                      Only 3 rakats? You're getting lazy. That'll be 1000 hail Mary's and straight to bed for you.

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                        anthonywallace
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                        Only 3 rakats? You're getting lazy. That'll be 1000 hail Mary's and straight to bed for you.

                        Can you uphold it better?

                        God knows what is said in the heavens and the Earth.

                        I only go visit my Lord, and I do not associate anyone with Him.

                        Causes the night to gain on the day

                        Causes the day to gain on the night

                        Brings the Living out of the dead

                        Brings the dead out of the living

                        Gives sustenance to whomever without measure. hail

                        The Possesor of kingship,

                        He gives the kingship to whoever He pleases and revokes the kingship from whoever He pleases

                        He honors whoever He pleases, and humiliate whoever He pleases.

                        And in His hand is goodness.

                        God, there is no god but He. The King, the Holy, the Peace, the Faithful, the Supreme, the Noble, the Powerful, the Dignified. God be glorified; far above what they set up.

                        He is God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the Most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the Earth. He is the Noble, the Wise. hail

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                          farida
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                          Can you uphold it better?

                          God knows what is said in the heavens and the Earth.

                          I only go visit my Lord, and I do not associate anyone with Him.

                          The Possesor of kingship,

                          He gives the kingship to whoever He pleases and revokes the kingship from whoever He pleases

                          He honors whoever He pleases, and humiliate whoever He pleases.

                          And in His hand is goodness.

                          God, there is no god but He. The King, the Holy, the Peace, the Faithful, the Supreme, the Noble, the Powerful, the Dignified. God be glorified; far above what they set up.

                          He is God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the Most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the Earth. He is the Noble, the Wise. hail

                          It is Allah Who sends the Winds,

                          and they raise the CLOUDS

                          then does He spread them in the sky as He wills,

                          and break them into fragments,

                          until thou seest rain-drops issue from the midst thereof

                          then when He has made them reach such of his servants as He wills behold, they do rejoice!- hail

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                            anthonywallace
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                            It is Allah Who sends the Winds,

                            and they raise the CLOUDS

                            then does He spread them in the sky as He wills,

                            and break them into fragments,

                            until thou seest rain-drops issue from the midst thereof

                            then when He has made them reach such of his servants as He wills behold, they do rejoice!- hail

                            Glorifying God is everything in the heavens and everything on the Earth; the King, the Holy, the Noble, the Wise.

                            He is the One who sent to the Gentiles a messenger from among themselves, to recite to them His revelations, and to purify them, and teach them the Scripture and the wisdom. And before this, they were clearly astray.

                            And to other generations subsequent to them. He is the Noble, the Wise.

                            Such is Gods grace, which He bestows upon whomever He wills. God is Possessor of Infinit Grace.

                            Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness. hail

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                              Hati
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                              Glorifying God is everything in the heavens and everything on the Earth; the King, the Holy, the Noble, the Wise.

                              He is the One who sent to the Gentiles a messenger from among themselves, to recite to them His revelations, and to purify them, and teach them the Scripture and the wisdom. And before this, they were clearly astray.

                              And to other generations subsequent to them. He is the Noble, the Wise.

                              Such is Gods grace, which He bestows upon whomever He wills. God is Possessor of Infinit Grace.

                              Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in soverignty, nor does He have ally out of weakness.

                              Salam

                              Nothing new. Just read the Quran.

                              Hati

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                                anthonywallace
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                                Salam

                                Nothing new. Just read the Quran.

                                Hati

                                Peace,

                                Nothin is new, nothin new under the sun. Everything that has happened has happened before. Nothin is new, nothin new under the sun.

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                                  pvb
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                                  There is a lot of information in the Holy Bible for those questioning whether a person is a prophet.

                                  Matthew 7

                                  15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

                                  I have told you everything ahead of time

                                  Mark 13

                                  20If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect?if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

                                  Revelation 1920

                                  20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

                                  http//www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Pet.%202;&version=31;

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                                    anthonywallace
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                                    There is a lot of information in the Holy Bible for those questioning whether a person is a prophet.

                                    Matthew 7

                                    15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

                                    I have told you everything ahead of time

                                    Mark 13

                                    20If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect?if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

                                    Revelation 1920

                                    20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

                                    http//www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Pet.%202;&version=31;

                                    pvb is right, be on your gaurd.

                                    Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and PROPHETHOOD say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.

                                    Stay away from them Pharises and teachers! They are like blind people leading other blind people , they all will fall into a ditch.

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                                      Jafar
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                                      I testify that there's no God but Allah
                                      And A. Wallace is His messenger..

                                      Will i also be stoned??

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                                        Ahmad_Bilal
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                                        I deliver to you "the submitters communion book." The communion manefested.

                                        peace

                                        Peace to all.

                                        No disrespect or anything, brother, but you're preaching a blasphemous concept, a teaching completely against al-Qur'an. For you to claim to bring any new book or new message is to declare yourself a "prophet", not just a "messenger". You don't fit the description of a "prophet" because al-Qur'an clearly says that Mohammed is the last one... According to the Scripture, all messengers bring proofs of their messengership. So, where is yours? You can't say you bring the "salat", defining it as "prayer" - that's completely false. Al-salat has been around for a long time, even before al-Qur'an was sent down to Mohammed...

                                        Also, you can't lead people towards the true path of God (Allah) if you can't read His divine Message - you said you can't read Arabic, thus you can't read al-Qur'an. You can only read TRANSLATIONS, which may be correct or blatantly wrong. Without at least having a basic understanding of the Arabic language, you can't successfully preach to us the Scripture... Your concepts of prayer ("dua&quot are not based on the Bible either - they're based on TRANSLATIONS of the Bible. If you can't teach the Message from the original Scripture (Hebrew and Aramaic), how do you know that you're not publicizing falsehoods? The statement you made

                                        I recieved it maraculously from God.

                                        That is a complete fabrication and a lie against God. The Almighty doesn't send His messages to us anymore through humans - if Mohammed was the last prophet, then obviously, al-Qur'an is the last message/scripture/light/reminder for us. A true messenger of God CONFIRMS the Message through proofs and signs, and that entails a lot more than simply reciting memorized Qur'anic verses...

                                        A messenger is one that carries messages or performs errands...

                                        This is not the view of a "messenger" (raswul) expressed in al-Qur'an... To view yourself as a personal "messenger" to the people, desiring to lead people to God's system of submission, is fine. But to constuct a lie against God Himself, even to the point of claiming to have received a divine book explaining al-salat and zakat, allegedly sent down by "miraculous" means, is a very serious transgression, one not easily overlooked.

                                        True that messenger can be any bearer of a message but in the case of prophet who is a messenger as well is to deliver the God's revelations to mankind. It is a fact in Quran that although prophets had been killed but no prophet who was a messenger as well had ever been killed.

                                        This comment doesn't make sense. A "prophet" (nabi) wouldn't receive a divine Message and keep it for himself, would he? Any message that a prophet brings to the people is sent down, and therefore confirmed, by God Himself. Since the prophet's message is to be preached to a larger audience than himself, that would automatically make all "prophets" also "messengers". However, since every confirmation of Scripture is not followed by a new revelation, every "messenger" is not necessarily a "prophet"...

                                        Rashad Khalifa cannot be a human messenger of God as a messenger has to be a prophet as well.

                                        I'm not saying that I believe completely in the messengership of Dr. Rashad Khalifa, but there is a definate difference between a "prophet" (nabi) and a "messenger" (raswul). The clearest distinguishment of them is

                                        "We did not send before you any messenger nor a prophet, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. God then nullifies what the devil has done. God perfects His revelations. God is Omniscient, Most Wise." (al-Qur'an 2252)

                                        Because of it saying "ANY MESSENGER NOR A PROPHET", that means they can't be the same thing - if they were the exact same thing, this Scripture would be redundant. Al-Qur'an is showing that there is a clear difference between the two. Also, the two could be catagorized together if every "messenger" was also called a "prophet" in al-Qur'an, but this isn't the case either. The past messengers Hud, Saleh, and Shuaib are never called "prophets", they are only called "messengers", and that separates them from the ones called "prophets" in al-Qur'an-Majeed (i.e. Moussa, Ibraheem, Esa, etc.)...

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                                          Peace to all.

                                          No disrespect or anything, brother, but you're preaching a blasphemous concept, a teaching completely against al-Qur'an. For you to claim to bring any new book or new message is to declare yourself a "prophet", not just a "messenger".

                                          According to the Scripture, all messengers bring proofs of their messengership. So, where is yours? You can't say you bring the "salat", defining it as "prayer" - that's completely false. Al-salat has been around for a long time, even before al-Qur'an was sent down to Mohammed...

                                          Also, you can't lead people towards the true path of God (Allah) if you can't read His divine Message - you said you can't read Arabic, thus you can't read al-Qur'an. You can only read TRANSLATIONS, which may be correct or blatantly wrong. Without at least having a basic understanding of the Arabic language, you can't successfully preach to us the Scripture... Your concepts of prayer ("dua&quot are not based on the Bible either - they're based on TRANSLATIONS of the Bible. If you can't teach the Message from the original Scripture (Hebrew and Aramaic), how do you know that you're not publicizing falsehoods? The statement you made

                                          That is a complete fabrication and a lie against God. The Almighty doesn't send His messages to us anymore through humans - if Mohammed was the last prophet, then obviously, al-Qur'an is the last message/scripture/light/reminder for us. A true messenger of God CONFIRMS the Message through proofs and signs, and that entails a lot more than simply reciting memorized Qur'anic verses...

                                          This is not the view of a "messenger" (raswul) expressed in al-Qur'an... To view yourself as a personal "messenger" to the people, desiring to lead people to God's system of submission, is fine. But to constuct a lie against God Himself, even to the point of claiming to have received a divine book explaining al-salat and zakat, allegedly sent down by "miraculous" means, is a very serious transgression, one not easily overlooked.

                                          God is sufficeint as a witness between me and you, the One who has the knowledge of the Scripture...

                                          Glory be to my Lord. Am I anything but a human messenger.

                                          This is my way, I invite to God in full disclosure, myself and whomever follows me. And I am not of those who set up partners...

                                          Prayer has been around for along time...and their prayers at the temple was nothing but noise and aversion...generations lost the prayers while they were commanded to keep it ,and followed desire...of serving idols in Gods precense...

                                          My proof of my messengership is the Quran. Everytime a messenger came to them they denied them also... And those who reject say " you are not a messenger " and they dont have proof that im not...Nor do you have proof...

                                          That is one proof, and God knows who His messengers are. And He knows those who deny His messengers to...And He knows the hyporcrites...

                                          Im go claim to be Gods messenger till the death. I am Gods messenger to you all. The One who has the soverinty of the heavens and Earth.

                                          He chooses whomever He wishes from the people to be His messenger...

                                          So be aware of God and obey me ( and my teachings/ and my book).

                                          Have they passed these sayings down to each other???

                                          And they also said " We will not believe in you into you cause a spring to burst forth, or bring a sing from heaven, or have a mansion, and ordornaments.

                                          and we will not believe in you untill u acend into the heaven..."

                                          Had God willed i would not have recited it to you...

                                          Are the messengers requred to do anything but deliver clearly?

                                          I do not say to you that I posses Gods treasures. Nor do I say to you that i am an angel, nor do i know the future. I merly follow what is inspired to me. Are the blind and the seer the same? Do you not think?

                                          their messengers came to them with clear proofs, but they said " Shall mere human beigs guid us? " So they rejected and turner away, and God had no need. And God is Rich, Praiseworthy.

                                          And I seek refuge with my Lord from being of the ignorant, and saying what i dont know...

                                          What is the matter with you??? God has made the Quran easy in my tongue...The Holy Spirit brought it down...

                                          So are you saying that only Arabics can preach the Scripture??? Or only those who can read the quran in Arabic???Do you have any proof for most of what you say??? Or are u sayin that only arabics can understand quran??? None can grasp it except those who are purified...He has taught the Quran... And He is the One who teaches you... And the Quran has been made easy to learn for anyone who wishes to learn...

                                          Do u not know that God guides whoever He wishes??? And that language is not a barrier??? And that He dosent annialate a town without first sending a messenger to the language of its own people to clarify for them???

                                          I know that im not publiszing falshood, because the truth has come from your Lord, while falshood has perished. Falshood is always bound to perish!

                                          God still sends human messengers to inspire whoever He chooses... Muhammad was the last prohet... but not the last messenger...

                                          And He sends messengers who recites His revelations to the people, and who purifys them, and teaches them the Scripture and wisdom, and what they dont know...

                                          Now bring your proof that He dont...

                                          The signs are from God... And the messengers are not requerd to bring signs or anything without Gods leave... they are only requred to deliver clearly His message...recite the Quran...

                                          I dont have what you are hastening towards...

                                          Or do they say " He fabricated lies about God"

                                          And if I fabricated lies against God, then i am responsible for my crime and you are responsible for ur crimes...

                                          If I stray then I do to my own lose, and if i am guided then it is because of what my Lord has inspired to me. And He is the Hearer, knower.

                                          I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of a great Day...

                                          And how do u know that when a sign comes , that they will not disbelieve?

                                          It is the same no matter what proofs u bring, the disbelievers not go believe...

                                          And how can anyone ask the Lord to save them if they never heard of Him? And how can they hear unless someone tells them? And how can someone tell them without being sent by the Lord???

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