"Obey God and obey the messenger" verse

Samia

Salam,

No, but you are stating it as fact when it is not.

Salam,
Arnab

Really? What is "not"? That khtm (does not) mean end, closed, no more access? Explaining a word becomes "stating a fact"? Why don't you give us the meaning of this root in the sematic languages you know and prove me wrong ? While you are doing that (if you care to do that), here are the verses where this word or its derivatives are used in the qur'aan
27; 646; 4523; 3665; 42;24; 8326; 8325
and please show us where, after this verb is used, anything has access to what has been (makhtoum/sealed)

unknownuser

Really? What is "not"? That khtm (does not) mean end, closed, no more access?

That is one of the meanings but not the only one. In fact more times than not when the word is used in a statement such as in 3340 it means that it is an authentication.

Explaining a word becomes "stating a fact"?

Yes, actually it does. If you are EXPLAINING a word that means you are helping another person to understand the meaning.

Does that mean that you were not stating a fact?
That is called misleading people deliberately or to be more frank lying.

Why don't you give us the meaning of this root in the sematic languages you know and prove me wrong ? While you are doing that (if you care to do that), here are the verses where this word or its derivatives are used in the qur'aan
27; 646; 4523; 3665; 42;24; 8326; 8325
and please show us where, after this verb is used, anything has access to what has been (makhtoum/sealed)

The word khatm is used in different ways through out scripture. Here is a history.

Hebrew

From Strong?s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries and Brown Driver Briggs? Hebrew Dictionary

Strong's # H2856

chatham
khaw-tham'
A primitive root; to close up; especially to seal - make an end, mark, seal (up), stop.

BDB Definition

to seal, seal up, affix a seal
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to seal, affix one?s seal
1a2) to seal up, fasten up by sealing
1b) (Niphal) to seal
1c) (Piel) to lock up
1d) (Hiphil) to be stopped
Part of Speech verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong?s Number a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number 780

From The Theological Word Book of the Old Testament

0780 - hatam

Hebrew Word hatam
Strong's Cross Reference 2856
Definition affix a seal, seal up. This verb occurs in the Qal, Niphal, and Hiphil.

Derivative TWOT Number 780a
Derivative Transliteration hatam
Derivative Strong's Cross Reference 2368
Derivative Definition seal, signet (ASV, RSV the same except RSV has signet ring in Hag_223).

Derivative TWOT Number 780b
Derivative Transliteration hotemet
Derivative Strong's Cross Reference 2858
Derivative Definition a signet seal.

The basic meaning of this root is "to seal." Various kinds of documents were authenticated by affixing seal impressions from stamp or cylinder seals. The one was stamped into clay or wax while the other was rolled across it, leaving an impression. Letters (1Ki_218 ), decrees of kings (Est_312; Est_88, Est_810; Dan_617-1, covenants (Neh_101 ), land purchase deeds (Jer_3210, Jer_3211, Jer_3244), and books (Dan_124) were sealed. Also an unintelligible prophecy is said in a simile to be sealed (Isa_2911).

Hence sealing designates that which is securely enclosed (Dan_129) by lying under a seal (Dan_129), e.g. the stars (Job_97), a treasure (Deu_3234), or one's transgression (Job_1417). Isaiah was to seal up his teaching in his disciples, that is, to keep it securely (Isa_816). A sealed fountain is a metaphor for a chaste woman (Son_412). The root also signifies to close up the hand of man so that he cannot work in winter (Job_377) and signifies that which is closed up (Job_2416) as when a man's running sore or discharge of the urinary tract is stopped (Lev_153).

hotam. Seal, signet. This masculine noun, from the root hatam "to seal," refers to a seal made of engraved stone impressed in clay or wax to authenticate a document. If it were a cylinder seal like those used in Mesopotamia it would be suspended around the neck on a string (Gen_381. A stamp seal such as was more common in Palestine would be carried, or worn on a finger (Jer_2224). However taba'at is the ordinary word for signet ring. Jezebel used Ahab's seal to authenticate the order of Naboth's death (1Ki_218; cf. Sir 426). Numerous stamp seals and cylinder seals have been found in archeological excavations in Palestine,

The stones and gold plate on the priest's garment were engraved as a jeweler engraved signets (Exo_2811, Exo_2821, Exo_2826; Exo_396, Exo_3914, Exo_3930). As distinctive property of its owner, a seal could prove that Judah had been with Tamar (Gen_3818; but v. 25 has ho'femet). "The signet on the right hand" is a figure for that which is particularly precious to one (Jer_2224; Hag_223).

In figures of speech the beloved desires to be as the seal on the heart and upon the arm (Son_86). One speaks of morning changing the earth like clay under the seal (Job_3814) the figure probably being derived from the rolling of a cylinder seal over clay; of Leviathan's back shut up closely as with a seal (Job_4115 ); and of a king as the signet of perfection (Eze_2812).

hotemet. Signet. Used for impressing documents, the cylinder seal was widely known in the ancient near east. As a mark for personal property, the seal, practically a signature, was undisputable evidence that Judah had been with Tamar (Gen_3825; cf. v. 18 ).

Bibliography Tuffiell, O., "Seals and Scarabs," in IDB, pp. 254-59. Huey, F. B. "Seal," in ZPEB, V, pp. 319-24. J.P.L.

Aramaic

From Strong?s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries and Brown Driver Briggs? Hebrew Dictionary

H2857

chatham
khath-am'
(Chaldee); a root corresponding to H2856; to seal - seal.

BDB Definition

(Peal) seal.
Part of Speech verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong?s Number a root corresponding to H2856
Same Word by TWOT Number 2749

From the Theological Word Book of the Old Testament

2749 - hatam

Aramaic Word hatam
Strong's Cross Reference 2857
Definition to seal. Usage similar to Hebrew.

From The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia on the use of the word through out the scriptures

Seal
sel (substantive , hotham, ?seal,? ?signet,? , tabbaath, ?signet-ring?; Aramaic , izka'; , sphragis; verb , hatham, (Aramaic , hatham); (, sphragizo&#772, (, katasphragizomai, ?to seal?)

I. Literal Sense.
A seal is an instrument of stone, metal or other hard substance (sometimes set in a ring), on which is engraved some device or figure, and is used for making an impression on some soft substance, as clay or wax, affixed to a document or other object, in token of authenticity.

Prevalence in Antiquity
The use of seals goes back to a very remote antiquity, especially in Egypt, Babylonia and Assyria. Herodotus (i. 195) records the Babylonian custom of wearing signets. In Babylonia the seal generally took the form of a cylinder cut in crystal or some hard stone, which was bored through from end to end and a cord passed through it. The design, often accompanied by the owner's name, was engraved on the curved part. The signet was then suspended by the cord round the neck or waist (compare the Revised Version (British and American) ?cord? in Gen_3818; ?upon thy heart ... upon thine arm,? i.e. one seal hanging down from the neck and another round the waist; Son_86). In Egypt, too, as in Babylonia, the cylinder was the earliest form used for the purpose of a seal; but this form was in Egypt gradually superseded by the scarab (= beetle-shaped) as the prevailing type. Other forms, such as the cone-shaped, were also in use. From the earliest period of civilization the finger-ring on which some distinguishing badge was engraved was in use as a convenient way of carrying the signet, the earliest extant rings being those found in Egyptian tombs. Other ancient peoples, such as the Phoenicians, also used seals. From the East the custom passed into Greece and other western countries. Devices of a variety of sorts were in use at Rome, both by the emperors and by private individuals. In ancient times, almost every variety of precious stones was used for seals, as well as cheaper material, such as limestone or terra-cotta. In the West wax came early into use as the material for receiving the impression of the seal, but in the ancient East clay was the medium used (compare Job_3814). Pigment and ink also came into use.
Seals Among the Hebrews
That the Israelites were acquainted with the use in Egypt of signets set in rings is seen in the statement that Pharaoh delivered to Joseph his royal signet as a token of deputed authority (Gen_4141 f). They were also acquainted with the use of seals among the Persians and Medes (Est_312; Est_88-10; Dan_617). The Hebrews themselves used them at an early period, the first recorded instance being Gen_3818, Gen_3825, where the patriarch Judah is said to have pledged his word to Tamar by leaving her his signet, cord and staff. We have evidence of engraved signets being in important use among them in early times in the description of the two stones on the high priest's ephod (Exo_2811; Exo_396), of his golden plate (Exo_2836; Exo_3930), and breastplate (Exo_3914). Ben-Sirach mentions as a distinct occupation the work of engraving on signets (Sirach 3827). From the case of Judah and the common usage in other countries, we may infer that every Hebrew of any standing wore a seal. In the case of the signet ring, it was usual to wear it on one of the fingers of the right hand (Jer_2224). The Hebrews do not seem to have developed an original type of signets. The seals so far discovered in Palestine go to prove that the predominating type was the Egyptian, and to a less degree the Babylonian.
Uses of Sealing
(1) One of the most important uses of sealing in antiquity was to give a proof of authenticity and authority to letters, royal commands, etc. It served the purposes of a modern signature at a time when the art of writing was known to only a few. Thus Jezebel ?wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal? (1Ki_218 ); the written commands of Ahasuerus were ?sealed with the king's ring,? ?for the writing which is written in the king's name, and sealed with the king's ring, may no man reverse? (Est_88, Est_810; Est_312). (2) Allied to this is the formal ratification of a transaction or covenant. Jeremiah sealed the deeds of the field which he bought from Hanamel (Jer_3210-14; compare Jer_3244); Nehemiah and many others affixed their seal to the written covenant between God and His people (Neh_938; Neh_101 ff). (3) An additional use was the preservation of books in security. A roll or other document intended for preservation was sealed up before it was deposited in a place of safety (Jer_3214; compare the ?book ... close sealed with seven seals,? Rev_51). In sealing the roll, it was wrapped round with flaxen thread or string, then a lump of clay was attached to it impressed with a seal. The seal would have to be broken by an authorized person before the book could be read (Rev_52, Rev_55, Rev_59; Rev_61, Rev_63, etc.). (4) Sealing was a badge of deputed authority and power, as when a king handed over his signet ring to one of his officers (Gen_4142; Est_310; Est_82; 1 Macc 615). (5) Closed doors were often sealed to prevent the entrance of any unauthorized person. So the door of the lion's den (Dan_617; compare Bel and the Dragon verse 14). Herodotus mentions the custom of sealing tombs (ii. 121). So we read of the chief priests and Pharisees sealing the stone at the mouth of our Lord's tomb in order to ?make the sepulchre sure? against the intrusion of the disciples (Mat_2766). Compare the sealing of the abyss to prevent Satan's escape Rev_203). A door was sealed by stretching a cord over the stone which blocked the entrance, spreading clay or wax on the cord, and then impressing it with a seal. (6) To any other object might a seal be affixed, as an official mark of ownership; e.g. a large number of clay stoppers of wine jars are still preserved, on which seal impressions of the cylinder type were stamped, by rolling the cylinder along the surface of the clay when it was still soft (compare Job_3814).

II. Metaphorical Use of the Term.
The word ?seal,? both substantive and verb, is often used figuratively for the act or token of authentication, confirmation, proof, security or possession. Sin is said not to be forgotten by God, but treasured and stored up with Him against the sinner, under a seal (Deu_3234; Job_1417). A lover's signet is the emblem of love as an inalienable possession (Son_86); an unresponsive maiden is ?a spring shut up, a fountain sealed? (Son_412). The seal is sometimes a metaphor for secrecy. That which is beyond the comprehension of the uninitiated is said to be as ?a book that is sealed? (Isa_2911 f; compare the book with seven seals, Rev_51 ff). Daniel is bidden to ?shut up the words? of his prophecy ?and seal the book, even to the time of the end,? i.e. to keep his prophecy a secret till it shall be revealed (Dan_124, Dan_129; compare Rev_104). Elsewhere it stands for the ratification of prophecy (Dan_924). The exact meaning of the figure is sometimes ambiguous (as in Job_3316; Eze_2812). In the New Testament the main ideas in the figure are those of authentication, ratification, and security. The believer in Christ is said to ?set his seal to this, that God is true? (Joh_333), i.e. to attest the veracity of God, to stamp it with the believer's own endorsement and confirmation. The Father has sealed the Son, i.e. authenticated Him as the bestower of life-giving bread (Joh_627). The circumcision of Abraham was a ?sign? and ?seal,? an outward ratification, of the righteousness of faith which he had already received while uncircumcised (Rom_411; compare the prayer offered at the circumcision of a child, ?Blessed be He who sanctified His beloved from the womb, and put His ordinance upon his flesh, and sealed His offering with the sign of a holy covenant?; also Targum Song 38 ?The seal of circumcision is in your flesh as it was sealed in the flesh of Abraham?). Paul describes his act in making over to the saints at Jerusalem the contribution of the Gentiles as having ?sealed to them this fruit? (Rom_152; the meaning of the phrase is doubtful, but the figure seems to be based on sealing as ratifying a commercial transaction, expressing Paul's intention formally to hand over to them the fruit (of his own labors, or of spiritual blessings which through him the Gentiles had enjoyed), and to mark it as their own property. Paul's converts are the ?seal,? the authentic confirmation, of his apostleship (1Co_92). God by His Spirit indicates who are His, as the owner sets his seal on his property; and just as documents are sealed up until the proper time for opening them, so Christians are sealed up by the Holy Spirit ?unto the day of redemption? (Eph_113; Eph_430; 2Co_122). Ownership, security and authentication are implied in the words, ?The firm foundation of God standeth, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his? (2Ti_219). The seal of God on the foreheads of His servants (Rev_72-4) marks them off as His own, and guarantees their eternal security, whereas those that ?have not the seal of God on their foreheads? (Rev_94) have no such guaranty.
On the analogy of the rite of circumcision (see above), the term ?seal? (sphragis) was at a very early period applied to Christian baptism. But there is no sufficient ground for referring such passages as Eph_113; Eph_430; 2Co_122 to the rite of baptism (as some do). The use of the metaphor in connection with baptism came after New Testament times (early instances are given in Gebhardt and Lightfoot on 2 Clem 2Co_76). Harnack and Hatch maintain that the name ?seal? for baptism was taken from the Greek mysteries, but Anrich and Sanday-Headlam hold that it was borrowed from the Jewish view of circumcision as a seal. See MYSTERY.

Arabic

From Lane?s Lexicon courtesy of PRL (http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm)

Kh-Ta-Miim = To seal/stamp/imprint/impress, to secure/protect oneself against a thing, produce an impression or effect upon a thing, reach the end of a thing, cover over a thing, turn away/avoid/shun someone or something, to not understand, prevent the heart from believing, feign heedlessness.

From Hans Wehr?s Dictionary

To seal, provide with a seal or signet (s.th); to stamp, impress with a stamp (s.th); to seal off, close, make impervious or inaccessible (s.th?as in hearts said of God); to put one?s seal (on), conclude, terminate (s.th); to wind up finish complete (s.th.); to close, heal, cicatrize (wound)
As you can see the meaning retains the same meanings and usages through out the Semitic languages.

Here are some Excerpts from John (please note this translation is only for the purpose of getting an idea of the content of the verses. No translation is entirely accurate that being said, the word KHATM is DEFINATELY in these verses).

God has sealed Isa, i.e. authenticated Him

Joh 627 Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you for him hath God the Father sealed.

The believer in Isa?s words is said to ?set his seal to this, that God is true?, i.e. to attest the veracity of God, to stamp it with the believer's own endorsement and confirmation.

Joh 333 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

Salam,
Arnab

farida

Thats a tough question. I think its all about how reliable is the historic information. In the absence of archeological discoveries and ancient documents, the only way is to rely on logical arguments.

In the absence of authentic evidence it would indeed be rash to attempt to express the most tentative opinions as to which parts of the hadith are the oldest material, or even as to which of them date back to the generation immediately following the Prophet?s death. Closer acquaintance with the vast stock of hadiths induces sceptical caution rather than optimistic trust regarding the material brought together in the carefully compiled collections.

Salaam Bigmo

Thank you for explaining in detail and, as you said its is tough, but I feel that in the absence of the best example of the practice of the prophet we may end up going back in time. There is so much confusion arising and I am finding it very difficult to relate to any of the arguments going on at present and pray to God to direct us to the right path.

peace

Al_Araf

Salam samia. There is a huge problem with the way you are using the arabic word khatam.

First let me introduce you to the Arabic word akhir. Akhir means the last. Contrast akhir with khatam.

Allah does not say muhammad nabiyun akhirun. Which is Arabic for muhammad is the last prophet. If Allah had intended to say muhammad was the last prophet he would have said so. Allah did not say so.

I am aware that some posters in this forum speak languages that have incorporated some Arabic words in their language. Turkish, Farsee, Swahili, and Urdu, are some of these languages. These other languages use words like khatam in another context, the context of ending that you speak of. A translator must be wary of these influences they have no place in understanding the Quran.

As long as you use the arabic term khatam and translate it to mean seal, you obtain a high degree of resolution in translation. If you use the arabic term khatam and translate it to mean end or last, you reduce some verses of the Quran to incomprehensibility. For this reason I advise not to use the term end or last.

Please adjust your understanding of the word khatam accordingly.

Allah taught man the names of all things.

Samia

Salam samia. There is a huge problem with the way you are using the arabic word khatam.

First let me introduce you to the Arabic word akhir. Akhir means the last. Contrast akhir with khatam.

Allah does not say muhammad nabiyun akhirun. Which is Arabic for muhammad is the last prophet. If Allah had intended to say muhammad was the last prophet he would have said so. Allah did not say so.

I am aware that some posters in this forum speak languages that have incorporated some Arabic words in their language. Turkish, Farsee, Swahili, and Urdu, are some of these languages. These other languages use words like khatam in another context, the context of ending that you speak of. A translator must be wary of these influences they have no place in understanding the Quran.

As long as you use the arabic term khatam and translate it to mean seal, you obtain a high degree of resolution in translation. If you use the arabic term khatam and translate it to mean end or last, you reduce some verses of the Quran to incomprehensibility. For this reason I advise not to use the term end or last.

Please adjust your understanding of the word khatam accordingly.

Allah taught man the names of all things.

Salaam Al Araf
You just ignore all what I wrote and stick to the "last"? I did not just throw the meaning khatim means last, I reached it throw the original meaning of "to authenticate". Now tell me, how can the prophet authenticate some one who claims to be prophet now? If this is impossible, it means that by being the authenticator he is also the last. If you have a different conclusion, please share it with us.

A seal authenticates what was written before it is stamped on the document. After the seal is broken (= death of the prophet) any addition to the document is illegal (no more prophets can be authenticated). Therefore he is the last prophet/messenger. He is not just an approved prophet, he is an authenticating/approving one.

Al_Araf

Salam samia. First let me inform you I find your English grammar and sentence construction to be very poor. This hinders a rational analysis of your post. I dont say this as a personal affront, I say this in an effort to explain to you why you are not being understood.

You state "You just ignore all what I wrote and stick to the "last"? I did not just throw the meaning khatim means last, I reached it throw the original meaning of "to authenticate". Now tell me, how can the prophet authenticate some one who claims to be prophet now? If this is impossible, it means that by being the authenticator he is also the last. If you have a different conclusion, please share it with us"

Youre completely wrong in your assumption that I ignored what you wrote and "stick" to the last. Look what you just did yourself, you said "it means by being the authenticator he is also the last" You yourself are sticking to the last. Please think what you are saying before you write.

You have in fact said "it means" "by being the authenticator" "he is also the last" I see you again trying to reach around to the word last, which does not exist in the verse, by claiming authenticator is some sort of intermediary, which it is not.

This is an exercise in your addition of "authenticator" and "last" You know very well that addition to the Quran is prohibited and haram. I do not have a different conclusion. I let the Quran speak for itself. You do not have a conclusion, you are adding to the Quran. If you persist in adding to the Quran in your bad attempt to change the word of Allah, I assure you no good will come of this. Does the Quran not say there are people who change words from their places and such people are evil? Why do you keep trying to go to the word last, no matter how you do it, when the word last is not there. Allah is not daeef that he needs samia to improve on his Quran. Do you understand that? Allah says "seal" submit like a believer and say "seal"

Allah is mighty wise.

huruf

Let me remind you, AlAraf, that the Qur'aan doesn't say "seal", it says "khatm".The "seal" it is you who says, not the Qur'aan.

Salaam

Samia

Salam samia. First let me inform you I find your English grammar and sentence construction to be very poor. This hinders a rational analysis of your post. I dont say this as a personal affront, I say this in an effort to explain to you why you are not being understood.

So you did not understand what I was saying?

anthonywallace

Or do they have idols ( Muhammad ) who decrees for them a system that Allah has not authorized?

belH

Or do they have idols ( Muhammad ) who decrees for them a system that Allah has not authorized?

Please do not state that Mohammad = Idols;
If you meant something else, please clear it for us.

unknownuser

Or do they have idols ( Muhammad ) who decrees for them a system that Allah has not authorized?

Salam,

I can't speak for Anthonywallace, but my understanding of his statement was that a lot of people idolize Muhammad just as there are many people who idolize Jesus. They do this with statues (in the case of Jesus), wanting to copy every single move they think Muhammad made (using hadith).

Of course, since I was not the author of the statement this is based entirely on my own thoughts and opinions.

Perhaps Anthonywallace will clarify his statement for us.

Salam,
Arnab

Al_Araf

Salam samia. Please read the complete paragraph which contained one sentence "why you are not being understood" I composed the paragraph to contain a a thought. That one sentence is not the complete thought. Let me repeat the grammar and sentence construction is poor, it HINDERS a rational analysis of your post. You picked out the last sentence. The last sentence is my informing you that your English is hard, not impossible to understand.

May I use the example of the "last" issue to demonstrate the problem. A reader who reads in your post that you are protesting, that it is wrong to conclude that there is a fixation with the word last, is very surprised to find, you went in a circle and again concluded that muhammad is the last through the intermediate term authenticator.

This makes no sense to a reader directly. The first thought a reader has is, why did samia protest, saying she didnt mean last, and then right after that say last. The reader tries to believe that samia is a rational person who would not contradict herself, however samia's words prevent such a conclusion. The only other alternative is the reader has to believe that samia's English is poor, and she is unaware that her grammatical errors are creating the apparent contradiction.

The other part to the post which is the hop, skip, and jump, from seal-authenticator-last, with no explanation of how your mind went from one word to the other, is at the least confusing, or, is a shortcoming in your ability to present an opinion. Please give your reader the rational basis why you made this jump from one word to the other, dont assume people can read your mind.

If your post, so you did not understand what I was saying, was intended to be sarcastic, and a barely concealed claim that the reason why this debate has occurred is that I have a shortcoming in my ability to comprehend, let me disavov you of your misconception.

Allah is mighty wise.

Al_Araf

Salam huruf. You read my post, you saw me enclose the term seal in inverted commas like this, "seal" We know Allah said khatam.

Did you just find out Allah said khatam?

Allah is the discrimination.

unknownuser

Salam samia. Please read the complete paragraph which contained one sentence "why you are not being understood" I composed the paragraph to contain a a thought. That one sentence is not the complete thought. Let me repeat the grammar and sentence construction is poor, it HINDERS a rational analysis of your post. You picked out the last sentence. The last sentence is my informing you that your English is hard, not impossible to understand.

May I use the example of the "last" issue to demonstrate the problem. A reader who reads in your post that you are protesting, that it is wrong to conclude that there is a fixation with the word last, is very surprised to find, you went in a circle and again concluded that muhammad is the last through the intermediate term authenticator.

This makes no sense to a reader directly. The first thought a reader has is, why did samia protest, saying she didnt mean last, and then right after that say last. The reader tries to believe that samia is a rational person who would not contradict herself, however samia's words prevent such a conclusion. The only other alternative is the reader has to believe that samia's English is poor, and she is unaware that her grammatical errors are creating the apparent contradiction.

The other part to the post which is the hop, skip, and jump, from seal-authenticator-last, with no explanation of how your mind went from one word to the other, is at the least confusing, or, is a shortcoming in your ability to present an opinion. Please give your reader the rational basis why you made this jump from one word to the other, dont assume people can read your mind.

If your post, so you did not understand what I was saying, was intended to be sarcastic, and a barely concealed claim that the reason why this debate has occurred is that I have a shortcoming in my ability to comprehend, let me disavov you of your misconception.

Allah is mighty wise.

Salam Al Araf,

Very well written.

Thank you for pointing out the problem that some us were experiencing in an eloquent fashion.

Salam,
Arnab

anthonywallace

Peace,

I dont know right about now.

And i agree with Arnab.

Do Muhamad decree for them the hadith that God has not authorized? Is the Question... Yes or no...

And yes the dividers do set up ( idolize muhammad ) next to God.

God is the stage name! God alone. Do not set up anything at all with your Lord.

And our proofs that they do is the hadiths they use. They talk to Muhammad when they salat. Thus, they have lost the salat, . As if he can hear them...They dont have any proof for what they say...Read the communion book and see if it was authorized by God...

Do not go to visit anyone alongside God.

Those whoes name you say are servants like you.

I probly got off topic, but like i say, it really is a question.

peace

belH

Peace,

I dont know right about now.

And i agree with Arnab.

Do Muhamad decree for them the hadith that God has not authorized? Is the Question... Yes or no...

And yes the dividers do set up ( idolize muhammad ) next to God.

God is the stage name! God alone. Do not set up anything at all with your Lord.

And our proofs that they do is the hadiths they use. They talk to Muhammad when they salat. Thus, they have lost the salat, . As if he can hear them...They dont have any proof for what they say...Read the communion book and see if it was authorized by God...

Do not go to visit anyone alongside God.

Those whoes name you say are servants like you.

I probly got off topic, but like i say, it really is a question.

peace

Thank you and May God Bless

afridi220

The Dictionary Meaning of the Word 'Khatam-al-Nabiyyin'

It is evident that the text can bear one meaning and it is that Khatam-al-Nabiyyin stands for the Finality of Prophethood with a clear implication that the prophethood has been culminated and finalized in Muhammad (PBUH). It is not only the context that supports this interpretation but also the lexicography.

According to Arabic lexicon and the linguistic usage Khatam means to affix seal; to close, to come to an end; and to carry something to its ultimate end.

Khatama al-'Amala is equivalent to 'Faragha min al-'Almali' which means 'to get over with the task.' 'Khatama al-Ina' bears the meaning 'The vessel has been closed and sealed so that nothing can go into it, nor can its contents spill out.'

'Khatam-al-kitab' conveys the meaning 'The letter has been enclosed and sealed so that it is finally secured.'

'Khatama-'Ala-al-Qalb' means 'The heart has been sealed so that it cannot perceive anything new nor can it forswear what it has already imbibed.'

'Khitamu-Kulli-Mashrubin' implies 'the final taste that is left in the mouth when the drink is over.'

Katimatu Kulli Shaiinn 'Aqibatuhu wa Akhiratuhu means "The end in the case of everything denotes its doom and ultimate finish." Khatm-ul-Shaii Balagha Akhirahu conveys the sense, "To end a thing means to carry it to its ultimate limit."

The term Khatam-i-Qur'an is used in the similar sense and the closing verses of Qur'anic Surahs are referred to as Khawatim. Khatim-ul-Qaum Akhirhuum means "The last man in the tribe." (Refer to Lisan-ul-'Arab; Qamus and Aqrab-ul- Muwarid).

For this reason all linguists and commentators agree that Khatam-ul-Nabiyyin means 'The Last in the line of Prophets.' The word Khatam in its dictionary meaning and linguistic usage does not refer to the post office stamp which is affixed on the outgoing mail. Its literal meaning is the 'seal' which is but on the envelope to secure its contents

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