What's up with these Hadith/Prophecies about the End of Times?
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Peace "dbrowser",
I've quoted it about 3 times on this thread already! Anyway here you go
BUKHARI
Volume 001, Book 002, Hadith Number 047.Narated By Abu Huraira One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan." Then he further asked, "What is Ihsan (perfection)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you." Then he further asked, "When will the Hour be established?" Allah's Apostle replied, "The answerer has no better knowledge than the questioner. But I will inform you about its portents.
- When a slave (lady) gives birth to her master.
- When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah. - REFER TO THIS http//study.grissomhome.com/wordpress/?p=25
The Prophet then recited "Verily, with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour..." (31. 34) Then that man (Gabriel) left and the Prophet asked his companions to call him back, but they could not see him. Then the Prophet said, "That was Gabriel who came to teach the people their religion." Abu 'Abdullah said He (the Prophet) considered all that as a part of faith.
JK- Ok this is no specific prophecy at all. 1 can also happen any time. Sure a day could come when a certain region could get slaves and the neborn free themselves and enslave their parents because they treated them harshly. This cycle can happen over and over. As to no 2 are the Arabs the only ones who possess camels? Egypt has camels too. So this could well be referring to the camel shepherds of Egypt. Surely Arabs knew about the egyptians and their tall buildings so this is no specific prophecy. GOD Bless!
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Well if you read this thread you'd realize that I did my homework and am certainly not depending on you to do mine. But I am (maybe mistakenly) expecting you to do yours. Since you say you've "heard" christian missionaries quoting the above prophecies what you need to do is find where in the chrisitan texts they have these prophecies. For e.g. the hadith about the bedouins competing to build tall buildings, let's take that one for now. Did you here the christian missionaries voice that prophecy ? And if so did you check if it was indeed in the christian texts, or maybe THEY were cheating off bukhari ? And if you did indeed check, so did you find it in the christian texts ? And if not then why did you say that you heard these prophecies from christian missionaries? Looking forward to your answer.
Do a Google search for 'end of the world prophecies' and you would find all the sources including the Christian ones in detail.
Btw. there is one modern prophecy which says that there will be a gathering of world leaders at the greatest show on earth and straight after that there will be chaos, so I am watching the China Olympics, which everyone is saying is the most spectactular show, so get ready, elektro -
Peace "dbrowser",
As to no 2 are the Arabs the only ones who possess camels? Egypt has camels too. So this could well be referring to the camel shepherds of Egypt. Surely Arabs knew about the egyptians and their tall buildings so this is no specific prophecy. GOD Bless!Yeah the Egyptians have camels too as does the UAE which is the hotspot of skyscraper construction. Either way, the prophecy came true. As for the Arabs surely knowing about the egyptians and their tall buildings, what tall buildings ? Skyscrapers weren't around till like earlier this century, that too in the states. "Bedouins will compete to build tall buildings" and whats happening in the UAE rite now - I mean come on to deny the similarity is a little too ignorant don't you think ? That's like saying the prophecy in the first few ayahs of Surah Rum are a coincidence.
And it's not just this one hadith or prophecy - check out the youtube video I posted in my first message here.
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Do a Google search for 'end of the world prophecies' and you would find all the sources including the Christian ones in detail.
Btw. there is one modern prophecy which says that there will be a gathering of world leaders at the greatest show on earth and straight after that there will be chaos, so I am watching the China Olympics, which everyone is saying is the most spectactular show, so get ready, elektroI can do a google search for "endoftimes" too but thats not the point here. Please answer my questions in my post above, which I'm repasting here for your benefit
"Well if you read this thread you'd realize that I did my homework and am certainly not depending on you to do mine. But I am (maybe mistakenly) expecting you to do yours. Since you say you've "heard" christian missionaries quoting the above prophecies what you need to do is find where in the chrisitan texts they have these prophecies. For e.g. the hadith about the bedouins competing to build tall buildings, let's take that one for now. Did you here the christian missionaries voice that prophecy ? And if so did you check if it was indeed in the christian texts, or maybe THEY were cheating off bukhari ? And if you did indeed check, so did you find it in the christian texts ? And if not then why did you say that you heard these prophecies from christian missionaries? Looking forward to your answer.
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I can do a google search for "endoftimes" too but thats not the point here. Please answer my questions in my post above, which I'm repasting here for your benefit
"Well if you read this thread you'd realize that I did my homework and am certainly not depending on you to do mine. But I am (maybe mistakenly) expecting you to do yours. Since you say you've "heard" christian missionaries quoting the above prophecies what you need to do is find where in the chrisitan texts they have these prophecies. For e.g. the hadith about the bedouins competing to build tall buildings, let's take that one for now. Did you here the christian missionaries voice that prophecy ? And if so did you check if it was indeed in the christian texts, or maybe THEY were cheating off bukhari ? And if you did indeed check, so did you find it in the christian texts ? And if not then why did you say that you heard these prophecies from christian missionaries? Looking forward to your answer.
For this particular one I told you that actully there is a similar prophecies by Raam in Bhagavadgheeta, So please let me watch the greatest show on earth b4 the chaos.
Now let me ask what Prophesies have got to do with obeying God and the messenger? The Prophet denies knowing the future in the Qura'an which should be enough to discard any hadiths pretending to be of the Prophet prophesying the future. Only Allah knows when the hour is due.
You have wasted too much time on hadiths; go and spend time on reading the Quran and you would be obeying the messenger.
I will not oblige you with another response on this subject.
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Peace "dbrowser",
Yeah the Egyptians have camels too as does the UAE which is the hotspot of skyscraper construction. Either way, the prophecy came true. As for the Arabs surely knowing about the egyptians and their tall buildings, what tall buildings ? Skyscrapers weren't around till like earlier this century, that too in the states. "Bedouins will compete to build tall buildings" and whats happening in the UAE rite now - I mean come on to deny the similarity is a little too ignorant don't you think ? That's like saying the prophecy in the first few ayahs of Surah Rum are a coincidence.
And it's not just this one hadith or prophecy - check out the youtube video I posted in my first message here.
JK- MAN are pyramids not tall buildings? Ocourse they are. The hadith doesnt specifically say "skyscrapers" does it? So this hadith can apply to any tall building and there is probably not a people in the world who one day or another wont try to build larger and larger buildings. This is something which has always fasinated humans as one can see from the Egyptians. So the only ignorant thing would be to accept this as a significant prophecy. GOD Bless!
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For this particular one I told you that actully there is a similar prophecies by Raam in Bhagavadgheeta, So please let me watch the greatest show on earth b4 the chaos.
Now let me ask what Prophesies have got to do with obeying God and the messenger? The Prophet denies knowing the future in the Qura'an which should be enough to discard any hadiths pretending to be of the Prophet prophesying the future. Only Allah knows when the hour is due.
You have wasted too much time on hadiths; go and spend time on reading the Quran and you would be obeying the messenger.
I will not oblige you with another response on this subject.
ignoreok so lemme get this straight You come along, make a statement that you've heard these prophecies from christian missionaries. Then when I ask you to point me to the source, you say you've heard it from Raam. Then when I re-request you to point me to the source of your original claim, you runaway ? What's up with all the vagueness and not specifying your source? Wait do you even HAVE a base for everything you just said?
When someone makes a bunch of claims but when they're asked about the source they really don't have any, it means their words are baseless.
And yes please don't oblige me with any of your "answers", that really is a favor coz I'd rather not waste my time reading and responding to baselessness.
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Peace "dbrowser",
JK- MAN are pyramids not tall buildings?
And do we know for sure when the pyramids were built ? Before or after the prophet ?
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Peace --
- When a slave (lady) gives birth to her master.
- When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah. - REFER TO THIS http//study.grissomhome.com/wordpress/?p=25
The Prophet then recited "Verily, with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour..." (31. 34)
Contradiction! No future telling outside Qur?an...
469 Say "I was not (a) new invention/unprecedented from the messengers, and I do not know what will be made/done with me, nor with you, that I follow except what is being inspired/transmitted to me, and I am not except a clear/evident warner/giver of notice."
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Peace --
Contradiction! No future telling outside Qur?an...
469 Say "I was not (a) new invention/unprecedented from the messengers, and I do not know what will be made/done with me, nor with you, that I follow except what is being inspired/transmitted to me, and I am not except a clear/evident warner/giver of notice."
No contradiction!
The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any,
Except to him whom He chooses as an apostle; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him, -
No contradiction!
The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any,
Except to him whom He chooses as an apostle; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,Yes contradiction!!
"Verily, with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour..."
Above is a known "seen" FACT -- read it!
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ok so lemme get this straight You come along, make a statement that you've heard these prophecies from christian missionaries. Then when I ask you to point me to the source, you say you've heard it from Raam. Then when I re-request you to point me to the source of your original claim, you runaway ? What's up with all the vagueness and not specifying your source? Wait do you even HAVE a base for everything you just said? When someone makes a bunch of claims but when they're asked about the source they really don't have any, it means their words are baseless.
And yes please don't oblige me with any answers, that really is a favor coz I'd rather not waste my time reading and responding to baselessness.
Farida gave you referrences and the search terms that would give you the information you are requesting
plus a reference from the Bhagavad Gita.
There was nothing vague about it.
And, when I performed the search using the terms given....guess what? I got the information you are requesting.
Why don't you do as was suggested and Research it yourself.
YOU are responsible for your sight, hearing and intellect.
Its like the old saying....You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Salam,
Arnab -
Yes with Allah alone is knowledge of the hour. Nobody knows when the hour is. There is nothing in the Quran or the hadith for that matter which tells us WHEN the hour is.
But there are ayahs in the Quran telling us what happens on jdugement day etc. There is also an ayah in the Quran saying that the signs of judgement day have come, and that signs such as Yajuj Majuj etc will come. Therefore, the verse you quoted must be referring to WHEN the hour is.
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Farida gave you referrences and the search terms that would give you the information you are requesting
plus a reference from the Bhagavad Gita.
There was nothing vague about it.
And, when I performed the search using the terms given....guess what? I got the information you are requesting.
Why don't you do as was suggested and Research it yourself.
YOU are responsible for your sight, hearing and intellect.
Its like the old saying....You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Salam,
ArnabSalam Arnab,
I did search and guess what I didn't find it. Farida said she's heard the prophecies from christian missinoaries. Well guess what the prophecy about "the bedouins will be competing to build tall buildings" - I did NOT find it in the christiant texts or on sheikh google. But since you apparently did, please do me a favor and send that prophecy to me from the chrisitan texts and/or the gita. Thanks!Also "christianity" or "the gita" is not exactly considered a reference. If you really have a reference you be as specific as possible, down to the verse/page/chapter whatever #.
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Salam Arnab,
I did search and guess what I didn't find it. Farida said she's heard the prophecies from christian missinoaries. Well guess what the prophecy about "the bedouins will be competing to build tall buildings" - I did NOT find it in the christiant texts or on sheikh google. But since you apparently did, please do me a favor and send that prophecy to me from the chrisitan texts and/or the gita. Thanks!Salam,
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Salam,
Arnab -
Salam,
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Salam,
ArnabNO ? That means you didn't find it ?
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Peace "dbrowser",
JK- The pyramids were built way before the Prophet Muhammad. Infact they were built way before Prophet Jesus was born. GOD Bless!
and how do you know this ? Through history ? Which we know is the most unreliable source of facts. You get my point ?
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Peace "dbrowser",
and how do you know this ? Through history ? Which we know is the most unreliable source of facts. You get my point ?
JK- MAN im sorry to say but if you ddidnt know this then you lack basic archaeology lessons. Theres accurate archaeological evidence for this. Here
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids#Construction_dates
The pyramids have been dated using various dating methods by modern scientific means. There can be no dount about here date just like there isnt tht the earth is billions of years old and not just a couple of thousand. GOD Bless! -
Peace "dbrowser",
JK- MAN im sorry to say but if you ddidnt know this then you lack basic archaeology lessons. Theres accurate archaeological evidence for this. Here
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids#Construction_dates
The pyramids have been dated using various dating methods by modern scientific means. There can be no dount about here date just like there isnt tht the earth is billions of years old and not just a couple of thousand. GOD Bless!No need to be sorry JK, that's not all there is to it. See the basic premise we believe in is that the Quran is the only 100% reliable, undoctored text ever. Everything else - well man has touched it. That's why the hadith gets bashed, coz all said and done, its the result of man's efforts. So if we're not gonna believe the hadith, which the sunnis say is the result of intense scholarly work and an effort to preserve the prophets words, why do believe what we read in a science book, written by non believers - the same people who teach our kids in schools that we came from monkeys ? I mean if we're gonna reject something on the basis that it's man work and therefore unreliable, at least let's be consistent. It makes no sense to bash a hadith but then accept research by non believers who are the same people who believe in evolution. Come on now! lol!