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  • How can we better the debates?
    A AbeAbraham

    How can we better the debates?

    Y'all are making it too complicated, folks. You can have all the rules and guidelines in the world. It's nice to read them with no ever-lasting effect. Couple of days, perhaps?

    Keep it simple! Follow/emulate the styles of Layth and Tay and Arnold. You rarely see them getting on the soapbox.

    They participate when and only it is appropriate to do so. And when and only they have something meaningful to say. And when they say something, it means something.

    A Fellow Freeminder

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  • The Obsession to translate the untranslatable.
    A AbeAbraham

    peace brother Tay,

    Feel free to ask Liaquat about it, he is open to approach from my experience. He will know the reasons better than I.

    Hmmm. Didn't realize Brother Liaquat is the co-author of QXP by Dr. Shabbir. I have a copy of QXP and his name isn't even mentioned. Sounds like a case of "intellectual
    theft" by Dr. Shabbir.

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  • The Message - Update
    A AbeAbraham

    Arnold,

    I don't see your article on Jinns (Human Leaders??).

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  • Judge a faith by its founder, not by its followers
    A AbeAbraham

    Dear OneWay,

    Peace and blessings!

    Shall we follow the human-made Laws as they exist today or that which existed a hundred years ago and got replaced by the current law? The Final Revelation of God, Al-Quran is the Watcher over previous scriptures. It corrects that which has been tampered with. The answer could be very long, but let's have the Qur'an deal with it by itself.

    21 A.L.M. Alif. Laam. Mim. Allah, Aleem - the Knower, Latif - the Unfathomable, Majeed - the Magnificent, knows and understands your needs.

    22 This Book is the Guidance you asked for! There is absolutely no doubt concerning its authority and authenticity. This Divine Writ, Al-Qur?an, is a Monograph that finds its own way from your mind to your heart. And you will soon notice, as you proceed, that this Scripture leaves no lingering doubts in a sincere, seeking heart or mind. If you remember that this is a Book of Guidance, and hence, consult with it as such, the glittering reality will dawn upon you that this is a Beacon of Light! It is a Guide for all those who wish to journey through life in true honor and security.

    548 To you (O Messenger) We have sent the Book in Sure Truth confirming the Divine Origin of whatever Scripture was before it. The Qur?an is the Watcher over the old Scriptures and guards the Truth in them. So, Judge between people by that which Allah has revealed to you and follow not their wishes away from the Truth that has come to you. Now has come to all of you the Divine Law, and a traced-out Way. If Allah had willed, He could have made all of you humans a single community. But, He decided to let you choose your own path after showing you the Truth, and thus test yourselves. Outdo one another in actions that serve humanity and thus grow your ?Self?. To Allah is your final destination; of all of you. Then He will make you understand where you differ.

    Respectfully and briefly presented here are the thoughts of some great Judeo-Christian scholars about the authenticity of the Bible. Please know that no insult is intended. Critical studies by Muslim scholars are being carefully excluded.

    IS BIBLE THE WORD OF GOD?

    • The Old and the New Testaments cannot be considered the Word of God. They are nothing but a human effort to connect with God. They are books about Him and not from Him. (The Annihilation of Man - Leslie Paul)

    • So, Pope Gregory 1, the Great had this to say in 590 CE Ignorance is the mother of devotion. (The Teachings of Jesus - Prof. K. U. Dean)

    • Question is often raised why the Jews and Christians take the irrational Bible as divine. Especially the Western mind has a lot to learn in this regard. Religion to them is a patrimony which they must respect because it has been inherited. (Warfare of Science and Theology - Andrew W. White)

    • It is important to know what the Church ignores (and hides) and why. (What Christians and Muslims Should Know About Themselves - Robert W. Mond)

    • The Protestants dropped 14 books from the Bible. (Is Bible The Bible? - Rev. Charles Darling - 1843 CE)

    • The ablest Christian writers and chronologists differ to the extent of 3,500 years in fixing the time of every event in the Bible. (Christianity before Christ - Kersey Graves)

    • All books of the Bible have been tampered with enormously. (The History of the Church - Bishop of Caesarea, Eusebius Pamphili, 260-339 CE)

    • The New Testament scripture was picked at the Council of Nicea in 325 CE, and ratified no sooner than at the Council of Hippo Regius in 393 CE, the Synod of Carthage in 397 CE, and the Carthaginian Council in 419 CE. (The Cross and the Crescent - Rev. Dr. Jerald F. Dirks)

    • But the Eastern Churches agreed with this proposed canon in 508 CE, only after the Syriac translation was modified catering to their demands. (Is Bible God's Word? - Joseph Webb)

    • The Council of Nicea was convened by Emperor Constantine in 325 CE to formulate a uniform Christian doctrine. It began with 2,048 delegates but 1,730 of them had to be turned out for grave disputes. The remaining 318 delegates failed to reach an agreement as to which ones of the 5,000 scriptural writings should be authorized by the Church. Eventually, all the writings were placed on the floor in a 'closed' room. One morning found some books and letters lying on the table. They were taken as holy and, thus, canonized! History is silent about the mysteries of those nights. (Historical Aspects of the Council of Nicea - Rev. Isaac Boyle)

    • The Old Testament has been subjected to human addition and deletions. Many of the stories in it are mere fiction. (Valentine's Jewish Encyclopedia)

    • The ultimate selection of the books to be included in the Old Testament was a human, and not divine, decision. (Judaism as Creed and Life - Joseph Sullivan)

    • Joseph Lewis opens his masterpiece book, The Bible Unmasked (1926) thus This book is dedicated in all seriousness to rabbis, priests and ministers, in the hope that it may bring them to realize the fraud they are perpetrating by preaching the Bible as the Word of God, and as a moral and intellectual guide for the human race.

    Quranic Divinity

  • Help regarding "book awards"
    A AbeAbraham

    Dear Edip,

    When is "Quran A Reformist Translation" going to be available for purchase?

    Thanks!

    Abe

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  • help me!
    A AbeAbraham

    Dear Edip,

    When is the Reformist Translation going to be available?

    Thanks!

    Abe

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  • Understanding The Koran: In the Language of the Quraish
    A AbeAbraham

    Understanding the Quraan - The Quraan is in the Language of the Quraish

    By Ash-Sheikh Ayub A. Hamid, Al-Azhar, Cairo

    Whether a person studies the Qur-aan directly without placing much reliance on the existing translations, Tafaaseer and commentaries or studies with the help of existing scholarly works, the following principles must be employed for understanding or deriving conclusions, evaluating which translations and commentaries to rely upon, and which opinions to accept or reject The Qur-aan is in the Language of the Quraish

    The Holy Qur-aan was revealed in the Arabic language considered authentic by the literary authorities of the Quraish at the time of the Prophet, all Allaahu`alayhi wa sallam. To understand its message as it was meant to be understood, naturally, the first prerequisite is the knowledge of the language of that era.

    Every language has its nuances of style, idioms and usage, all of which change with time. To appreciate a literary work and to fully comprehend its compositional impact and its literary subtleties, a reader must be knowledgeable about those nuances of style, idiom and usage of the time when the literature was produced, not merely the contemporary language; e.g. Chaucer?s or Shakespeare?s English as compared to contemporary English.

    The same is true for the Qur-aan. One cannot pick up contemporary dictionaries and lexicons and try to decipher the meaning of the Qur-aan. The reader of the Qur-aan or the author who translates or explains the Qur-aan must be well-versed in the literary (Faseeh) Arabic of the time of the Prophet, all Allaahu`alayhi wa sallam. He should be able to discern the subtleties of the idioms and usage of that period. To be able to do so, he should have a command of the poetry of the celebrated poets and speeches of the eloquent orators of that era such as Qis bin Saaidah, Labeed, Imra-ul-Qais, Amr bin Kulthoom, and Zuahir.

    Only such a person will be able to understand the wisdom and beauty of the choice of the words used by Allaah Subhaanahu wa Ta`aala in a particular context or to express a particular idea. It was that literary language in which the Qur-aan was revealed. It was those authorities on Arabic language who were stunned by the miraculous beauty and elegance of Qur-aanic prose. To understand the Qur-aanic message and the nuances of its text, knowledge of their language and culture is an absolute necessity.

    It is not the colloquial Arabic, dictionaries compiled by non-Muslim orientalists or modern dictionaries that determines the meanings of the Qur-aan, but the Arabic usage and idiom of the time of the Prophet, all Allaahu`alayhi wa sallam as documented by the works of the early scholars of Islam. For that purpose, mastery of the language and the poetry of that time is critically essential for which we must rely on those linguistic authorities who have dedicated their live in acquiring and retaining that knowledge. Those who know only the contemporary Arabic used in the modern Arabic magazines and newspapers or those who try to translate with the help of orientalists? dictionaries may end up deducing wrong conclusions.

    Some commentators of the Holy Qur-aan tend to rely on contemporary dictionaries and search for meanings of the words that suit their mindset instead of taking the meanings established in the literature of the Prophet all Allaahualayhi wa sallam?s time. Naturally, as noted above, such authors may misunderstand or totally miss the point of the Qur-aanic text. Many non-Arabic people assume that Arabic speaking people have a better understanding of Qur-aan and its language. That is mostly not true. Unless an Arab Muslim has given special time and attention to learn the language of the Qur-aan (Language of the Quraish at the time of the Prophet, all Allaahualayhi wa sallam), he is as much prone to the danger of deriving wrong conclusions from the Qur-aan as any non-Arabic speaking person.

    A Tafseer written by a person well versed in literary Arabic will have quotations and references to indicate the usage during the Prophet, all Allaahualayhi wa sallam?s time. Hence, when reflecting on the Qur-aan in order to understand it properly, the readers must rely on the commentaries of the Qur-aan written by those who have acquired expertise in the Arabic language and usage of the time of the Prophet, all Allaahualayhi wa sallam. Such scholars will give examples of usage from literary giants of Makkah in support of a meaning they take for a word that is different from its commonly understood meaning.

    Some people may think that if we do not resort to the new meanings given in the contemporary dictionaries, the miraculous nature of the words of the Qur-aan, as are being discovered through modern scientific research, will not be possible. Far from it, in fact, all the miracles of the Qur-aan that have been brought to light through scientific discoveries have been possible only by referring to the original meanings of the words at the time of the Prophet, all Allaahu`alayhi wa sallam.

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Of Martyrs & Virgins & Grapes
    A AbeAbraham

    Of Martyrs & Virgins & Grapes
    August 4, 2004
    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF / New York Times

    "The virgins are calling you," Mohamed Atta wrote reassuringly to his fellow hijackers just before 9/11.

    It has long been a staple of Islam that Muslim martyrs will go to paradise and marry 72 black-eyed virgins. But a growing body of rigorous scholarship on the Koran points to a less sensual paradise - and, more important, may offer a step away from fundamentalism and toward a reawakening of the Islamic world.

    Some Islamic theologians protest that the point was companionship, never heavenly sex. Others have interpreted the pleasures quite explicitly; one, al-Suyuti, wrote that sex in paradise is pretty much continual and so glorious that "were you to experience it in this world you would faint."

    But now the same tools that historians, linguists and archaeologists have applied to the Bible for about 150 years are beginning to be applied to the Koran. The results are explosive.

    The Koran is beautifully written, but often obscure. One reason is that the Arabic language was born as a written language with the Koran, and there's growing evidence that many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic.

    For example, the Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get "hur," and the word was taken by early commentators to mean "virgins," hence those 72 consorts. But in Aramaic, hur meant "white" and was commonly used to mean "white grapes."

    Some martyrs arriving in paradise may regard a bunch of grapes as a letdown. But the scholar who pioneered this pathbreaking research, using the pseudonym Christoph Luxenberg for security reasons, noted in an e-mail interview that grapes made more sense in context because the Koran compares them to crystal and pearls, and because contemporary accounts have paradise abounding with fruit, especially white grapes.

    Dr. Luxenberg's analysis, which has drawn raves from many scholars, also transforms the meaning of the verse that is sometimes cited to require women to wear veils. Instead of instructing pious women "to draw their veils over their bosoms," he says, it advises them to "buckle their belts around their hips."

    Likewise, a reference to Muhammad as "ummi" has been interpreted to mean he was illiterate, making his Koranic revelations all the more astonishing. But some scholars argue that this simply means he was not "of the book," in the sense that he was neither Christian nor Jewish.

    Islam has a tradition of vigorous interpretation and adjustment, called ijtihad, but Koranic interpretation remains frozen in the model of classical commentaries written nearly two centuries after the prophet's death. The
    history of the rise and fall of great powers over the last 3,000 years underscores that only when people are able to debate issues freely - when religious taboos fade - can intellectual inquiry lead to scientific discovery, economic revolution and powerful new civilizations. "The taboos are still great" on such Koranic scholarship, notes Gabriel Said Reynolds, an Islam expert at the University of Notre Dame. He called the new scholarship on early Islam "a first step" to an intellectual awakening.

    But Muslim fundamentalists regard the Koran - every word of it - as God's own language, and they have violently attacked freethinking scholars as heretics. So Muslim intellectuals have been intimidated, and Islam has often been transmitted by narrow-minded extremists.

    This problem is not confined to Islam. On my blog,

    http//www.nytimes.com/kristofresponds

    I've been battling with fans of the Christian fundamentalist "Left Behind" series. Some are eager to see me left behind.

    Still, there are encouraging signs. Islamic feminists are emerging to argue for religious interpretations leading to greater gender equality. An Iranian theologian has called for more study of the Koran's Syriac roots. Tunisian and German scholars are collaborating on a new critical edition
    of the Koran based on the earliest manuscripts. And just last week, Iran freed Hashem Aghajari, who had been sentenced to death for questioning harsh interpretations of Islam.

    "The breaking of the sometimes erroneous bonds in the religious tradition will be the condition for a positive evolution in other scientific and intellectual domains," Dr. Luxenberg says.

    The world has a huge stake in seeing the Islamic world get on its feet again. The obstacle is not the Koran or Islam, but fundamentalism, and I hope that this scholarship is a sign of an incipient Islamic Reformation - and that future terrorist recruits will be promised not 72 black-eyed
    virgins, but just a plateful of grapes.

    Questions/Comments on the Quran
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