Is that precisely true, for example I have been booted out of numerous forums for apparently no other reason, than I have happened to have a different opinion to that of the moderators. Now, forums are private organizations and I accept it is legitimate that they can have rules, so for example if say there is a Catholic forum and they have a rule that all postings must be in compliance with the "fact" as they would see it, that, Jesus was God's only begotten son and if a poster sought to argue that Jesus was was not the son of God, it would be at the discretion of the moderators to boot the poster out or not, but in many forums one can be in total compliance with the stated forum rules and seeming ethos of the forum and be booted out merely for having different opinions to the moderators. For example would it be acceptable here to argue that Jesus was the son of God and the Koran was in error on that or would one get booted for that? Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer I have written a topic here before about how Koranist should save the Muslim population of the West. This is a big problem as Islam after 9-11 is being attacked and many Muslims find out that many of the things these critics(Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Ayaan Ali, Irshad manji, Wafa Sultan etc) are saying are not lies but actual truths regarding "Islamic" teachings that many Islamic activists and clerics either hid or tried to spin. They then feel disappointd or feel under seige as they are not able to defend these teachings anymore. Some decide to apostate from Islam altogether. Many of us here went through stages where we were Ikhwanis, then Salafis, then maybe Sufis(traditionalist) before realizing the difference between them is fictitous. But by being active we were able to find the Koranic way which as a literature that was burried under all these scholarly books and hadiths that it is almost impossible to know what the Koran actually says. Even now, I am still learning the Koran and still find myself realizing that the Koran says different things than what I thought. This even though I have been frequenting this site for almost three years now. Its very hard to know the Koran when you are already told in your home, school and mosques what Islam is and isn't. Thats why this website is very important as it gives people to opportunity to know the Koran. Many Muslims simply do not really know what the Koran has to say about issues because they already have a preconceived notion of the Koran. You have to detoxicate yourself from everything you were told and believed and this is not easy and takes time. When many of those who apostated from Islam watch me debate non Muslims and refute their criticism, many of these ex-Muslims and even Sunnis are confused and many think i am lying. They can't believe that so many things in Islam are not Koranic and even contradict the Koran. They can't believe the verses I quote and the ease I silence the critics. "This can't be Islam" they tell themselves. "This all can't be just hadiths and not the Koran. The Koran can't be actually saying these things. All these verses about freedom and justice and tolerance and all these verses that seems to contradict what Sunnis and Shias say, this can't be true." This trend will continue if the only people speaking for Islam are Sunnis or Shias. They can not defend Islam from their critics because these are the teachings of these sects. Many of the Sunnis like the way i am defending Muhammad from his critics, but deep down they know this is not what they were taught and is contrary to the Islam they know and believe and are confused. They are not able to defend Muhammad from his critics and find themselves invoking the old" what about the Bible, what about Christianity and the West, you are no better". Other than that they can't do anything else. On the other hand you have the Jews and Christians. They hate to recognize the Koranist as being true representatives of the Koran because the attacks they use against Islam are almost exclusively hadith based. They are not able to attack the Koran so they try to only give legitimacy to sectarian Islam by saying we are just a few people, and we are not considered Muslims by mainstream Islam and the Koran is insufficient on its own because its vague and ambiguous and we need hadiths to understand Islam. They talk just like Sunnis and repeat the Sunni jargon. They do this because the hadith to them is the golden treasure they need to attack Islam. These trends I have noticed in many forums withing the groups I said. The ex Muslims, religious Sunnis and Jewish or Christian critics. The others are laid back. That is a very nice speech Bigmo, but if I am right in thinking you are the same Bigmo as posts in the Liberalforum, you are exhibiting the same characteristic you frequently do there, of talking at me not with me, in that I can not see what relevance my prior remarks have, to what you have said. How does that resolve the issue of you posting verses from the noble Koran without you indicating where those verses came from? How does that resolve the issue of you presumably cutting and pasting articles and not giving the weblink? Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer