You have already got your answers. But just ask them the following questions

1. How do you connect the following obeying the messenger = obeying bukhari's hadith books?

2. Why call a religious book Sahih al-Bukhari or Jami` at-Tirmidhi instead of Sahih Traditions of Muhammad if the hadiths came from Prophet Muhammad?

3. If hadiths are supposed to explain Quran, why did they leave out the scientific facts found in its verses which later nonMuslims had to show to Muslims?

4. If hadiths are supposed to explain Quran why did they leave out the following Surahs 23, 27, 29, 35, 51, 57, 58, 64, 67, 69, 70, 73, 76, 81, 82, 86, 88, 89, 90, 94, 100, 101, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, and 109?

5. Where are the original manuscripts of Bukhari showing the application of hadith science in his work?

6. Bukhari's collected hadiths were preserved, but why was his first biography allowed to be lost?

7. Shafi was known as the architect of Islam, meaning he was such an important person. Then why very little is known about his earlier days and why his first biography is also lost?

8. How did Bukhari hear 600,000 hadiths from 1,000 men when his admirer and teacher Ibn Hanbal with whom he worked knew millions of hadiths which he tried to even live passionately and almost got him prophethood?

9. How many people went on tour with Mr Bukhari to collect hadiths? Not known? Move to next question.

10. It is claimed that Bukhari traveled to places also to collect hadiths. Who went to verify he did so by meeting the same people from whom he collected the hadiths?

11. Where in Quran Sunnah of Prophet is mentioned?

12. Hadiths say "kill exMuslims". Does this mean in order to stay alive they should "pretend" to be Muslim? Isn't this forcing of deception?

13. Does Allah say that we must believe in the messenger and follow hadith in which so many sayings are fabricated?

14. Science of hadith talks about investigating narrators' truthfulness. What tools did they use to analyze the truthfulness of people died hundred years ago?

15. Can you use support from Quran that Shafi was right when he said hikmah means sunnah? Unfortunately, he did't do it in his own writing.

16. Do you really believe that pious people like sahabas discussed and even scattered around stories of Prophet Muhammad's sex life and bathroom activities?

17. Do you really believe Prophet's wife Aisha talked about her intimate moments with a bunch of men and women?

18. What would be your reaction if you come to know that your wife has been going around the neighborhood spreading details of what you do during sex?

19. Why the great narrator of 2000 hadiths is called Abu Hurairah throughout the hadith books instead of Abd al-Rahman which happens to be his Islamic name?

20. What is the definition of sahih according to Bukhari?

21. Who sponsored hadith collection tour of Mr Bukhari?

22. Do you consider prophet Ibrahim to be Muslim? If yes did he say "There is one God and Muhammad is his messenger? In that sense, who was Ibhrahim to you? (Don't bring up the idiotic hadith about it, bring Quranic proof).

23. You claim that sahabas wrote down the hadiths. Why didn't they do the same for Quran several times like this?

24. Can you prove Chinese whisper gives correct stories? Do you have a research paper to support your answer?

25. We are told to believe that Sahians were honest and truthful. But then why are there three versions of the incident of why flogging of Ahmed ibn Hanbal was stopped?

26. Would you do a standardized exam by reading its prep book containing contradicting statements?

27. Bukhari came around 230 years after the prophet passed. How did the Muslims practice Islam about 10 years before Bukhair collected them?

28. Out of 600,000, only 6,000 were seen as authentic by Bukhari. Does this mean the early Muslims all follow a huge amount of false hadiths?

29. Can you swear that all hadiths found in the books are correct? If not why do you tell others to accept them?

30. Allah proves that he is protecting the Quran through its Binary Symmetric structure and by giving Muslims the power to memorize the entire book. What such proof do you have that he is protecting hadiths also?

Thank you for your time, i appreciate the efforts

Salaam,

You are welcome

i sent you messages with the verses you requested, these are some of what i found, sorry for sending it twice, i could not find them in my messages tab so i think they didn't reach you can you confirm if you got my messages?

Salaam bro,

You are welcome.
Thanks for your reply.

When you said it's not then the chapter of history is closed. Brother, we cannot rely on any book on earth except for alQuraan. And Allah is not going to ask us about history when we are raised again, but He will ask us about our deeds. So, deeds are important to us that too based on the syllabus given to us i.e.,AlQuraan only.

If history is important then why do you think Allah didn't said anything about it or why He didn't ask us to follow it. Or at least He could have said that you search and find something important in history and follow it or add it to your knowledge. Instead He said Please click on the aayat for different translations.

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When we have everything in detail in the Book we have in our hands, then why look for other books which contains lot of contradictions? .

Now how the history is important?

When it is not mentioned in alQuraan/alKitaab then it is surely not important. Better to be an Abd-Allah instead of a Quraanist )

Sorry for not being clear, my apologize. My English is very poor -. And we are not going to get another change. So, is it not better to be on a safer side and try to follow only what we are asked to in alQuraan?

I understand it is really important to study what is given to us and that is the purpose of our lives to serve Allah alone. And believe me brother, our life time is not even enough to study the Book called alQuraan. So, why to waste our time studying other books?

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You did not answer to the question asked bro.
If it is not in alQuraan then that is not important at all.

I don't believe in wars and violence mentioned in alQuraan.
Look at 230 were shedding blood is used in negative sense and they were given knowledge from their Lord about it.

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Red part above shows clearly that fighting,war and blood shed is an azaab from Allah. Please think about it and seek Allah's help in understanding them correctly.

Sorry for long post bro )

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

i'll take your post for consideration thank you, you had some good points there and there

He isn't too much into the current Academic standards or views maybe though. Someday the Academia might follow the views of Man of Faith, but for now the mainstream opinion of Muslim and Non-Muslim scholars differ from the views of Man of Faith in a great many respects.

but those same academics are used to prove the hadith tridition is false

I am a controversial member with my views, but I consider that the current interpretation of Quran is mainly bogus and that there were no wars. An important reason for this is because the word (qatal) commonly used to refer to kill is viewed by my independent research not to refer to killing but to defeat/subdue/master someone (or something) and it does not come forth from the word alone if the person dies or not, and it could be a verbal conflict as well, for example you lecture someone about something and they yield to your words.

Current Islam including all that are in those hadith stories are fabricated. I find that Islam was fabricated by clerics in the 7th-8th centuries as a political weapon. How the current interpretation is tailored can give a hint at that if one is objective towards it. Quran is authentic, but it is like someone would just throw dirt over the text and then just simply come up with meanings out of the blue.

Regarding Ali I am also curious, but I have theories that this man wrote Quran and there never was any person called Muhammad. To be Muhammad is the goal in the real "islam" that Quran preaches by itself.

I know it is considered heretical to hold these views by a lot of people.

Be well

will actually academic synonymously agreed that such a man as Muhammad did exist using non muslim sources that exist along with the 7th century

Wa Alaikum Salaam,

Thanks for being clear.

I have few questions about you if you don't mind answering it

• Is history a guidance in anyways? Any aayat supports this?
• Did Allah asked us to follow or look out for history?
• Did Allah asked to be a Quraanist?
• What you know about prophets' life mentioned in alQuraan?
• Why do you need Ali for?
• Why do you believe in alQuraan if it not clear to you?
• Do you believe in wars and fighting mentioned in alQuraan?

Please get back with the aayaat of alQuraan if possible. Then we can discuss further, inshaAllah.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

thanks for the kind response

Is history a guidance in anyways? Any aayat supports this?

it's not but, having knowledge in our prophet life is, for example the bible says alot about jesus, but also maintain guidance for morality

Did Allah asked us to follow or look out for history?

as far as I'm consurn no, but history you have to agree is important

Did Allah asked to be a Quraanist?

will the view of rejecting hadith and only accepting the Quran is called Quranism, but it's not mentioned in the Quran

What you know about prophets' life mentioned in alQuraan?

i know from the Hadith but are you referring to the only 4 reference of Muhammad in the Quran? can you make the Question more clearler

Why do you need Ali for?

to know the history of the prophet family, and follow from their example aswell, without the hadith we won't even know who he is

Why do you believe in alQuraan if it not clear to you?
i do belive in it. i'm just saying how do you counter the lack of historical arguments in the Quran

Do you believe in wars and fighting mentioned in alQuraan?
yes battles and preparing for them and verses that deals with violence are mentioned in the Quran

Salam alikum, keep have noticed a dangerous trend among ex Muslims, us of them claim to have been followers of the quran only movement, in such any sunni or Shia who become a quran only they are more likely to be on the branch of leaving islam duo to the fact that alot of ex Muslims were quran only muslims before they leave the faith

Do you think this is the case?

Salam Alikum

i have friends who are sunnis and they gave a challenge to Quran only followers and asked the following to be answered

please make this a friendly discussion

the challenge is as follows

1. The Prophet (P) came to explain the Quran (Q. 1644 and 1664).

2. Prophet Muhammed (P) was sent to instruct the Quran with wisdom (Q. 2129 and 622, 2151, and 3164)

3. Authority of the Prophet Muhammed (P) that they make Him Judge in all matters and accept Him in full conviction (Q. 465).

How can they say the Prophet (p) was just a post-man if he was also sent to do the above?

If the Quran is fully explained in detail why does the Quran state that the Prophet (p) was also instructed to do all the above?

thank you for your time

peace

Salam Alikum

I'm a sunni muslim (looking forward for Quranism) all i can recall is that there is one thing keeping me from being a Quranist, and that is Lack of historical content, for example when the Quran speak about a battle, it talks about it in terms of who won and lost, but it doesn't speak about the place where the battle waged, the lack of historical content is also predominant in-terms of the Prophet peace be upon him family, for example Ali is not mentioned in the Quran, there is little info about the prophet life in the Quran

i guess you see where I'm going at, i'm just interested in your answers

and please no hate and insults and mockery, take it as you are inviting someone to islam