Peace Ayman and others rejecting all numerology in Quran,

I'm a person who believes in the Quran and I believe some of the numerology is actually very impressive. I would like to provide the most fascinating example that I know and question your reasons for rejecting it.

What do you think about the calculations under the heading "Mathematical Design of the Basmalah" over here http//www.submission.org/beyond.html. Can you be objective, think honestly and then decide?

I think that's a very very deliberate pattern. You take those different numbers that represent the same words, put them between the sequence numbers, and the concatenated long number becomes divisible by 19. This is very much beyond 1/19. It's not just a combination of some events having a very low probability (which would be easy to reject), it's a combination of very highly coupled events happening at the same time. It's a deliberate pattern being satisfied over and over. It's also exhaustive to a degree. Do you think this is just a coincidence? Now you may say, some facts towards the end seem arbitrary. If this makes you deny the deliberate pattern through facts 2-9, do you think you are being honest? Is this not a consistent rule being applied over and over, generating the same pattern? Does it matter how many trials it took for the person who discovered this?

You made a point against numerology in Quran by pointing out the messengership claim of RK. If there was a deliberate pattern in Quran, (hypothetically) one that you accepted, would it matter who found it? Would it matter that the person that initiated this not only said that he was a messenger, but actually did all kinds of terrible acts? Would the identity of the person who discovered something that you (hypothetically) accepted be any reason to reject it? Would it be any different than a homophobe not using computers because Alan Turing was gay?

Similarly, would your attitude against numerology in Quran be any different if acknowledging some of it might lead to rejecting two verses? I believe a lot of people look at RK's identity, and rejection of two verses, and then decide that they won't see any pattern, rather than looking at the pattern objectively and then decide.

Also, are some bad examples of numerology making you discard other good ones? Do you need to reject everything numerological in Quran because you need to reject the bad ones?

Would gematrical values not being used at the time of Quran's revelation change anything? Would gematrical value system being derived from Hebrew letters change anything? Is God not able to create a system back then that uses something that happens in the future? Does the information have to be available at that time on earth, for God to be able to use it? Does God not have full control over what happens on earth?

If we stretch this question, does the Quran we are supposed to be using have to be exactly the same as the one that first got scribed? Is God not powerful enough to control how it changes? Is God not capable of authenticating the one we end up receiving with some code?

Re Lobster
Would aliens be able to control the temporal properties of the discovery? (1974, 19x74=1406)

Sorry for the long post, I hope you don't get stuck on some points and ignore others that I made.

Regards.