Jumping in here, and I think I see what you're saying noshirk.

Reading the verses containing the word to me it looks like an excessive addition to a loan/payment or to put it in common terms, ripping people off. Trade is ok, people make profits from trade and that's how trade works. Charging more than is acceptable would be riba. So called Islamic banks just change the name of interest to profit share, the process is no different.

Living in Egypt and being a white foreigner I am quoted a riba amount for most things, I am expected to pay more than a local person so therefore more than is acceptable for trade.

Although I agree on your last statement, there are thousands of 'false sheikhs' peddling their opinions worldwide and making a living from it, religion is not for sale, belief is not for sale.

Dear Brother do you think or believe that the book Quran as we have today was written by Allah himself? It was not, it was written by people like you and me. They wrote it according to the rules of their language, just like every one writes his/her language.

17.88 Say "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

11.13 Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak the truth!

10.38 Or do they say, "He forged it"? say "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"

223-24 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

peace

Nothing wrong in reading and following the best of ......... Bukhari, Muslim, Plato, Homer, Hesiod, Aristotle, Patience Strong or your uncle Jack, just don't take it as 'part of religion or Islam'

Concerning stoning in OT, or Torah, yes for certain things, one of which was 'abrogated' or changed to lashing in Quran.

Follow the religion of Abraham...........who was before Moses and any of the books we know of.

peace

Salamun alaiki,

None of the Muslims claim the Messengers are god in the flesh either.

No but many IMPLY that in some way or other even if only by idolizing him. IMHO.

There seems merely difference of angle. None has said that the Messenger is God personified. Mercy- is a verbal noun that shows a state.
Embodiment signifies

1. giving concrete form to an abstract concept
2. a concrete representation of an otherwise nebulous concept; "a circle was the embodiment of his concept of life"
3. a new personification of a familiar idea; "the embodiment of hope"; "the incarnation of evil"; "the very avatar of cunning"

It cannot be stretched as you have stretched it to denote.

"Person of the Leader of Humanity, the Messenger and Personification of the Infinite Mercy of Allah the Exalted. "

personified past participle, past tense of per?son?i?fy (Verb)
Verb
Represent (a quality or concept) by a figure in human form.
Attribute a personal nature or human characteristics to (something nonhuman).

per?son?i?fi?ca?tion Show IPA
noun

1. the attribution of a personal nature or character to inanimate objects or abstract notions, especially as a rhetorical figure.
2. the representation of a thing or abstraction in the form of a person, as in art.
3. the person or thing embodying a quality or the like; an embodiment or incarnation He is the personification of tact.
   4.an imaginary person or creature conceived or figured to represent a thing or abstraction.
   5.the act of personifying.

Sorry maz but this is no different to how later Christians ran away with the idea that Jesus was God in the flesh or/and His son, which was also NOT said but could be 'implied'.

I am only telling you what I see as a native English speaker peace

Salamun alaiki,

You may please overlook this part so that I can have feedback of you on the main body of article. However, some of the translations about this issue are hereunder---Ayah 21107

Muhammad Asad And We have sent thee as grace towards all the worlds. M. M. Pickthall We sent thee not save as a mercy for the peoples.
Shakir And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.
Yusuf Ali We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar And We sent thee not but as a mercy for the worlds.
Wahiduddin Khan We have sent you forth as a mercy to all mankind.
T.B.Irving We have merely sent you as a mercy for the Universe.
We did not send you O Muhammad for a reason other than to symbolize, and serve as an embodiment of mercy which Allah has extended to all His creatures,

Yes I agree, there are others who add words that aren't there to claim the messenger is God 'personified' too but the next verse shows his mission.

Say "What has come to me by inspiration is that your Allah is One Allah will ye therefore bow to His Will (in Islam)?"

Just as all the other prophets, including the Word of Allah and the Messiah, were only men used to bring a message, so was this one. We make no distinction among them (and we do not claim they are God in the flesh either - or His son)
peace

Salamun alaiki,

Thanks.

As ever a struggle to read and aside from the messenger being God in person, some of that does actually make sense! peace

Salamun alaiki,

Thanks.

Now I wish I hadn't clicked and I've only read the first bit!

"This Subject was also chosen by some Psychological manipulators with tilted psyche and self nurtured disease of animosity, jealousy, bias, envy, and aversion against the Person of the Leader of Humanity, the Messenger and Personification of the Infinite Mercy of Allah the Exalted. "

You appear to have made the messenger God in the flesh. peace

peace,

if i read this ayat/verse, without the brackets, i understand the prophets taking the covenant of Allah, are asking the followers "i have given u the Book and the wisdom from Him."

"later, a messenger as conformer of the wisdom u have, will come." "u - the followers, firmly believe and assist the messenger." "So, will u adhere and agree this", said the prophet. the followers answered "yes, we'll adhere". then the prophet said, "bear witness, and i'll also be a witness among witnesses".

i understand that every prophet, say these words, to their followers. as, the messengers will be coming till the judgement day to prove the Ayats of Koran.

note i'm new to Koran. i read in my native language. i come from an idol worshiping family. i left idol worshiping after reading Koran. Koran gives me so much meaning to my life.

Salam DrGm

This is spoken to the prophets by God, not to the followers by the prophets as I understand it. An agreement between God and His prophets, although the following verse leads me more to confusion as it's talking about turning back after this leads to transgression, which one would assume prophets wouldn't do.

As this is being spoken TO a particular prophet telling him of what was past (covenant with previous prophets) I don't agree with the majority that this was also taken with THAT prophet, although I'm open to learning on that one!

That said, I also don't understand how dead prophets can 'believe and assist' a living one that comes after them, so you might actually have a good point.

peace

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/000.%20Encyclopaedia%20of%20Arabic%20of%20Qur'aan/5.%20MUHAMMAD%20sas/08.%20Covenant-Mesaaq%20of%20the%20Chosen%20and%20Elevated%20Nabiyeen.htmThe Covenant between Allah the Exalted and His Chosen, Dignified and Exalted Sincere Allegiants

Links to a blank page Maz peace

Peace All.

The Master Hypnotist's effectiveness lies in the fact that the majority of humans have chosen to remain under his domination and control.

He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone." He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you."

Satan advises his "Muslim" allies not to accept the Quran alone. He tells the "Christians" to accept Jesus as God or son of God. He tells them to limit the extent that they will believe everything in the scripture. And Satan instructs the humans to resist the signs of God.

As soon as the human chooses NOT to uphold the Word of God ALONE and worship God ALONE, the Master Hypnotist robs and strips the human of his mind. Satan even makes his followers believe that they are guided.

He (God) guides some people while others are committed to straying. They have chosen the devils as their masters, instead of God, YET THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GUIDED.

What is wrong with us? Are we to believe there is another book beside Qoran? Is Al-amiyr claiming to have another truth?

Wake up believers! See it for what it is ! Wishful thinking and deceit.

Peace.

Salam

I find this post amusing coming from one who promotes the number 19 as some 'miracle' and think maybe you should read your words again with that in mind.

There is The Book, Quran tells you that and it's not Quran or 'the people of The Book' would not refer to those following Torah and Gospel ...............................and Quran.

5677-79 Quran is only part of The Book, the book is something none shall touch only those who are pure, which means it's not for everyone. Torah Gospel and Quran all have the same 'message' from The Book, the same guidance from the God.

peace

A question for you if you do not mind, "How many jumps do you do in a day?" WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW- - - - - - - - - ->

Jumps? Sorry I don't know what you mean, could you clarify please.

peace

salaam+ to all

After sixteen hours working very hard to get the lessons done, I haven't succeeded to complete tonight's lessen to my satisfaction. I hope to upload after a few hours rest another three posts inshaa allaah.

I don't understand why all this time spent when you have already said you have been teaching this for years and it's been on numerous forums already. Surely all the prep is done and it's a matter of copy and paste now?

peace

If you can handle huge fonts and can stomach reading each word individually and centred, then go and read the entire "story" here http//thehiddenbook.net/EnterRead.html

Thank you but it's now been moved peace

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Salaam
No one knows when the world will end, this knowledge is with ALLAH(swt) only.

Salam farida, yes I know this, my comment was tongue in cheek

However Maya calendar generated a fever that the world will end on the 21 Dec, I never took interest in Maya calender until I stared reading brother Al-amiyr?s threads on this forum and than for the first time I looked at Maya symbols closely and saw Hunab Ku which is a Yucatec Maya word meaning "The Only God"
See for yourself if you recognize any signs
https//www.google.co.uk/search?q=hunab+ku+meaning&hl=en&tbo=u&rlz=1T4ADRA_enGB487GB487&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=x_7SUJ26AfOa1AWc1IGABg&ved=0CEwQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=598

I have no doubt the Mayan knew much more than we did, as did the Ancient Egyptians and many other 'lost' people, but don't see what this has to do with 'the end' of the world. This happening has happened before and we are all still here, the changes that will happen have happened before so hopefully humans will survive it. There is a change happening though and the 'heavenly bodies' are lining up for it. I will be viewing the sunrise tomorrow at Karnak Temple as it's a special one sun InshaAllah I will survive with photos yay

@savage_carrot, salaam warahmah...

blood lines are important because Allah says so...

Where please? peace

What about Abraham's father?

This means, when you are not eating it for some reason, how could you ask others to eat it!

This was partly the reason I said option 1. Declining it is not going to let it waste, you could ask that it be donated elsewhere like a Christian homeless shelter or anywhere else as opposed to accepting it then disposing however.

peace

I would say decline it. peace

Peace -- so how many fingers and toes 10+10?

Or do you comb the universe only report 0.05263157894% of it and ignore/hide 0.94736842106% of the rest it?

not to mention the Golden Ratio http//www.goldennumber.net/solar-system/

When The British conquered the middle east in the late 1800 (sorry if I am wrong) 1'st world war was between Germany and Britain for control of oil in middle east. Anyway , they thought carefully about who to put in power in each of the new countries they formed and named. Guess who they put. the most hypocrite people that they could find. As Example Arabia. don't take my word for it Read.

o a whole part of my history I knew nothing about but I doubt this has anything to do with the UK muslims being over zealous, most of the over zealous sunni muslims in UK are of Pakistani descent. peace

997 The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Apostle But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
Al-aAArabu ashaddu kufran wanifaqanwaajdaru alla yaAAlamoo hudooda ma anzalaAllahu AAala rasoolihi waAllahuAAaleemun hakeemun

Always wondered why that is translated this way when they Arabic just says 'the Arabs' ???

Asbabul nuzul is reasons for revelation. It's a concept in traditional Islamic studies that some tafseer (exegesis) is derived from.
If tafseer means New Revelation, then according to Qur'an, its verses were Tafseer to the Prophet's contemporaries who questioned why the Qur'an was revealed intermittently.

Salaam

25.32 Those who reject Faith say "Why is not the Qur'an revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed), that We may strengthen thy heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually.
25.33 And no question do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the truth and the best explanation (thereof).

if you think about the time of revelation there would be thousands of questions thrown at the prophet. He was told not to hasten with it.

75.16 Move not thy tongue concerning the (Qur'an) to make haste therewith.
75.17 It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it
75.18 But when We have promulgated it, follow thou its recital (as promulgated)
75.19 Nay more, it is for Us to explain it (and make it clear)

I don't go with the traditional hadith belief that each question thrown at him was then answered by revelation but more a 'shut up and wait, it's coming' type of thing. Point was that many were too much in haste and were more thinking about what to ask than trying to make sense of what was being revealed.

peace