salam bachton ,

the word " manazil / stages or phases " is only used for the moon in the verse 105

105 ( It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it stages - that you may know the number of years and account . Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know)

salam wakas,
10.5. Huwa allathee jaAAala alshshamsa diyaan waalqamara nooran waqaddarahu manazila .......

diyaan = masculin
nooran = masculin
hu= masculin
In the end this is neither the Moon nor the Sun which is used to measure, but the light that they emit (Sun) or reflected (Moon), such as the phases of the Moon the Moon and as the light of day for the Sun, therefore the 'hu' male tells us about the male 'light'?

translate in french
Au final ce n?est ni la lune ni le soleil qui sert ? la mesure, mais la lumi?re qu?ils ?mettent (soleil) ou refl?t(lune), comme celle des phases lunaire pour la lune et comme la lumi?re du jour pour le soleil, donc le ? hu ? masculin nous parle de la ? lumi?re ?masculin ???

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The sun and the moon are a one united mechanism , but the sun it self in its orbits is not mentioned in the quran to be a tool to determine years and counts , the tool for this is the moon only using indirectly the reflected light of the sun at dark ( night ) ( they are one unified mechanism , but we use only the moon to witness the years and the count )

As for 127

• 17 - 12

1712 (And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account . And everything We have set out in detail.)

This verse is mentioning that allaah has mad the sign of the day/light visible because if the sign of the day wasn't visible you could not distinguish between day/light and the night so you cant make any count because you can't know the concept of one full day ( night + daylight) ...with no light visible mobasser , to distinguish between night and day there would be no way to count ...imagine the day is all night with no daylight you will make no difference as how many days passed and how many left , you see the point ? the daylight role from the sun is to distinguish between night and daylight so we can distinguish between days so we can count , you can count by that system only without the moon but you'll never know exactly when the year has finished , also it's very hard and useless that someone use the tool of the day to count 60 days or 40 nights , the easiest and the tool designed for that is the Moon by its stages , also the count of the years is practical through the count of the numbers of months ( full moon to the next full moon ) , and the qur'an told us that they are twelve 12 .

This verse is not pointing at all that we should use the sun as a tool to know the count and the years , but the sun itself is indirectly used by the swap of night and daylight . so the only tool to be used for the count and the years is the moon stages , the sun is already withing that mechanism

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Moon stages to be used to determin number of days so number of months number of year...withouth the sun it would be impoosible to distinguish between naight and daylight so the count become impossible as it will be a expended monotone state "sardmad "

• 28 - 71

2871 ( Say, "Have you considered if Allah should make for you the night continuous until the Day of Resurrection, what other than Allah could bring you light ( diaA )? Then will you not hear?&quot

The light (diaA ) from the sun is used to distinguish between night and daylight so we can start to count using the moon , without the light of the sun the tool of the moon is useless because the moon is in need of the light ( diaA ) to be visible , it's the Sun who make the moon mechanism visible so can used it for the counting , so the sun is indirectly used in the mechanism of the moon and that is what was meant in 1712 . notice that is the DiaA which is used in 105 not the sun as it's pointing to the light itself , it is pointing to the concept of making things visible and distinguishable

Salam Wakas ,

In my understanding the answer to your below question

lies on your same post in first statement below

Salam Pazuzu ,

I believe too that rmdh is to indicate a seasonal period , but i personally do not see that is about the period of maximum heat , the word ramdhaan is following too the pattern fa3lan explained below

Mean that the rmdh has accrued and expended to reach it's maximum , then the rmdh will finish after reaching the stage of its fullness . So yes the term shahr Ramadan is pointing to the period where the rmdh has reached its maximum.

This thread theory believe that Ramadhan is the scorching heat period , i personally don't think so and i will inshaA allaah try to prove that from the Quran and connected to other evidence .

The whole theory of the period of Ramadan and the concept and nature and the length of the fast is not consistent according to this thread and need major reviewing so we come inchaA allaah to the better understanding , with respect to the sincere effort ,study and research of who contributed to uncover the veils about this topic , and may allaah reward them for their sincere effort and guide us all to what is nearer to this in comprehension .

peace,
Hello

Sorry for my English

Verse 10/5 uses "manazil' for the Moon and the Sun, so if ?manazil? is a backward step, this explains clearly that for the Moon that begins with the full moon as the stress Dr. Ayman, but also to the Sun and it cannot start with the summer solstice since (c) its highest point in a year.

So when verse 10/5 use them term following 'Sun and Moon', why link only the Moon and not the Sun which is also measured in backward step.

Which confirms the theory of Dr. Ayman in explaining that the year begins with the summer solstice.

What do you think.

do you speack french??????

In the middle east the moon appears more dramatic due to the dusty atmosphere of the desert which refracts the moon light even more and gives it more red appearance. The Arabs must have been fascinated by this red hot moon that signals the hot time of the year and this is why they called it the scorching full moon/"shahr ramadan". Please post pictures if you can. You can use websites such as http//tinypic.com/ to upload the pics and share the links here.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman

salam,

Excuse me for my English

When I read the work of Dr. AYMAN, I ask the question of the exact date of the fasting period, despite are explanation I assumed "layl qadr" was refers to the Equinox of September and not to the summer solstice, but reading the verse 10/5 my open mind on something else.

Being that give ?manazil? means a backward step, as for the moon with one as starting with a full moon, why the Sun which is also involved in this verse would not also this specificity?

But how to measure it, since there is no system of Crescent?

It remains more than his race in the sky which allows to determine these backward steps "manazil.

so to respect the principle of ?manazil? we measure it in are the highest step to start the calculation.

still us more than the solstice the Sun highest summer before descending.

Another verse States that persons who complete the "hajj" can once again hunt. This implies that they come out of the 4 moons restrictive and that the last restricted Moon is linked to the "hajj" and not to the young.

When do you think?

peace, Ayman and more

Sorry for my English but I little speak your language and I the use a translator to read and express me

I always ask the question whether it was the moment of the breaking of the fast and reading these verses I think understand how determining the beginning and the end of the period of prayer to the dawn and the sunset, and this will also determine the time of breaking the fast.

Here is the reason for my analysis

56.75.

56.75. Nay, I swear by the places of the stars

56.75. Fala oqsimu bimawaqiAAi alnnujoomi

16.16.

16.16. And landmarks (too), and by the star they find a way.

16.16. WaAAalamatin wabialnnajmi hum yahtadoona

6.97.

6.97. And He it is Who hath set for you the stars that ye may guide your course by them amid the darkness of the land and the sea We have detailed Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.

These verses explain that the stars are cosmic benchmarks, and not a measurement tool, but complements the Sun and the Moon

52.49.

52.49. And in the night time also hymn His praise, and at the setting of the stars.

52.49. Wamina allayli fasabbihhu wa-idbara alnnujoomi

This verse explains that the end of the appearance of Star plurals so less than three stars determines the exact time of the dawn, and by mirroring this also applies to the sunset with the appearance in the sky of a minimum of 3 stars to define accurately the night, thus breaking the fast. I is not need stress you that the appearance or disappearance of the Sun at the horizon determines the end or the beginning of the prayers.

What think you?

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Et ce verset explique que la fin de l?apparition d??toile aux pluriels donc moins de trois ?toiles d?termine le moment exact de l?aube, et par effet miroir cela s?applique aussi au coucher du soleil avec l?apparition dans le ciel d?un minimum de 3 ?toiles pour d?finir avec exactitude la nuit, donc la rupture du je?ne.

salam Ayman or more,
do you speack french please???