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  • If Allah wants things to be easy for us, why so much confusion about salat?
    B Bahr53

    Salaam

    Now you as me has come to conclusion that blind obedience is blind,
    and rituals is as most Muslims do, are just that BLIND. BUT...
    There is a but, think about before and now, and the transformation you as me have gone through
    in FAITH. The question is, are we closer to Allah now?

    Me I have never stopped reading and searching and trying out my spiritual life,
    and with all my faults, I do think this is for a reason. Yes I do think the blind rituals is blind,
    not necessarily bad, but blind. You tease me because I do pray the ritual prayers when I am with
    Rahma, and soon you also will be with a new man, leading him to Islam.

    I have re-read "the Fourth way" (you need to buy it and study it, it will lead to many
    understandings, so please buy it) and I have come to the conclusion that ritual prayer CAN also be a TOOL.

    Think of friends that have lost faith, they does not any more know what to do, how to connect,
    and ritual prayer is such a tool for us that see it as this. How to "remember", how to submit, how to
    bend and discipline ourself?? I have come to the conclusion that we do need tools.
    Yes many put to much emphasis on the tool, but read the old "Sufis", how even them that were in a
    more direct contact and was in deeper understanding, they still did the ritual prayers.
    Ask ourself why??

    You may at first glance disagree with me, and laugh, that is OK, I am not afraid to see and say that
    I have started to see things differently. When I saw my daughter, bend with her sister, for me
    it was a revelation. WE do NEED this, yes we do.

    Also with spouse, we need to do some prayer, not the 5 or whatever, but at least every day, to
    bend to His will, to KNOW that we ARE Muslims, we are a unity with all our faults, and I am sure you with
    your understanding and background will free many from slavery, but lead to submission to Him.

    I know this seems strange, but I have given it much thought and asked for understanding. It is NOT
    an easy way out, and I have no reason to please anybody, and I am sure the Muslims and Aidid Safar and all,
    will call me a heretic. But our whole purpose is to search for truth and Him.

    So think about it and do not just pass a quick judgement, as whatever I say is not to mislead or twist anything.

    Anyway, I am sure you will in time come to your own understanding, so May Allah guide us all.

    Bahr

    Salat & Zakat

  • Every verse that has to do with salat?
    B Bahr53

    Salamun Aleikum
    So based on this, Solaah is "commitment" to Allah's Deen.
    How to fully commit is a different subject, but I am not sure one
    purify oneself by endless meditating on Allah's name or His atributes
    like in Sufism or such.

    I just wonder if one does purify ones inner by doing good deeds on the outer,
    that the change comes by outer action, not by inner "blankness". To me
    Allah's book is mostly about "how to". So His Deen is action, how to behave and
    how to rule a society just.

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Every verse that has to do with salat?
    B Bahr53

    Salaamun Aleikum
    Proof you ask.
    I would rather say I posted from the book "Mental Bondage" to create interest
    in it so you all download it, read it and research the issues therein. A more clever
    man than me have gone into this in much detail, so why not read the book an then
    maybe there is no need for more questions.
    So please, feel free to read it, free for download here.
    Bahr

    Free English book refuting Hadith for download in PDF format
    http//www.box.net/shared/5tgzvctcf5

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Every verse that has to do with salat?
    B Bahr53

    4-102. And if you are with them and you hold the affirmation for them, then let a
    group from amongst them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; and
    when they have prostrated then let them stand guard from behind; and let a
    group who has not yet affirmed come and affirm with you, and let them be
    wary and let them bring their weapons with them. The rejecters hope that you
    would neglect your weapons and goods so they can come upon you in one
    blow. There is no sin upon you if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill,
    that you place down your weapons. And be wary. God has prepared for the
    rejecters a humiliating retribution.

    What about 4103 where God says the Sol-laa-ta are done at specified times?
    It is our duty to do certain deeds at specific times through the day from morning to dusk and also parts of the night, from the sinking of the sun at noon till the darkness of the night. That means 24/7. The verse says we are committed to do certain things at the specified times. We must do what we have to do when it is time and do it diligently.
    If we are traders we must maintain our commitments not cheat or earn by excessive profiteering. If a beggar or a poor man comes to us at nine in the morning, we should not tell him to come back at 1 o?clock. If our workers have worked for us we should not delay or postpone their wages. If we promise to see somebody at 3.00 p.m. then we should uphold that commitment to the man by meeting him at 3.00 p.m. sharp because God says, ?They fulfil their promises when they make their promise?. Fulfilling our promises is part of the commitment.

    How did the Prophet lead the ritual prayers for the non-believers according to (your reading of) 4101-102?
    In-naal kafirin nakanu lakum ?aduwun mubin, wa-izza konta fi-hem fa-aqom-ta lahum Sol-laa-ta (4101-102)
    Surely the disbelievers are your manifest enemy, And when you are in their midst you shall lead them in Sol-laa (ritual prayer?) (4101-102)
    ? How can the ritual prayer of the Prophet console people or make them happy? (9103)
    ? When you are in sudden disaster or facing sudden death, how can the two strangers who are to be witnesses (and who may not know anything about the Arab religion) perform the ritual prayer before swearing to God that they will be truthful? (5106)
    ? How did all the people of a town and those living in the surrounding areas preserve their ritual prayer (wa hum alaa Sol-laa-tihim haafizuun) as soon as they heard the message of the Reading (692)? It may have included non-believers, Christians or Jews.
    ? Why is it that yuSollu means ritual prayer in 4102 but in 3356 it means honour and support?

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Recommended books on Quran/Islam & related topics
    B Bahr53

    Salaam
    Here you can download these books, http//www.box.net/shared/5tgzvctcf5

    • Arab Conspiracies against Islam
    • Argument against ritual prayer
    • Construction of Mecca
    • Hadith a re-evaluation
    • Hadith research, the myth of hadith
    • Hadith Debate, and what is Salaat
    • Mental Bondage (in the name of God)
    • MY JOURNEY FROM THE CHRISTIANITY OF AHLUL SUNNAH WAL JAMAAH TO THE ISLAM OF THE PROPHET
    • Natural Republic
    • No fasting
    • No hate of Jews in the Quran
    • Quran, Hadith and Islam
    • The history of Hadith
    • The MessengerInfo from the Quran
    • Turkey reform of Islam
    • Where did Muhammed live

    Free English book refuting Hadith for download in PDF format
    http//www.box.net/shared/5tgzvctcf5

    Fem gode linker/Five good links

    http//aididsafar.com/

    http//merahza.wordpress.com/

    http//www.free-minds.org/

    http//iyb.blogspot.com/

    http//aboutquran.com/

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Every verse that has to do with salat?
    B Bahr53

    Salaam Yara
    If you re-read the article from Aidid Safar you see that Salaah/Solaa etc have nothing whatsoever to ritual prayer. It means comitting yourself to Allah's Deen Islam, that is DOING what Allah tells us in the Quran. It is all about action, like not corrupting the earth (pollution), do good deeds, help the poor and there are many stories and sayings in the Quran on what to DO.

    And when it comes to PRAYER we call on Allah the Merciful (or any of His attribute, as I believe it is NOT enough to just call on Allah or God, you MUST add some of His atributes, like the Creator, The Maker of all etc) we can do that anytime in any position we feel the need to adopt.

    Free English book refuting Hadith for download in PDF format
    http//www.box.net/shared/5tgzvctcf5

    Fem gode linker/Five good links

    http//aididsafar.com/

    http//merahza.wordpress.com/

    http//www.free-minds.org/

    http//iyb.blogspot.com/

    http//aboutquran.com/

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Prayer in masjid
    B Bahr53

    Salaamun Aleikum
    Me. I have stopped going to Masjiid, they promote Hislam (Hadith-Islam) instead of Allahs Deen Islaam.
    Also since there are NO RITUALS in Islam, there are no point of joining a ritual prayer not glorifying Allah alone.
    Bahr

    General Issues / Questions

  • Every verse that has to do with salat?
    B Bahr53

    ?Humble themselves consentingly? becomes ?bow and prostrate?
    Posted on January 5, 2009 by Aidid Safar

    The last phrase in 2125 is wa-roka?is-sujud, which means those who humble themselves consenting. The religionists have mangled the meaning here and say it means to physically bow and prostrate. It embroils a regimented body movement only worthy of pagan rituals.

    Physical bowing and prostrating have become the critical components of the body movements in the Arab religion. Without these pantomimed movements their rituals will become redundant and useless. They believe the instruction of these body movements were ordained by God by virtue of 2125 and 2226.

    For many centuries, non-Arabs who have mastered the Arabic language have allowed themselves to be subjugated by the religionists without verifying simple words by reference to other verses in the Reading. Having discovered this, I feel sorry for the Muslims who perform these silly body movements without verifying the correctness of their understanding from their own Book.

    Since they are conditioned to believe that the word bayta in 2125 means the house, naturally, bayti-ya in the same verse must mean My house. Although they do not physically cleanse God?s house, they derive tremendous satisfaction by circumambulating the Cube. The Muslims were made to believe that the meaning of the passage in 2125 is

    Thor-hira Cleanse the house.

    Thor-iffin Walk around the house (because they believe the religionists who say that the word Tho-iffin has the same meaning as the word Thawwaf. However, these two words are not the same).

    a?kiffin Retreat to a house.

    wa-roka? is sujud Bow and prostrate physically to a house (since they also believe the word roka? is sujud is physical bowing and prostrating).

    Since they proudly claim Islam abhors all images and icons, how can they not notice that the religious rites they faithfully observe are blatant idol-worship? Do they not devote their faith and bow and prostrate to a physical house?

    If their answer is no

    • Then why do they say it is ?God?s house??
    • Why do they use the expression baytul-lah which is not found in the Reading?

    The truth is the innovators of the Arab religion have been very successful in deceiving people. They make their followers perform ridiculous body movements without telling them why. Yet they cannot even answer these simple questions!

    No modern Arab or scholar of the Arab religion can provide intelligent answers to these basic questions

    • Is the stone house in Mecca God?s house or baytul-lah?
    • Why is God not inside His house - or is He?
    • Why do they have to bow and prostrate to the rocks carved by the Arab?
    • Are they prostrating to God or to the rocks?
    • Why do they walk around the house and in an anti-clockwise direction?
    • If they are prostrating to God and not the rock hunk, can we move the stone structure to Japan, Australia, Canada, Mexico or other countries?
    • Would their pilgrimage ritual and their five daily ritual prayers be nullified without making the rock hunk as their focal point.

    Of course, the crux of the matter lies in simple logic. If they worship the house, they need to say that God is present in it. If that is the case - fine. However, if God does not live in the Cube, they are venerating the cube-idol. All they have to do is prove that God is in there.

    If no sensible answer is forthcoming from the religionists themselves, why then should the Muslims continue to put their trust in the religionists? Perhaps they naively assume it is not harmful to follow the religionists blindly. The pertinent question is whether obeying such absurdity will save them from the Hell Fire? Is it worthwhile ignoring something so important by not verifying the correctness of its meaning by using one?s own common sense? According to the Reading ?the worst creatures at the sight of God are those who do not use their common sense?.

    Is it not time yet for the sensible Muslims to come to their senses and seek forgiveness and mercy from their Lord while they still can? Is it so difficult for them to be sincere to Him alone in pursuing for His grace and pleasure? These are some of the fundamental questions the non-Arabs should consider seriously.

    The religionists have, indeed, twisted the meaning of many words in the Reading to divert mankind from the path of God including wa-roka?is-sujud in 2125 which simply means those who humble themselves consentingly.

    The message in 2125 is that Abraham was directed to the system and had diligently committed himself to devote and humble himself with consent to the will of God in the system. His son Ishmael was similarly committed, and both of them cleansed the system for throngs of people who are devoted and also those who humble1 themselves consentingly to the same system. Abraham and Ishmael were not devoting themselves to a physical house, neither have they circumambulated, or bow and prostrate physically to some rocks. Those who follow the footsteps of Abraham are not expected to bow or prostrate to anything. They should devote and humble themselves by consenting themselves to the same system by upholding their commitments to observe the deen prescribed by God. That is all that is meant.

    There is no verse in the Reading that implies that roka?is-sujud carries the sense of physical bowing and prostrating.

    1 Humble, humbling or humbled is derived from the word ruku?. Humble people feel they are not important or good enough to criticise others or to have much attention paid to them by other people. God told the children of Israel to be humble to accept His revelations. In 243 He said, ?war-ka?u-ma?al-ror-ke-en?

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