Bender, very nicely observed indeed!
I have a Warsh edition.
Unfortunately it is a downloaded copy which I printed and had bound.
It is not printed and bound by a Muslim printing publisher, and you just wont believe how Muslims just do not believe that my copy is also authentic.
I sat with an Imaam and he completely refuses to accept that what I have is a Quran used in North Africa.
I need a Warsh edition printed by a Muslim publisher.
if you can help me, please let me know.
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Dear all,
I am looking for a nice Warsh edition of the Quran.
I understand it is used in North Africa.
I am from South Africa and it is difficult to get hold of any Quran translations other than the Hafs edition 1924.
look in your bookcase
I have a Warsh edition, and there is also 52 times where Allah is spoken to as "He", and not "I" or "We"!
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Hi Bender,
I don't now what is Arsh is but I believe it mean Kursi.
I thought this was translated as throne but could be wrong.
Arsh
Kursi
both do not like chairs to me.
Either way also the Throne is meant.
Salam
Ed
Then it just depends I think on one "image" of God and ones definition of Throne.
btw where are your manners? I welcomed you, even shook your hand, but no thank you.
What's the matter with you? (x2)
The most common form of inheritance is for children and universally applied is the concept that males get double the female, that seems not to make you blink, but for most uncommon case of one daughter and 10 sons, for instance you get all overboard. If you had been so outraged at women consistently getting half in every case even when they are the only child, I would have had more understanding. As it is really you get upset for a very rare "unjust" distribution and you shut up when universal injsutice against women is practiced.
When people are so biased it is hard to ake them seriously.
Salaam
ok
4.11
2 daughters and 3 sons all would get each the same amount
3 daughters and 3 sons The women would get two thirds and the sons 1 third
1 daughter and 3 sons she gets half, the sons get the other half
You are of course totally ok with this?
This is justice?
Sorry I thought we were talking about the verse where it implies (or so we think) men getting more money.
I wish it had just said "divide equally" but nah the verse doesn't say that.
ANYWAY...
peacee?eeeeeeeeeeeeeeew peace peace peace
But you did not complain when you heard the pro women version of Huruf, you actually applauded it.
Hi, on basis of what it says if 3+ daughters and what part of verse does not make sense?
There is no wisdom behind the distribution, at least I don't see any.
It's a lottery based on the distribution of genders, and besides that it's not a fair lottery.
Hi EdQ welcome to the forum handshake
Do you mean the quranic word Arsh or Kursi or maybe some other word?
Or just the English word Throne?
Hi Bender,
Children
411 ? so if be/are (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (females)
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 * 2 = 2/3) what left
2/3 * $90 = $60 three daughters (2/9 * $90 = $20 each)
1/3 * $90 = $30 ten sons ($3 each)
Hi,
For me this simply does not make sense.
On basis of what should the females in this family get almost 7 times more than the males?
but men get more money .... haha one would call that sexist.
Where you come from does not represent the world.
And trying to change it the other way around in favor of women is just the same religion, just a gender switch.
But lets act we do not see that, lets close our eyes
no divine being could be sexist. only humans are.
this is how it is
or
its not an argument, its just two sides of the coin and i just shared my opinion.
You say "no divine being could be sexist" and then you give 2 sexist models.
So, how could both of them be from God? Like I said God is not a sexist, both are nonsense.
Please don't say things like that because honestly its a salafi's job to downplay other peoples opinions and speculations, a free minder should be open to hear from all.
I am open to hear all opinions from any one, but I hate nonsense, be it from a man or woman or poster I like or a poster I don't like.
If people do not like their views questioned then most of times people have something to hide.
Peace, typically girls get equal share or more and odd for centuries people read 3+ = 2 and exactly 2 = 3+ as well.
Hi,
How should $90 be split between 3f and 10m in your model, and how with 3f and 1m?
Salam Bender
If you really think of it......
Many traditionalists support the fact that men get more because men need to spend on women...
But if you think of it up until the 21st century everywhere around the world men earned and women stayed at home. A woman's entire livelihood was dependant on her husband. Very rare for a woman to earn.. so doesn't it make MORE sense for it to be pro woman and for women to get more? I mean since men are going to get money by earning and women aren't they could use extra money as support and protection if anything ever happened to their breadwinner.
How easily you find excuses when there is an advantage for you.
I just know so many women who stayed in abusive relationships because they had no finances to escape (not just muslim women women everywhere). It just makes more sense for God to wanna give her an extra protection rather than less... so I'm hoping huruf the wise yay bravo rotfl is correct.
Ok that's clear.
But fortunately God is not a sexist.
How is it flipping the the coin to give the same amount the three of two daughters and a son?
So if women are not given hal the male but the same amount it is flipping the coin? I am ashtounded.
Salaam
$90 dollars 3 females and 10 males
according to your understanding or at least how I understand what you wrote will be split like this
3 females get $60 and 10 males get $30 ($20/f and $3/m)
But on the other hand if there is 1 male and 3 females then the females still get $20 each but the male does not get $30 but equal to what the females get thus also $20, why and what happens with the $10?
OF COURSE this is how I understood your posts in this thread and in another thread some days ago.
If you meant something else please share your understanding how things should be split in the example I gave, thus $90 and 3 females and 10 males.
And $90 and 1 male and 3 females.
When I read the first part it sounded like they must get equal portions. But then the second line above got me confused. If wealth is distributed equally between the two females, then there will be nothing left for the son.
It's flipping the coin the other way around for some weird reasons.
Anyway thank you for being honest handshake
btw. both sides of the coin are nonsense, making it pro women does not make something right.
He did take 10.000 BR, which is about 3200 USD. That is sufficient for a couple of months in Brazil, for a single person not paying rent.
Then there should be another party involved as he is kind of a celebrity at the moment, he can't go to a shop.
Yeah, that was weird. But I did notice lots of exaggerated claims coming out of Brazil.
It's a police matter so I think the vanishing is a fact, but where he is gone is the question and of course in such cases you will find the most creative ideas of what could have happened.
Can be possible that the entire family is connected to this movie. I am just suspicious because of this
I did not read much about it but to me it looks like the mother and sister are not involved, but you never know.
Anyways, according to the dutch news site this website is build to try to decipher what he left.
Very jealous at the detective(s) on this case, how many times do you get a Dan Brown mission as a criminal investigator?
If I was on the case and I would find him somewhere hiding in a cave then I will shoot him myself.
He should be at least be kidnapped by the freemasonry but I prefer aliens.
It's already a couple of weeks if he is not found dead somewhere, I think he will come back as a messiah and start his own sect.
Hi RECKLESS welcome to the forum handshake
Like you said whatever direction we face there is God.
If you think that facing Mecca is the direction then I do not see why it should be wrong, it's just 1 of the endless directions.
the cattle's ear is a poor one
Totally agree, a typical primitive understanding.
Just reading it in English reads as an anti-climax (unquranic), 2 powerful statements and then something childish like that
I will mislead them (BOOM!), and I will create in them false desires (BOOM!); I will order them to slit the ears of cattle ( whatever ),
NO not at all I'm not saying that. I'm just saying while the Book didn't forbid slavery (but discouraged it highly and told us to be good) but definately didn't allow free sex unlike these sectarians claim
The book forbids every oppression, including slavery. Sex with slaves is just a crime on crime.