Europe have suffered a strong dechristianization since Neopagan Reinassance until nowadays, going through French Revolution, etc.

Now Europe confront 1.- cultural marxism-feminism-multiculturalism, 2.- neopagan-nationalism (different of patriotism)- cult of vital energy, 3.- usury, 4.- sect called islam and islamization.

All of them are social engineering made by the rabid enemies of the Word of God.

When Europe left the Word of God we are seeing like a grotesque kermesse of followers of social engineering systems all them created in order to separate humanity from God, our Father. Some of them come from inside and another come from outside but all them are from the Darkness. All them have in common that they hate and lie ad infinitum and prefer arogance, rules and power instead humbleness, conscience and love.

May the Word of God will remain between the brave people that is attached to it in Egypt, Syria and Middle East.

It's time for all the people who want to preserve the Link between humanity and its Father to shut up, be humble and ready to act.

Well if a read a book I expect a proper name of the author, not just "me Olaf". Also I am surpr4ised to say the least that all your sources are kosher, that is, not a single Arab. It is like were I to read a Spanish history and borbid myself from reading any spanish historian of any persuasion.Of course I do not doubt that any European will always know more about anything that any Arab even about himself, because only europeans or people of european extraction are deserving of trust, but still... I like a bit of diversity and local colour.

And what I have overread, well it is like a story but not like history. When I read history specially such long stretches I expect more explaining of sources and wherefrom come what the historian says. Otherwise I do nto see any difference between that and any piece of fiction.

Of course what I have said about europeans and arabs is sarcasm. Honesty and integrity have no home or rather should be at home anywhere, but unfortunately honesty when it comes to Islam and Arabs is very usually very much mistreated, and taken for granted that there is no need of such honesty or integrity when it comes to arabs and muslims.

To sum up I see no reason to spend any time treating myself to another overbearing tirado over "the truth about Islam or Arabs". And without questionning that hadith literature is not a guaranty of anything, frankly why disdain real Arab historians? You would not be telling us that they don't exist would you?

Salaam

Saludos desde Espa?a,

Honesty has no home but racism neither.

In Spain we said CADA UNO EN SU CASA Y DIOS EN LA DE TODOS (each one at his/her home and God in every home).

What I see now in the streets of Europe is hadith religion trying to impose darkness and ignorance and despising europeans in a racist and phanatical way. People claiming for human rights they do not respect and acting with unlimited arogance.

For sure is bad that europeans want to teach arabs about their past (even if in History the most important is accuracy and not the origin of the historian) but is worst arabs want to teach europeans how to act in present and future, with the only hope of demographic numbers.

Also as a spanish my History teach me what is the only language that hadith people understand.

Wonders me why some arab-hadith follower people want to live in Europe instead in very rich arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Emirates, etc. Arabs are destroying arabs countries influenced by Christianity or by indoeuropean-non arab Iran and are promoting Sunni Empire in Middle East and the conquer of Europe.

P.S. For understand completely spanish History the best is to read english historians... just sometimes they do best than us, may be because when we had Inquisition they had Isaac Newton. Most important thing is the Truth (sometimes hurts human nafs), be enough patient to search it and enough humble to admit it.

The title of this thread is totally blasphemous.

I agree.

Pantheism is quite dangerous.

I voted "only certain types".

Classical music (pre-romantic) like Vivaldi, Bach, Mozart, Haydn, etc. is very good.
Turkish sufi and classical music is very good.
Some folk music is just ok, nor bad neither good.
Rock and roll and majority of pop music of MTV and all this is simply crap, garbage, Shaytan's music.

It depends if the music is seeking armony and elevation of the soul or is seeking to excite the nafs and the lowest passions.

Even an egyptian salafist that says, as a good salafist, that music is haram said to me that if we both were in a car and I put Mozart, he wouldn't be annoyed but ok. Not the same with rock and roll.

Another aspect is songs with lyrics about love, girls, "I cannot live without you", etc. = absolute crap, no matter singing in english, arab, spanish or urdu.

lol I just want to add

People act as if Europe is a united region. The truth is that Europeans hate each other more than anything. The Swedes here want to leave the EU(European union), because they don't want to associate themselves with other Europeans and because they find that the EU is somehow "destroying" their country. Eastern-Europe hate Western-Europe more than anything. Europe is becoming more miserable(due to conservatist-nationalists christians), it's a divided region. It bothers me when people think Europe is somehow united, a common thing. Europe has always destroyed itself.. Like for example during WW-1 were millions died in Europe, and then you had the same thing during WW2.

I hate also European Union, but regarding hate between europeans I think that it's true like in another continents (ex. black africans hate each other, turks and kurds, civil war in Syria, etc.).

You know that in Europe you're free to talk about religions, you can be a foreign salafist, you can be conservative christian, you can be practically all... but you cannot talk with real freedom about Adolf Hitler and WW2. There is an official version and if you say something against it, you'll go to jail.

Europe lost WW2 and was invaded and occupied (and still remain in this situation) by Middle Eastern bankers from U.S.A. and marxist U.S.S.R. Nowadays, they are forcing massive inmigration in order to destroy our societies and, as everybody knows that the best allies of Wall Street are Saudia Arabia, Qatar, etc.

Conservative christians are puppets of Wall Street, no matter their speeches. Europe is the land of european peoples and I'm talking about race and not about religion... a bosniak muslim is as european as a croatian catholic and both fighted with the SS in WW2.

We don't hate another people but everybody have their homeland. Arabs have their homeland and, talking about races the christian arabs are as arabs as the muslim ones.

Bosniaks, albanians, pomacs (slavics) or european reverted muslim are european.
Coptic egyptian, Syria or Lebanon christians are arabs.
Chinese confucian, muslim (Hui people) or christian are chinese and fight for Chine. Uigur people are against Chine no because religion but because they are turks and not chinese.

I don't want a christian Europe but another different (I cannot talk free) and european muslims will be free the same of european christians. No european people (no matter their religion) could live in Europe in a little number but never as a massive inmigration like today happens.

Hitler commited the mistake of anti-slavic and anti-russian geopolitics, but this time European Homeland will be one from Portugal and Ireland to Vladivostok, with a no religious but racialist axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow. As you know all the tale abut french resistence is a lie, and french were supporters of Adolf.

We want to control our economy and stop the usury controling our lives. We want to destroy counterculture and live in peace with asians, turks, iranians (our cousins in Middle East), arabs, blacks or mixed people of America. But is disgusting to be at your homeland and see people of another races hating you (no matter muslims, christians or voodoo)... imagine Saudi Arabia with massive inmigration of european, chinese, blacks of all religions and hating arab people... do you think it's logic?

Of course american wars in Irak and Afganistan have only two pourposes consolidate Israel power in Middle East (now Al Qaeda is helping in it) and attacks Russia in Central Asia. Also, the Federal Reserve of U.S.A. is noway controlled by americans.

Peace and Mercy of God to everybody, no matter sex or race, but the World have an Order.

Allah know best

Including the women, sometimes I can't imagine how people can control their moves and action etc. This includes how they design their house and garden, their arts etc.. fineness and simplicity.. evidencing they value nature and life. All these needs lots of focus and self discipline. Self control... I don't admire western women and got a headache just by looking at them. Nothing special, just a matter of personal preferences over many traditions and cultures, everyone has. laugh

Man, when no western women live in the West (that is economically not controlled by european people) they act the same or even worse than european women.

And perhaps is ok arab women become feminists, because this is going to put down arab racism, supremacism, etc.

Even evil things happen because God allow them for some reason.

Arab men have a lot of fear of woman discovering they can do a lot of things like men ("oh, don't drive because is bad for your health" rotfl.

A lot of people when say that hate something western, the West, etc. is also hating european people. Next elections in France far right of Marine Le Pen (fascist woman) is going to win socialists and conservatives (controlled both by financial power). Europe have also Russia and Mr. Putin... it isn't western but is european. We are not going to tolerate racism against europeans in our Homeland.

In Europe we have no fear of strong woman, only we don't like misandry and women abusing men. But you cannot continue telling fairy tales to women and pretend they believe you.

God is with the righteous, the humble, who looks for the Justice, the Truth and the Order. No matter the race of he/she lives in the West or in the East.

One God for everybody.

The cult that created french revolution, marxism, counterculture, etc. has created also feminism but feminism is like a Golem and now the (pseudo)creator cannot control the creature.

When somebody warns a feminist (darkness daughter and self-worshipper, Lilith style girl) saying her "do what you want but don't claim that it's from Allah" she will answer for sure "I will say that's from Allah and nobody can stop me". If another warns "When in Rome dress like romans" she will certainly answer "When in Rome I dress like I want" and everytime the feminist answer in this way. Nobody can change her fake concept of freedom and for sure I wannot to do it, I only want to warn men of every race and religion about the feminism as an ideology of hate that is showing its true face here in the West.

When feminists are inside patriarchal societies they appeal to victimism and to the stupid chivalry of old fashioned, (pseudo)traditional men... but brothers, when they take the power (supported by financial elite and bizarre cults) they implement policies of tiranny against men kill your husband and don't go jail, commit adultery and you'll get a good divorce taken the kids and getting a nice alimony of the man, take a good job because the non elected Government of European Union stablished preference for ladies while the men become jobless, etc.

All this is against basic common sense and if some men think that they can persuade feminists to participate in a team with men they are in a big mistake, because they are men haters, despite their angel face and their mermaid's songs (cf. Ulyses and the mermaids myth).

Feminism look like this... sun group

But really is... voodoo elektro

Well, if everybody can say that she/he likes is from Allah somebody can say that can eat pork and become drunk drinking wine, can have consensual (agree) sexual intercourse with her/his father, mother, brother or sister... why not? if both like it, everybody is free... no? And the worse, she/he can say that all this is from Allah.

This is the final point of absolute freedom no Law, even the basic ten commandments of Moses are superstition and patriarchal opresion, male control, etc.

They don't realize that is about moral and social structures that prevent Chaos and Yahiliya.

Universe has a structure and when you see an atom the protons and neutrons are in the nucleus and electrons in a orbit around them... but you know, all this is protonic opression, evil protons want to control innocent electrons, definitely protonic atom has to be abolished and replaced by a aleatory mix of particles or by a new atom with the electrons in the nucleus and the protons around them (antiparticles and antimatter).

God created Universe with particles and matter and no with antiparticles and antimatter, but obviusly anyone is free to say that matter isn't ok and a Universe of antimatter is Allah's will. It's free to say it but it's a LIE.

Allahu akbar

I don't think that swimming in the sea is haram but I think it's better if you can go to a calm place in a river with friends of the same sex or wife and family if you're married. You have the forest, you are relax, you can swimm (careful with the river). A lonely beach is also ok, but this is so difficult in some countries.

If you are alone with your wife and sons/daughters I think that it's ok for everybody to be naked, that is the most comfortable. But outside the family the thing is different, problematic.

I know that lot of people go to the beach to take sun and a bath but even this decent people feel sexual atraction because we have this instinct. Anyway if man can wear shorts, woman can wear bikini in some familiar beaches... but even decent people in this places are going to experience some little temptations.

All this isn't the World's End but we have to take so much care with mystic path without law, that is for example the way of certain jewish sects that try to live Qabbalah without Halakha. This is also the way of modern western Counterculture that started in the 60's.

My own country was a very traditional one 30 years ago and nowadays is a crazy place where women and even adolescents only put a tanga in the beach and love top less and narcissistic exhibitionism, for lust and as a symbol of female power.

Counterculture is not about real freedom but about rebellion against laws, specially religious ones.

An essential part of Counterculture is Feminism, that is a hate movement. And this movement works because "traditional" men think stupid things like women are more emotional, good hearted, no violent, etc.

Feminists really hate men and are strong and dangerous Worldwide.

When arab men says things like men are phisically stronger they are right but they forget that men are also phisically weaker. Emotionally I'm not going to say who are more prone to manipulate...everybody know. Therefore men need to be protected by the Law from women just the same than the opposite.

The situation of western men, specially in countries like Spain or UK with an ancient tradition of witch/amazon women (ex. queen Boadicea) is very bad. Women can abuse men in all the ways and happens nothing. We have even laws that stablish that a man killing a woman have more prison years than a woman killing a man and even is habitual that a wife kill the husband and she don't go to jail. Women have all the rights and ever take the sons and daughters in divorce's case... and even she commited adultery, the husband have to pay money to her. Lot of women speak about the men using terms as garbage and are only interested in men as sexual partners, treating men like animal studs and another join the lesbian feminism and promote radical ideas of hate. Enterprises are forced by laws to take on women and lot of men are jobless... if you look at our cities the 90% of homeless people are men.

I know that salafism is wrong but if I would have to choose between salafism and feminism I would colaborate with the guy's team. jedi

And all this in my country started with the bikinis... in the 60s-70s foreign women of northern Europe came and start to wear bikinis... old women criticize them but a little number of young women started to imitate. Men acted like apes (oh, beautiful girls o) or like stupids (leftists talking about freedom, etc. &gt.

Therefore, the "innocent" bikini brought spanish men slavery.

Some people would say to me that men and women are a team, etc. In the West there are no more team between sexes, but a war and so much hate towards men.

Salam aleikum,

Let me make an introduction and after I'll speak about bikini, beach and dress code...

As I said in my first post I'm spaniard of pure european origin. My ancestors were crusaders knights at the battle of Navas de Tolosa (Al-Uqab battle in arabic) and I made my shahada two and a half years ago because I believe that there is only One God and that Muhammad is God's Messenger... therefore I believe that Quran is the God's Word. Regarding hadiths I believe that are human created tales. Anyway, if some people want to live according hadith I find it ok while they don't try to impose to everybody.

The battle of Navas de Tolosa / Al-Uqab was planned as a big crusade against sunni Al-Muwahiddun in Iberian Peninsula. The crusaders expedition met at the city of Toledo, in central Iberian Peninsula (Spain didn't exist yet) and were composed by iberian (spanish & portuguese) knights and french ones. When they avanced to the south they took some little villages inhabited by muslims, then the muslims qaids surrended and went to seek help from Al-Muwahiddun Jalifa Muhammad an Nansir, but the Jalifa ordered their execution accusing them of cowardice. At the same time the french crusaders started to kill the muslim population of the villages but the king Alfonso VIII of Castile ordered them to stop the slaughtering and don't kill the surrended people. The french threatened the king saying that if they were not allowed to kill the population of the villages, they would come back France. The king simply said them "just go" and 30.000 french knights came back France. The iberians crusaders finally invaded the south and defeated the sunnis Al-Muwahiddun.

My ancestors were on the vanguard and they came from Basque Country, that is a very matriarcal society with witch/amazon women from ancient times. One of the reasons because they left their homeland and went south was that their women were no good. The leader of the militar expedition was Diego L?pez de Haro and his wife was cheating him. When he ordered his son to attack and resist until victory or death he said him "People will can say to you that you are the son of a bitch but not the son of a coward" and they fight till victory, the most decisive victory of Middle Ages in Iberian Peninsula. Thay conquered Al-Andalus and because this my family stablished here in the south, that today is called Andalusia.

Cultural and ethnic background is important is some aspects of life and have influence over the way in that you see the relationship between sexes.

When I've read some statements of this thread I simply got perplexed.

The purpose of a dress code is protect the women of "bad men"? o
The men are abusive and the women not? rotfl
And all the rethoric about rapes, etc. yuck

Fake chivalry trying to afirm men domination and on the other side female victimism trying to afirm women domination... all is about feel "free", dominate another people, feel also powerful and take Shaytan's path. But remember that nor man neither woman is powerful, only Allah (SWT) is powerful.

All the crap about women have to be full covered for their protection from "bad men", etc. is a lie, as the whole garbage called chivalry is a very big lie.

The women have to dress honest for their protection of themselves (their ego, arrogance, narcissism and exhibitionism) and the stability of the whole society. The same for men. Freedom for humans have limitations and Quran or even common sense clarify it. Allah gave a Torah for hebrews (not only for jewish but for 12 tribes), gave us all Jesus as a Injil, a Living Word and gave us all the Quran through Rasul ul Lah Muhammad. But Allah gave us all a fitra, a common sense, the capacity for distinguish between good and bad, beutiful and ugly, armony and chaos.

Abusive and narcissistic attitudes are always in the path of selfishness and chaos, no matter men or women.

Regarding the bikini, she is not nude but she is neither and angel/malaika. Therefore, in a beach sometimes everybody look at the beautiful bodies (women also look at men) and like to be looked... for the women depending on the man that looks at her... if he's an old ugly man he's a pig but if he's a young handsome man he's cool. ;D

It doesn't means that you go to the beach in order to look the bodies but when you are hours at the beach, you look more or less depending on the day, the bodies, etc. Human beings are not angels and we have lust. If a woman say to me that she never liked to look men or to be look by them, then I will say that she prefers women and that's all folks. World is plenty of secret lesbians, some of them married with men and another strong men's haters.

Bikini is haram as same as short swimsuit for men is haram. Good dress is a dress that you can wear everywhere... imagine people at workplace in swimsuit.

Holy Quran is clear regarding modesty on dress but if somebody have a strong desire for do something that he/she knows is haram but cannot avoid to do it, it's better to say Astagfirullah and do the haram but don't think that he/she is acting halal... even worse if start to say to another people things like "nothing is haram, you are free, haram depending on everyone, etc.

For example, no married people sometimes have sexual intecourse, that is haram. Well, if you cannot avoid it... Astagfirullah but noway "oh, it's ok and haram depending on everyone conscience". This is a bad path, a path similar to some nihilistic mystic sects that want mystic with no law. That's a very big mistake, a good and pleasant walk where you fell powerful but with a bad end.

And Leyna, you have beautiful feets. jedi

Salam aleikum,

I'm new here. I'm spaniard and I converted to Islam two years ago. When I converted / come back to Islam I perfectly knew about hadiths and I didn't believe in them... indeed, I dind't converted to Islam before because of hadith, but finally I decided become a muslim despite all these man created stories. I believe in One God and in Quran and not in hadith and superstition.

I think that hadith is on the basis of sectarism, bigotry and spiritual fossilization of sunni and shia... they cannot have or even touch a dog, they cannot wear orange/saffron coloured clothes, they cannot eat with the left hand, etc. but they kill each other and the christians (ej. Irak, Nigeria, Pakistan) and seems to have no problem with Riba (Worldwide biggest sin).

Well, sunni and shia and their hadith are pretty similar to Spanish Inquisition or to Talmudic Judaism and Zionism... lies about God and use the name of God in order to kill people, dominate another human groups and believe that they are the good guys, the chosen ones. All this shirk is like the shirk of ancient pagan ethnic religions based on Ignorance / Yahiliya.

I think that if jewish, orthodox christians, roman catholics, protestants, sunni and shia were born at Haiti they would practice voodoo. At the end all is about human power and fear (consciously or unconsciously), about put in the First place the traditions of your gang (just like tribal shamanism, bullfighting in Spain/France or american university fraternities).

I'm very happy of found this forum of people that seek God and that love Truth and freedom.

No Talmud in Judaism, no Trinity in Christendom, no hadith in Islam and riba nowhere... it would be a better World, not a perfect one beceause we are imperfect (Alhamdulillah) but so much better than nowadays bloody and ignorant chaos.

Fighting Yahiliya, Shirk and Riba.

Allahu akbar!