Hi Daud, I don't think that's quite right. I think Dragonflies was on the right track on the last page - the problem with porn is the way it affects a persons - who am I kidding - a man's view of women, and the way it depletes his energy. That's why it can be harmful.

I don't think it has anything to do with adultery. I think adultery is about hate, not lust.

About hate? hmmm now that is interesting please continue.......

While the idea of man's view of women is also correct, and the energy thing too...

However, what it also does, speaking from experience, it deadens the power of the conscience over the
instinct, and gives the instinct the power to act without any serious fore thought...

We are told in the Quran that All Good comes from God and all that is bad comes from us....

Peace Imran/all.

I think these verses may answer your Query.

Before thee, also, the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message. 21 7.
Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they exempt from death. 21 8.

We granted not to any man before thee permanent life (here) if then thou shouldst die, would they live permanently? 2134.

Their messengers said to them We are nothing but mortals like yourselves, but Allah bestows (His) favors on whom He pleases of His servants, and it is not for us that we should bring you an authority except by Allah's permission; and on Allah should the believers rely.1411.

And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels!s, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful.3144.

Say I am only a mortal like you; it is revealed to me that your god is one Allah, therefore whoever hopes to meet his Lord, he should do good deeds, and not join any one in the service of his Lord. 18110.

Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! 575.

Or you should have a house of gold, or you should ascend into heaven, and we will not believe in your ascending until you bring down to us a book which we may read. Say Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal messenger?1793.

peace

bravo

2191, 2217.

"Oppression is worse than murder"

They were being killed for being muslims, It's not like the christians said "We'll give you a five minute break so you can leave"

Why were the muslims fighting for their rights terrorists?!

To be clear, with no money, or a house, you would immigrate in their situation?

It's not that easy PERIOD. Even I, living within my means can't immigrate due to limited savings, ability, cost of travel etc...

The quran advises you to fight for your rights UNLESS you are weak, women, children etc...

"Give me liberty or give me death"

Have you seen the documentary on that school in Russia that was taken over by Muslim Terrorists?

Are you really a believer? Only a disbeliver would not see God's Justice delievered upon the guilty...

The Essenes who were believed to be the authors of the Scrolls were a sect of Judism and probably as similar to Christians as the Quran only, Sunni, s***es, etc. are.

John the Baptist was a Essenes before he left to prepare the way for Jesus.

Wasn't the gospel of St. Thomas found in Eygpt? Too bad some books were lost in a fire.

"The introduction also says, "These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke..." By using the word "secret" the author is telling you that these sayings are not for everyone's ears. These are the secret teachings that are only for a special chosen few - the solitary elect or monachos in Greek (which is where we get the word "Monk" from). Furthermore, they are the "secret" teachings of the "living Jesus." The term living Jesus is to distinguish the dualism of the mortal man - Jesus of Nazareth - and the immortal divine being living inside him. The living Jesus would be a pre-existent godly being conceptually similar to the Logos in the Gospel of John."

LOL!! Daud-19 You sure do watch alot of movies - Stigmata.

Wikipedia
"The plot of the 1999 Hollywood film Stigmata revolves around a cover-up within the Roman Catholic Church of an unnamed lost "Gospel" (that is revealed at the end of the film to be based upon the real-life Gospel of St. Thomas), whose teachings of the immanence of God are profoundly threatening to the church hierarchy."

Yup, movies are my thing...

Yes you are right the Gospel of Thomas was found in Egypt when that kid threw the rock and it broke the vase in the cave..

LOL!! I do like that addition. Do they revote or give the office to the runner-up?

After a election the seats in the Kennsett are divided up by the percentage of the Vote
for each party...

To form a government a party needs 60 seats, since that never happens, the
majority party must get other minority parties to throw thier seats into a government
so you could have 10 parties making up a government. The Prime Minister is named
from the Majority Party. If any of the parties don't like what is going on they can
vote no confidence, and the government has 60 days to find the 60 seats again,
if they can't do it, then they must re-elect the seats from popular vote

Peace.

I do not know if all who frequent free-minds.org are in the first category, but I can definitely see your point...I can see the different types of views.

There are those who are all literal and then those who are allegorical.

I am beginning to see what you are saying even clearer than before.

I will no longer be coming here...

Peace to all the believers.

last time as YTV

You are right there is no consensus at any topic /meaning among them at all. not even in rejection of rejection of Hadeeths. G.A Pervaiz's book "Mehraaj-i-Insaaniyyat "contains a lot of Hadeeths.
So we see a state of confusion and intellectual anarchy.

Well the site is named FREE MINDS... We VALUE our individual RIGHTS to thinking what we want to think
and more importantly giving others the right to think what they want to think...

We welcome diversity of opinion and viewpoints, it is there where the NEW growth occurs....

Prophets and Angels come to us as human beings. If God decides to have them
be killed for a reason, then they obtain Martyr Status, some say
this is the highest honor that God gives to His Servants...

They attempted to cover up the gospel of thomas for many years.. they didn't own the documents... but certainly put on a major campaign to minimize the gospel..

But after you get your people in office it takes too long to get the bad apples out...

We need REAL democracy... not a Republic

We need a government that reflects the MOOD of the people...

One good thing about the Israeli government, is that they can
all be thrown out in 60 days if the mood of the people changes,
and the minority has REAL power there...

Now if they would let ALL the people vote we would
have a Muslim Prime Minister of Israel... Then there will be Peace on this planet..

End the Aparthied of Israel, reject a two state solution, lobby for
voting rights of ALL the people of Israel...

Nope not the 19 miricle, but there is the REAL INJEL, or Gospel of Jesus found there
that the Catholic Church tried to cover up...

The Gospel of Thomas... read it and see if you don't agree...

Huh? Which group in America, if you pick on the Bible Belt Republican South, yup I agree with you they are responsible for what
is going on, and if you want a particular person to blame it all on, it is Hal Lindsey, author of the Late Great Planet Earth...

In this book out of his imagination he created the Love Israel or else syndrome we have here in the Bible belt..

If you want to trace back the fault, trace it back to the Nicene council and Paul who created
the Idolarty of Jesus as God and the human sacrifice...

THAT is what is wrong with America's thinking, rubber stamping Bengiman Netanyhu and AIPAC, and
the million or so dead muslims in the M.E., and the Idolarty of Jesus as God, and looking for a WAR to
mark his return...

Bush should face World Court for his crimes, he will certainly face himself before too long...as will
all of those that were responsible for keeping him in office and executing his orders..

I have seen more than enough retribution to those returning from the war in Iraq not to
believe that God is executing justice to those responsible...

d-

sun welcome bravo

Peace,
I have read that verse so many times and I have asked people who know Arabic about it and khimar is not a special name for a headcover. They have other names for headcovers such as hijab, niqaab.

And things in the context and footnotes are other peoples views, how trustworthy are they?

Quran should be read and able to follow without Ulamas, so therefore I don't wear a headcover because Quran don't order it.

And I rather trust sis Samia than IQO an American African, but that's my personal option of course

Maria

Most of all you need to trust your own heart, it is there where God speaks to us.....

Point taken

Why would you submit to such a arrogant point of view?

Your ideas come from God, we can help show you where in the Quran
they can be validated...

That guy is into POWER ignore him...

d-

I love my daily Quran readings, I read this today, and it really applies to this thread....

The Ant
2765

Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except God. They do not even
percieve how or when they will be resurrected"

So, seems to me this discussion is just not good for us.....

I beg your pardon IQO
MY post was not directed to you but a light hearted response to the onset of 2008, as in other threads people have been calling huruf brother ...do we have to be sarcastic all the time???

And could you explain what do you mean by this?

Farida-

See that 'Ignore' button.. it works sooooo well.....

Obama's Offical Response to my inquiry about his supporting Aparthied in Israel....

Dear Friend,

Thank you for contacting me about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

I traveled to the Middle East in January 2006, where I met with both Israeli and Palestinian leaders, as well as ordinary citizens in both communities. This visit increased my understanding of the challenges that confront the people who live in the region and our diplomatic efforts there, but also my resolve to make a difference.

The best solution to this difficult conflict is two states living side-by-side in peace and security. I believe the vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians support this outcome. What is needed is a far more vigorous U.S. diplomatic effort to help them achieve it. But the current administration has sat on the sidelines for far too long. As president, I would make a personal commitment to this effort.

Israel is our closest ally in the Middle East, and we are obligated to help ensure its security. A negotiated peace with the Palestinians would make Israel more secure and allow the Palestinians to achieve their goal of an independent state. We should be doing more to strengthen Palestinian leaders who support a two-state solution, isolate those who seek Israel's destruction, and help the two sides reach negotiated solutions to all outstanding issues.

An agreement that fulfills the legitimate aspirations of both the Israeli and the Palestinian peoples is the only path to peace, and I will continue to work toward this end. Thank you again for contacting me on this issue.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama

Oh i think you are pretty much on target... the proof is in the pudding as they say, doesn't really matter about the details...

The good news is that we have the opportunity to take the White House away from the Republicans this New Year...

There are some very good people running for President, and I am optomistic about our future....

I believe I am going to support Obama, because I believe his heart is in the right place....

Sorry. You're rght. I only know C

It would seem that thru our experiences we all have felt the reasons that God tells
us that no matter how hard we try we can only please one wife..

The good news is that I don't think it is ever too late to start FRESH, and NEW,
like the New Year...

I hope that your friend C will find someone that will bring happiness, and a future...

Seems like we have proven here that God does really NOT want Poligamy, and
has created a path to teach those who still believe in it the way back
to the happy path...