Certainly it is the first step to leaving the Islam that most of the world know as Islam...and the first step to finding the Islam that only a handful of people know about.
Peace.

The Koran says that we should get together. My reading of the verse is that the meetings should be in person.

Peace.

I agree completely with Man of Faith. God is available to guide us all the time not just at 5 office hours. What interests me, however, is, where does 'wudu' fit into the guidance understanding of salat?

Hajj is not a ritual. You go only once.

MMkhan. This verse is about the orphans. The grammar refers to the all encompassing you, ie, male and female. This suggests then, that polygyny is also allowed. Do you agree with this? Men and women can marry up to four partners each? If you use your intelligence, men marrying more than one woman does not fit with the rest of the Koran.

The translation of 4;3 by Aidid Safar, makes sense and fits in with what the rest of the Koran says about man/woman relationships. It also fits in with what is being talked about here, the orphans.

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Polygamy

Polygamy In The Quran?

In the Arab religion thinking, man is supreme over woman. He is king of the house, king of the jungle, and king on earth ultimately. How they derive to this is anybody's guess. A woman practically has no rights whatsoever to anything, and in fact not even any rights to her own well being.

A woman is nothing more than a servant, to serve man's lusts both, sexually and gastronomically. She is to perform everything at his behest, otherwise she's doomed on earth and the hereafter eternally. This, the Arabs say is the order of the God (at least their god), and marrying more than one up to four simultaneously, is reckoned coming from the Quran in chapter Annisaa (4) verse 3. Thus, polygamy symbolises the male supremacy, and in their delight (the males) they marvel in this way of life and truly believe that the God has favored them over the fairer sex.

Upon studying the relevant verses in the Quran, what is revealed (not surprisingly) is NOT about polygamy, but rather, a guidance pertaining to the care and administration of the orphans and their inheritance, especially focussing on the female orphans. As females have been mistreated along the twisted male chauvinistic belief, a chapter is dedicated to women to bring back the Order (Deen). The corrected translation of the verses are as follows

41. O people, observe your Lord who created a person. And another he created of his spouse and He expands from both, more males and females. And observe the God who you constantly request to for the family. Indeed, the God, He cares for you.
42. And hand over the orphans their inheritance, and you shall not exchange the bad for the good, and you shall not deposit their assets into your assets, for indeed that will be a great injustice.
43. And if you fear that you are unable to mete out justness amongst the orphans, therefore mary them off from you. Of the females pairing in two, and in three, and in four. Hence if you fear about fairness, thus once and for all, your decision. That is to ensure you avoiding any misappropriation.
44. And hand over the females their inheritance sincerely. Hence, if they are kind towards you, a personal portion from it, thus except it graciously.
45. And you shall not hand to the immatured the inheritance, which the God entrusted you with. Spend it on them from it, and clothed them, and communicate with them properly. ..

What we see in the above corrected translation, is another corruption done to yet another subject in the Quran that have been mistranslated for their (the conspirators) own gains in producing false religious doctrines. Is there any line describing, or supporting polygamy anywhere there?

Its pertinent to note that all the subjects in the Quran address the people, both man and woman. When a particular subject begins with "Ya aiyuhan nas" (O people) as in the beginning of this chapter, the following "you's" in the chapter in context with the given subject are addressing the plural third-party 'all people - men and women'. So if they insist that this is a subject on polygamy, then it applies to both man and woman, i.e. polygamy is open to all. Now, how would the men like that?

Subjugation is the name of the game. Religion is one of two effective methods (the other is political) to enslave the people by putting fear in the hearts and minds of the people and applying God as the thrump card.

Moses was sent to deliver the Israelites from the Pharoah who held them in religious bondage, and in fact the Pharoah even proclaimed himself god to the people. Jesus was sent to the Israelites for the same purpose to free them from the same religious bondage they were in. What is clear is that the people are either addicted to religious bondage, or they have actually learned to like religion and turned away each time a messenger comes to them.

The Quran's main purpose is to do exactly that, as it acts as the Criterion to discern the truth from false, but the conspirators soon suppressed the truth within by twisting every word contained therein in all available translations. In this case, the Quran specifically in chapter Annisaa, frees woman from her male bondage, which is being perpetuated in their sickened religious teachings. This essay will not delve into linguistic rules, and or semantics, but suffice to expose the conspiratorial nature of mistranslations, which perhaps would invoke the interest and desire in people to find out the truth when they find anything that seems amissed, and to verify everything they hear, or read for themselves...yes, only for oneself.
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Men will be men, so they say. Its nothing unusual for a man to be chasing women, as in fact its a natural animalistic instinct for them to do so, and I think women find that rather amusing. However, no person (man or woman) likes the idea of sharing a beloved one with another, because it is totally unnatural and unacceptable to our basic instincts. To the Romeos, Valentinos, and playboys of the earth, conduct yourselves properly and gentlemanly, and above all...maintain responsibility.
Polygamy

However socially unacceptable the idea of polygamy is, its perpetration is rampant and is being practised everywhere and all over the world by every race through the ages, and its simply a social disorder which needs to be corrected through thorough proper education.

Equality between man and woman is a missing feature in every religion, and in the game of subjugation, females (constitutes about half the numbers in a given society) who are easy preys are unawaringly and automatically subjugated, and made the game pretty much easier for the conspirators.

All said, women themselves should buck up and stand up for their rights. Those who find themselves entrapped in this predicament, have only themselves to blame. The maxim "It takes two to tango" is very apt, and for many of them they walked through it with their eyes open, and only when it falls apart that they see the light, which by then is often too late.

Polygamy is a dirty word. It should not be condoned in any way. It is a violation of the natural social order and it does more harm than good to be of any good to society. One should not be swayed by justifications by people who promote it. It's fine to do anything one finds fanciful, and then finds another who agrees to participate, and then one be responsible for it. One does not need justifications, it could be out of lust, fun, or whatever as long as it is one's choice. But its not acceptable when one impose it on others, especially on religious grounds, when its not.

What the Arab religion advocates is totally reprihensible, and to say it is done in the name of God... is evil indeed.

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It is shirk simply. This is a very simple religion. Each prophet came with the message worship God alone. Ask yourself why you find it difficult to pray to God alone. If you find it difficult not to worship God without thinking about Mohammad, then you are committing shirk. simple. There is nothing to intellectualise about it.

Peace all.
What if the word did mean beat, but in the American sense of 'beat it,' go away from them? That is what I believe. Supported by the fact that God only ever advocates violence once, in the sense of self protection. Other than that, He advocates peace. Technically, the woman should fight back in self defence, the Koran tells her to. And incidentally, what level of beating are we talking about and who determines this? Think of all the different 'Muslim' communities across the world!!

The Koran tells us not to commit adultery quite clearly. That logically means one man, one woman. We don't need to know why he allowed the prophets to have several wives. More importantly, why are some 'Muslim' men and some unfortunately not great thinking women, trying to force the non argument of more than one wife?
Peace.

Peace Lena,

I agree this is a good post, however, it does not answer the all important question, why did Lot offer up his daughters? God only writes what he needs to - and he wrote that Lot offered up his daughters to be gang-raped?

Dawn.

Peace Good Logic,

A comforting and apt response.

Dawn.

Peace Bookish,

I hear your pain. My daughter has decided she is bisexual and I am having trouble trying to come to terms with this. Trust me, I am looking at the Koran from every angle to try to make homosexuality fit. Unfortunately, there are no signs of God supporting homosexuality. There are too many references to pairs Adam and Eve, animals and humans going two by two into the ark. God giving the male the woman as his comforter and mate, all couples being heterosexual, procreation.

The best the Koran offers us is to not judge others and not to hurt others except in self-defence.

Peace.

Peace Sushi,

I understand where you are coming from. However, I have to say that this particular issue seems to be quite clear in the Koran. If you do not believe, you cannot go to heaven. I suppose, not believing in God by implication suggests you must believe in another greater being either consciously or subconsciously. Part of submission is believing in what you cannot see. It doesn't matter how good you are. Part of the deal is believing in the one God.

Conversely, the Koran also says that most of the believers won't go to heaven. Presumably, they may believe in God, but something else also, or they have not been good enough.

In conclusion, be good and believe!!

Dawn

Peace All,

What an excellent debate! I would simply like to throw into the pot the question why did Lot offer up his daughters? What lewdness was going on that would be better served by women than men? Surely Lot wasn't offering up his daughters to be raped instead of men?

When the Koran says such lewdness had not been seen before, does it simply mean 'on such a scale'? Yes, homosexuality has been around forever, but practised by a whole community of men and unchallenged by its women?

Why was Lot's wife not saved? Because she endorsed the lifestyle? You can be tolerant without endorsing or forbidding.

As an aside, I don't think African Americans will appreciate the comparison between them and gays. There is no debate about being black. If you are black you are black. There is still a debate about being gay.

Dawn

Peace Man of Faith,

I understand your feelings entirely and I agree with your argument. You don't have to look very far in the Koran to find evidence that polygamy is not promoted. Just the story of Noah and everything in pairs is enough.....

Peace Man of Faith,

That is exactly what I was saying in my post. I don't believe God condones homosexuality. Indeed, homosexuality goes against everything that is promoted in the Koran about man and woman, pairs, etc. However, the Koran clearly states to treat people with kindness and if you don't like what they do move away from them. It does not tell us to judge others. It tells us to judge for ourselves, use our intelligence. The ultimate judge is God. Therefore, we have no right to take any action against a homosexual.

Peace,
Dawn.

Peace All
I understand everyone's argument on here. I feel that some are holding on to political correctness and some are expressing their own personal feelings. Of course, God exhorts us as part of Islam to be kind and to treat folk with dignity. Believe me, I come from a land where political correctness abounds.

However, remember our guide book is the Koran and if we trawl the whole of it, there are enough signs to tell us that he intended couples to be man with woman. In the beginning he made a man and a woman. He talks throughout the Koran of pairs " We created you in pairs." By all means be kind and respectful to homosexuals - the Koran to tells you to. However, don't confuse kindness with legitimacy.

If we trawl the Koran we will find enough examples not condemning homosexuality, but making it clear that God intended pairs to be male with female.

Peace

Peace,
So how does this understanding fit in with pilgrimage, once in a lifetime?
Dawn.

Peace Abdelilah,

You are right. It is your poll so you can do whatever you like. Absolutely right.

Dawn.