There is no sense in excluding verse 87 group.You know Dr Shabbir style.

After this I am out of this discussion.

2277 O you who acknowledge, kneel and
prostrate and serve your Lord and do
good that you may succeed.
2278 Strive in the cause of God properly. He
is the One who has chosen you, and He
has made no hardship for you in the
system, the creed of your father
Abraham; He is the One who named
you 'those who have peacefully
surrendered' from before as well as in
this. So let the messenger be witness
over you and you be witness over
people. So hold the contact prayer and
contribute towards betterment and hold
tight to God, He is your patron. What
an excellent Patron, and what an
excellent Supporter.

Does this mean we are all Prophets now?

Dear Arnold
You are doing exactly what Dr Shabbir is doing on his website.
The exact verses under discussion are
(84) (85) (86) (87) (8 (89)

After mentioning all these names ,their fathers ,brothers ,descendants ,Allah says these are people who were given by us
-Kitaab
-Alhukm
-Nabuwwat

Is this talk about prophets or not ?

Please look at your quoted verse
688 And from among their fathers and their descendants and their brethren. And We chose them and We guided them towards the Right Path.

Would you please explain this phrase "chose them"?? Are they prophets or not ? Is this word used for non -prophets in the Quran?

I have answered them. The Qur'an doesn't mention Prophets between Jesus and Muhammed. But it also says God hasn't mentioned all Prophets. So your question is pointless.

But back to MY question!

What has being guided immediately to do with being a Prophet? Read 24 please...

And for angel
Malikah can be used for many things. The Arabs used it for their own mythological creatures and for forces of nature which they understood as gods and powerful spirits. But the meaning of Malikah describes something, a force that controls a certain thing. There is no need to blindly follow the mytholigical ideas of the ancient of any culture. We only need to follow the Arabic meanings.

If the Arabs believed Christian angels were the same as Arabian Malikah we do not know. But that doesn't matter, as we do not need to follow their mythological ideas of the universe. We only need to follow the Arabic descriptions of the root meaning.

Or do you want to remain in the bronze age?

So you want to say there were prophets between Jesus and prophet Muhammad in the descendants of Jesus
-Which are not mentioned in the Quran
-Even the History does not know
-As a muslim you beleive in the intemediary prophets.
-Quran does talke about bible but does not mention this intermediary revelation (why?) and the followers of these "prophets".

Please simply fill in the blank if you can (detailed circumvented explanations)

English =Angel
Arabic = ??
These dilly dally explanation indicate that concept is not clear in your mind.

Thanks for you time.

Dear Arnold
You have not answered my question regarding Jesus brothers and descendants who are prophets ?Because according to your referenced aya there are prophets in Jesus's descendants.
You have not asnwered my question about the "arabic word for angels" .
Still waiting.

Please respond just in one or two sentences.
How many prophets between Jesus and prophets Muhammad in the descendants of jesus ?
What is the Arabic word for "angel" ?
Thanks

No I do not believe Jesus was born without a father as there is not any good reason why this hsould have happenned. It contains no message, it doesn't guide people. It is just a myth that was created a century after Jesus. The bible clearly says he had a father. Paul in his Letters constantly refers to Joseph the father of Jesus, Jesus the son of Joseph.

Let's see what the Qur'an has to say

In surah An-Aam verse 84-87 Allah mentions names of 18 prophets at a stretch. Of these, verse 86 specifically mentions name of Isa as "?. And Zakariyya, and Yahya and Isa and Ilyas - everyone was of the righteous." After stating the names of the 18 prophets, in the very next verse 88 Allah goes on to say that

688 And from among their fathers and their descendants and their brethren. And We chose them and We guided them towards the Right Path.

It means Prophet jesus had
1Father
2Descendants
3Brothers
Who were prophets
May I ask you their names or at least any prophet you know who was between Jesus and Prophet Muhammad ??.
Secondly ,my major concern was not fatherhood of Jesus rather it was Dr Shabbir 's lame aruguement who was thinking that for procreation mate is must and he was considering it as a "law of nature".When a person talks like this it means
1Either he is ignorant or
2He is deceiving the people.

In another post your said

And Malikah are the laws of the universe by my understanding. The word "angel" is the name of a Greek mythological creature which has no connection at all with the Arabic word Malikah.

I will appreciate if you could provide the "arabic word" for "angel".
Thanks

Arnold Yasin
Whether you call it a miracle or not.But you agree that scientifically it is possible that without father ,a child can be born.

So Dr Shabbir stance that mate is must for procreation is not 100% true.So Jesus birth without a father under law of cloning is possible.

Peace

Mary's cell can only give birth to a little girl, not a boy; as far as cloning is concerned.

Have you ever heard about XX males ??

A person exists out of a mix of male and female genes. When a person is cloned, the already existing mix of female and male genes are just copied. Plus Shabbir only repeats the same argument God makes in the Qur'an. What somersault will you bring?

Good point .A cell is already a mixture of male and female genes.It means Marry's cell alone could give birth to human being without mating with a male.
As cloning has proved

4823 Such is God's sunna with those who have passed away before, and you will not find any change in God's sunna.

This aya is as a general principle.It is talking with reference to creatures.Yes creatures are bound to these laws.
There are always exceptions to laws.But when state we state in a general way.
Above I have quoted a verse from "Al-Hajj".

No one says that these are ever changing laws.These are constant for the creatures.But God may change if he wants

If He cannot /does not interfere why does he says "He does what wants".It means He 'is still doing" .What is He doing? Will you explain?

He Himself He Himself WILL NOT SUBTITUTE HIS CREATION. La tabdeela likhalqi.

1777 (Such was Our) method in the case of those whom We sent before thee (to mankind), and thou wilt not find for Our method aught of power to change.

3362 That was the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away of old; thou wilt not find for the way of Allah aught of power to change.

He Himself clearly says He will NOT change His ways.

Just curious

Show me the Verse where He says"He will not change his ways"

No one says that these are ever changing laws.These are constant for the creatures.But God may change if he wants

God has used present and future tense (imperfect).
It means God is still as active as He was .Othewise there was no need in using imperfect tense.

It simply says that No one change His laws.How this principle is applied on HIMSELF.Would you please produce some verse in which he says that He Himself will also not change these laws ?

If that is true, why would He then constantly refer to nature if He is still deciding what to do with it? This type of thinking makes God someone who cannot design something perfect! God says He already perfected it

506 Do they not look at the height above them how We have built it and beautified it, and there are no flaws therein?

Follow the Qur'an or follow the Gods-image we inherited from the majority?

That is true ,every thing is created in a perfect manner.No defect.But wherever ,and whenever he wants he can decide to interfere.May be once in a while or not at all.It is his prerogative.
He can create out of nothing even now.He is neither powerless nor idle.
That is the reason He always uses present and future (imperfect tense) for his will and wishes and powers.

God is still deciding and doing whatever he wants.It is his prerogative to decide what is law of nature.He is not sitting in a "paralyzed state" or idle form as some naturalists think.

Dr Shabbir in one his message in his website says

Yes, respected Sister,

I marvel at your knowledge!

This is N2I. Even God won't have a son without a mate. He never breaks His Own laws. So, how could Mary?

Reference http//ourbeacon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1127

Look at this "scholar" he thinks that " mate" is must for production and he is calling it as "law of nature".Humans are going to be cloned.Then he will definitely be somersaulting for his interpretation.

Human thought cannot comprehend properly what is law of nature.If some law is accepted one day,next day it might be refuted. Mass once considered contant ,was destroyed by Einstein.Birth of Dolly has refuted the law of birth that mating of male and female is must to produce.
It is not true if someone thinks that God has set certain principle and sitting aside to watch and He does not interfere in the working of universe.No one can enforce and dictate Him what to do and what not to do.

So you want to follow Hadith.Is it correct ?

We should beleive that the prophet never married more than one wife.This is Quranic principle.Please do not quote fabricated material .You know all this history stuff is full of lies.
Thanks

yes Rover
I also have been confused on the birth of sheep "Dolly" which came into existance by "cloning".Where no mating of a male or female occured.

What if you obey both your parents and God. Would that be Shirk?

In the Quran it says obey the Messenger. Since God is telling us to obey the Messenger in the Quran then why are you calling it Shirk to do so? Surely if you are to obey God then you would need to listen to His commands and obey the Messenger.

Here obeying the messenger means the same message (Quran) obedience.Not a different one.So no contradiction.Do you think that obedience of prophet and obedience of God two different things ?