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Salaam and welcome hope you will find all your answers here

No problem Ammehoela

Feel free to ask anything I will answer it as soon as possible )
Dont forget you are not alone

Salaam

en btw i denk nie echt dat je opnieuw een Shadah moet afleggen, the Shadah is meer een connection tussen jou en God, zolang jij bleef geloven dat Islam echt is hoeft het niet echt. God weet alles wat in ons hart is, wees niet bang twijfel is heel normaal, God verwacht van ons dat we twijfels hebben maar daarom hebben we the Quran. Als jij vind dat jij opnieuw de Shadah moet afleggen dan is het helemaal geen probleem God houd van mensen die hem herinneren, en altijd connected met God willen zijn. Als jij het prettiger vind dan moet je het gewoon doen, Ik denk niet dat God het fout zou vinden.

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Welcome Welcome to the Forum ) hope you will learn and share as much as possible welcome

Salaam

Ja mijn verhaal is te vinden in de introduce yourself forum )

Maar uiteindlijk moeten we het heel simpel bekijken, ik bedoel als ik jou iets vertel and jij vertelt het door aan je zoon en jou zoon vertelt het aan zijn vriend en die vertelt het aan zijn zoon en dan iemand plaatst nog bepaalde dingen in de verhaal en dan iemand komt uit het niets en zegt weet je wat dit is wat Greatest-truth heeft gezegd paar honderd jaar later is beetje moelijk te geloven....

Maar laat ik het simpel zeggen wat boeit het wat anderen denken over jou? Ik bedoel geloof is in principe tussen jou en God en niet tussen jou en paar anderen die hetzelfde geloven. Alles is al simpel uitgelegd in de Koran voor ons, elke regel dat je kan vinden in Hadiths dat zegt dit is Haram(verboden) is compleet tegen God, als God een regel wou toepassen dan had Hij dit in de koran aan ons vermeld niet aan paar mensen die niet eens Profeten zijn.

Jij hebt tenminste je man die nog kritisch kijkt naar de Hadiths, het is heel belangerijk om bepaalde hadiths te vergelijken met de Koran. The Quran has all the answers you just have to figure out the questions. Ik zelf had zoveel twijfel over Islam in de begin omdat ik het niet compleet begreep and Christendom trok me heel erg aan, ik zelf ben ook in jou position geweest. Maar na lang onderzoek in christianity kwam ik achter dat de Bijbel ook een vorm van hadith is, dus ik stoote mezelf weer terug naar Islam.

Elke keer als ik hadiths zag werd Islam duister voor mij, maar waneer ik kijk naar de Koran de licht word weer clear voor mij. Het is heel simpel, Gods word is de waarheid de rest is gewoon toepassing zodat deze warlords hun gemeenschap kunnen leiden net als blinde schapen.

Het is heel moelijk om te bepalen welke hadiths echt, ik zelf geloof dat 94% gewoon vals zijn, de 6% zijn gewoon kwa bidden en simple dingen wat de profeet heeft gedaan, niet regels of iets dat tegen de koran gaat, de leven van de profeet is gebaseerd op de koran niet hadiths.

Als je bvb 1 hadith hebt en je wilt weten of dit echt is moet je goed bestuderen van waar dit komt wie heeft het overgebracht, hoe vaak kan ik dit vinden, is deze hadith geacepteerd in andere sectes van Islam?(Shia & Sunni). En de meest belangerijkste is mag het wel volgens de Koran? Als het niet mag volgens de Koran dan kan je gewoon zeker van zijn dat dit vals is.

En of er veel mensen net als ons zijn in NL weet ik niet zo zeker, of er bijeenkomsten zijn weet ik ook niet. Ik woon al 4 jaar in London dus ik ben niet zo zeker, er is een forum section called Events. Mischien dat je daar iets kan vinden.

Sorry for the Dutch, i sincerly appolagize.

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Hello Everyone,

WOW. So a quick answer! My english is not bad but basic. But thanks for the compliment! The reason I am looking for someone in my own language is because I can express my feelings better and everything goes faster. Because I am desperate for answers!!!

The past few days have been quite dramatic for me. I am now almost 10 years, converted to Islam, which 10 years with an increased dissatisfaction to the hadith. I felt like a hypocrite that when i do the shahada 5 times a day I say Mohammed Rasoellah. How can that happen?

I am with ups and downs through faith. From a niqab, to veil, to now nothing. From guilt to arrogance. And to make matters worse now I'm sitting here for months without having prayed. I read an angry, evil prophet and God in the hadith. Nothing else, not love.

To make matters 'worse' i have learn some great Christian people. Nothing wrong with that, great people, super sweet. Their community is what i think it must be like. Peaceful! I can not find that in Islam, not with the hadith. Two days ago I thought, I must leave the Islam. I must convert to Christianity. But what stops me is the 3 unit! I can not accept that! Then convert to jew? No, because that's not my vision! I believe in Jesus! They are not believers of Jezus (the most jews).

Then I thought. It would be really absurd that i because of work by people (hadith) that contradict the Quran, I would convert to Christianity. What are I doing?

Muslims (I prefer to say believers in 1 God and the Day of Judgement) who reject hadith are very difficult to find. It seems like they're afraid to be killed and sitting under a stone, haha. The mainstream muslims i know, would say to me that i become a Kafir. That makes me so sad.

So now. I am desperate. I lost myself and feel cheated by God. May God forgive me for these words! I believe so much in God, but I can not find the truth. In my heart, Islam is the truth, but not the hadith, all so-called scholars and name it. I believe in love, sacrifice, but also in mercy!

So any help is welcome. May God bless you! sun

Greetings from a critical faithful!

Salaam,

We all have our moments when we doubt God not because we look at the Quran but mainly because we look at the hadiths. I assume that you are a sister, first of all you have to know that the Sahih Hadith are not Sahih(right guided) Because these hadiths came not in the time of the Prophet, no not at all they came years after the prophet. (by years i mean centuries 200/300 years)

These so called Authentic hadiths are not from God neither are they the real sayings of Mohammed. 3/4 of these hadiths go against the teachings of Mohammad and especialy against the Quran.

By completly following blindly that these hadiths are true your actaully going against Islam, 2 bad not all the Muslims view it like this.

The real history of hadiths is that they are made by men(Crazy Warlords) to fit their living at that time and so they can control the community, they never knew that these practices would live on for 1200 years. Most of the hadiths go against every teaching we know of the Quran. And these so called "Muslims" that call you a kaffir are commiting a big sin, who judges you? Them or GOD? We have no right to call someone a Kaffir aslong as they say God is one and Mohammad is the Messenger.

And you say the Christian community is really peacefull I agree with you on that, but dont believe everything they tell you, research their scriptures and see how God is displayed there (allowing rape, incest, free killing, terrorism and genocides) The Hadiths are the same Man Made by warlords.

Look at the Quran, the word of GOD the word that shows how peacefull Islam actaully is. God says in the Quran I have completed your relegion, Meaning any uneccessary rule is just a pile of BS which go against the Quran and the most importantly against GOD.

You said niqab, i just want to tell you this is just a cultural practice its not mentioned to wear a niqab in the Quran, a Human is telling you this Not God.

And dont worry about the words you say God will forgive you, Remember Allah is the MOST Merciful the Most Gracious. God loves a critical mind he tells us this in the quran to challange the Quran, meaning feel free to think critical.

Dont worry you are not alone, these warlords hadiths have messed with our minds for centuries and the quran challanges us to think critical that is the right path.

I allways tell people if you really want evidence outside the Quran for who Mohammad really was look at a document which is writen when he was alive and not one which came centuries later.
"Constitution of Medina" for example( Rule number 1 freedom of Relegion)
This constitution goes against nearlly every Hadith we know lol why dont we take this as a example instead of the hadiths?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

Feel free to ask any qeustions, (Ik geef je desnoods een antwoord in Nederlands als het moet) "Ill give you the answers in dutch if that is necessary.

Salaam

Salaam,

I dont live in Holland but i do speak Dutch (grew up in Holland)
So feel free to ask anything and hopefully i can give you answers otherwise one of the other dutch memebers would be able to help you

Salaam

Thank you for the warm welcome group

The story was necessary to give a specific background info about myself D

hopefully i will learn and contribute alot to this community )

Salaam

Salaam everyone.

I'm new to this forum but i want to introduce myself firstly. Ill try to keep it short yeah

Anywayz im a born muslim and I come from a kind of strict Shia family. In my younger years i had many Sunni friends and went to mostly a Sunni mosques (pray not learn). So i got into the whole Sunni idea way of life. I also attended christian schools for probably 12/13 years? So im very familiar with Christianity and also have read the Bible (OT & NT).

Anywayz when i was about the age of 18 i kinda started figuring out that there is something completly wrong with the "Islam" that is practized in "Islamic" countries. So i went in a deeper research and read many things about hadiths and the science of hadiths etc.

It never crossed my mind that people really believe that these are authentic and thats it. But when i tell for example my sunni connections about a hadith which kind of contradicts the Quran. They would tell me NO THIS IS AUTHENTIC, You have no right to say that. It became so bad that they told me that if i wont believe in the "authentic" hadiths that its Haram (forbidden).

Well i couldnt really fit with that idea of this is authentic and if the hadith says this is haram than it must be Haram. But then i started thinking, if this is haram why isint it mentioned in the Quran? God said to us i have perfected your relegion (Islam = Iman + Ihsan) Why do we need some rules which the prophet didnt even agree on? Isint the Quran enough?

So mainly because I know alot about Christianity and history of the Bible etc, i think the Islami ummah is going the same way as Christians. I dont believe that all the hadiths are authentic, but i do believe that there are some hadiths which might be true. Someone has to look deeply just to find out if 1 certan hadith is right, i mean check the chain, naration, how many muslim "sects" can confirm this hadith etc. So i think that about 94% of the hadiths (bukhari, muslim etc) are just fabrication which came 300 years after the prophet.

But i dont understand why these are still accepted by the Muslim "scholars" most of them contradict everything Islam teaches, appostasy for example. Having a beard otherwise your a kaffir.... I really think if something was mandotory it would be in the Quran right? -\

So when i shared this story to my friend he told me you know what you are going the wrong way your becoming a Quranist. I didnt really know what that meant at the time, but once i knew what it meant, I was kinda releaved that im not the only one that really uses his brain and not base his judgment on what has been written centuries after the Prophet died. After a while i started rejecting most hadiths with ease, no backup from the quran? Straight fabrication! And now i found this Forum I really see the believe in hadiths very similiar to Christianity.

And this is my story, sorry for the long introduction giveup