Yeh cool thanks )

Hmmm, not sure music would be included here as intoxicant. Not that I would know of course. I readily admit I know nothing, I'm just exploring. Of course, music can be intoxicating, if we use it that way. Used moderately I would say for me it can be "moving" but not intoxicating. I mean, lots of things that aren't actual "substances" can be intoxicating- love, for example, even a fresh summer day, the smell of flowers etc.... are we to avoid all these too? Allahu alim, but I rather think it means alcohol and hashish and stuff.

I agree the word khimar is important. I take it to mean a head covering, which is why I wear it )

Peace,

Hafsa

Peace to you,

Thanks Wakas! That online root thing is way cool O0

I looked up "Jim-Ya-Ba" and you know it does say "chest" etc, but it also mentions "heart" which I thought was nice ) we should cover our hearts and not wear them on our sleeves lol.

Very funny, your debate with that dude- I think I could have articulated HIS argument better than he did rotfl

Hafsa

That sounds sensible and you're so right about being "sold" on the Qu'ran. However concerning judging things for ourselves and being sound or not, doesn't it say in the Qu'ran that some things will seem good for us but actually are not and other things we may not like but may be good for us?

H.

Thanks Arnab )

Many books (religious or not) can help us to understand how to do this. Many experiences help us to be close to God. Our thoughts even tell us when something is "right" or "wrong."

So even books of Hadith?

What worries me is slipping back into picking and choosing what suits me like I used to, from different sources. I was impressed with Qu'ran because it was so authoritative and its been preserved and it said basically well there are things you will think are good for you but aren't really and vice versa. My frail human thoughts surely can't be relied upon to discern right or wrong? Isn't that why we needed Qu'ran? I guess that brings us back to accepting stuff from other sources if it doesn't contradict Qu'ran eg hadith. But the message I'm getting from around here is that you could also be adding to the Qu'ran by doing that and the Qu'ran is complete and detailed. Oh boy I hardly understand what I just said, I hope someone else does!

And to David, thankyou also, is not a religion and a system the same thing really?

Gotta go, I have too many neglected children and too much housework!!

Hafsa

Peace,

Can anyone please help with advice on an English-Arabic dictionary for my studies? Is their such a thing as a "Qu'ranic" dictionary for exaple, either online or in print form?

A couple of terms I am interested in at the moment are;

1. "idle talk" where Allah is supposedly referring to music. I can't remember where the verse is, or what the Arabic term is. Could He be referring to hadith here? I would like to investigate further.

2. the Arabic term "juyubihinna". Not sure if I spelt that correctly. It's from one of the so-called "hijab" verses and I've seen it translated as "chest" and "bosom" and some translations even manage to get the face in there somehow, and one eye yeah So I would like to look into that one too.

Thanks to anyone who can help

Hafsa

Peace all,

When I first entered into Islam, everything felt clear and made sense. Then people started saying "Well now you can't have a credit card, you can't vote, you can't listen to music, can't can't can't..." and things began to be very unpleasant. I spent the next two years mainly being distracted by details like this from actually reading and studying the Qu'ran which is obviously the main thing, because this is God's instructions and we have the book! Thank Allah that I remained in Islam throughout this. Now I am completely single-minded about studing His word and following the Way to the best of my ability. I am not worrying so much about the length of my sleeves and am enjoying classical music again, marvelling at what beautiful gifts God has bestowed on some people.

But what I'm a bit confused about is, should it be "Qu'ran only" or "Qu'ran primarily"? What I think I mean is, yes we should try to purely follow the Qu'ran, but do we have to completely discard all the muslim traditions and history that, I guess (because I'm not sure) have come down mainly through hadith? Isn't that what history is, hadith? And are we doing ourselves a disservice in discarding our history? But on the other hand, especially when it comes to worship, how can we ever be sure we are doing the right thing when it has only come from a hadith and not from Qu'ran? But then I think about things like the Athan. To the best of my knowledge, which isn't much, this is not in the Qu'ran. But surely this is a tradition practised by the first muslims? Do we have to discard things like this because it's not in the Qu'ran? Can't we have our traditions as well as sticking staunchly to the Qu'ran as long as it doesn't contradict what Allah has said? Is there a way of extracting the true practices of the early muslims from all the rubbish? I suppose that's what Bhukari and his ilk tried to do. But then I read that Bhukari had political agendas etc which coloured his selection of authentic hadith.

I am just thinking aloud and I know I have many questions. I just feel like I need to nut all this out and I think my husband is a bit sick of hearing about it? But he certainly wonders about a lot of stuff, like the "prayers on the Prophet"- why do we pray to Allah to bless the Prophet and his family as if he's still alive? And why would Allah need us to do that and aren't they all in Jannah anyway? sigh

Sorry for the ramble but my head is so full of it at the moment,

Peace again,

Hafsa

Peace to you all,

I am Hafsa I am an Australian and have been attempting to practice Islam for just over two years. I came across free minds before and then put it away. Now, I am into it again and some of the stuff is just blowing my mind, although I'm not fully convinced of a lot of it (yet). I am enjoying the fresh yearning for knowledge that the questioning is giving me- I am in the Qu'ran every day again and getting up for fajr, thank Allah! I have heaps of questions. I understand the problems with hadith (well, a bit) but still find it hard to consider letting go entirely. I know our Qu'ran is clear and complete but I still have trouble figuring out how many salat from Qu'ran only and there seems to be disagreement about it here. Surely it should be clear for us? But I won't open that can of worms,I understand there is plenty of info on that topic. I feel that I just need to stick to the Qu'ran and really study it and things will come clear, God willing. I also have questions about the ka'ba etc...

Happy searching )

Hafsa