Peace,
I don't see the problem with space travel especially relatively short distances like to the moon.
what is needed is a propulsion system (which is owned by many countries worldwide) that provides the force
to move a vehicle, like a rocket, while a guidance system directs its path towards a target.
I'm ex-military and saw the two in action many times. As far as the earth being flat is just silly.
God bless you all
peace
PEACE,
Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but righteousness is one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask , and for freeing slaves; establishes prayer and gives zakah; fulfill their promise when they promise; and are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.
The ayat begins by stating that righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west.
Turning your face to the east or the west represents rituals. An unrighteous person can do rituals.
A righteous person prioritizes righteous behavior above all.
God bless you
peace
Peace MissMimi
welcome to the forum.
Peace Fusion, good logic.
Salam Hawk,
Think of it as universal database of divine knowledge ==> the governing system of reality, where both revelation and destiny originate. The Quran which is revealed in Arabic originates from a divine record that holds all revelations given to humanity across time, think of it as an installment from that grand source, adapted for human understanding (else divine wisdom operates on a scale beyond human perception).
Are you saying all truths are from the creator no matter the source? Am I to understand
from your point of view messengers from around the world throughout time were revealing what
was from the mother book?
Peace Hawk.
Sometimes "Kitab" means a written/record . i.e everything is recorded at GOD s.
These verses give us this context for example
Those who received the scripture rejoice in what was revealed to you; some others may reject parts of it. Say, "I am simply enjoined to Ubud God, and never associate any idols with Him. I invite to Him, and to Him is my ultimate destiny."
وَالَّذينَ ءاتَينٰهُمُ الكِتٰبَ يَفرَحونَ بِما أُنزِلَ إِلَيكَ وَمِنَ الأَحزابِ مَن يُنكِرُ بَعضَهُ قُل إِنَّما أُمِرتُ أَن أَعبُدَ اللَّهَ وَلا أُشرِكَ بِهِ إِلَيهِ أَدعوا وَإِلَيهِ مَـٔابِ
We revealed these laws in Arabic, and if you ever acquiesce to their wishes, after this knowledge has come to you, you will have no ally, nor a protector, against God.
وَكَذٰلِكَ أَنزَلنٰهُ حُكمًا عَرَبِيًّا وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعتَ أَهواءَهُم بَعدَما جاءَكَ مِنَ العِلمِ ما لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن وَلِىٍّ وَلا واقٍ
We have sent messengers before you, and we made them husbands with wives and children. No messenger can produce an Ayaat without God's authorization, and in accordance with a specific, predetermined time/period(already recorded at GOD).
وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا رُسُلًا مِن قَبلِكَ وَجَعَلنا لَهُم أَزوٰجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَما كانَ لِرَسولٍ أَن يَأتِىَ بِـٔايَةٍ إِلّا بِإِذنِ اللَّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتابٌ
God erases whatever He wills, and fixes. With Him is the original Master Record(about everything that happens).i.e GOD s plan is already recorded.)
يَمحُوا اللَّهُ ما يَشاءُ وَيُثبِتُ وَعِندَهُ أُمُّ الكِتٰبِ
GOD bless you.
Peace.
In your point of view is Arabic the only languages in the mother book?
God bless
peace
Peace All,
Interesting thread, I was wondering, what do members think of the verse about "Umm al-Kitab".
God bless you all.
peace
Peace TechyQuranist,
Our journeys are similar, Allah gave me permission to think, and it was a lonely journey
but I had no choice.
God bless you and welcome to the forum
Peace jkhan, welcome back to the forum handshake
Your translations are a bit cumbersome, why not choose one word without explanations.
Let your interpretations stand on their own and let the readers reach their own understandings
of the ayats.
God bless you
peace
Peace Zeinab
Welcome to the forum welcome
God bless you
Peace shukri,
The story of Iblees represents the negative side of mankind. Iblees (negativity) was
created before Adam. When the second form of mankind (the humans) was created Iblees
was instructed to prostrate to him. Prostrate is the wrong translation, look below and find
a more suitable translation. I have chosen below in bold what I think would be a better
explanation.
Siin-Jiim-Dal = lowly, humble, submissive, worship, adore, prostrate, make obeisance, lower/bend oneself down towards the ground, lower the head, to salute/honor/magnify, to pay respect, to stand up, to look continuedly and tranquilly.
MSJD - parts of a man that are the places of SJD, e.g. forehead/nose/hands/knees/feet etc. Any mode/place/practice in which the act of SJD is done.
Iblees and humans both have decedents until judgement day
1850 and when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange
The Jinn are people
And , when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur'an. And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly." And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as Warners.
God bless you.
peace
Angels and jinn are physical beings. Everything that has been created is material. In contrast, they have different physical characteristics from us. For example, they can be invisible, have strong telepathic abilities, etc. The one I saw appeared in the form of a child and was able to read my mind.
Peace Emre_1974tr,
According to the post above the jinn would be very few in number, I believe there
are not many people "able to read my mind" or do the jinn have other qualities. And are
these qualities listed in Quran?
God bless you.
peace
Peace,
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Humans divide into many religions and sects primarily because of the complex interplay between cultural evolution, geographical isolation, historical interpretations of religious texts, and the inherent human need for community and belonging, leading to diverse belief systems that can vary significantly across different societies and even within the same religious tradition; essentially, people interpret and practice religion differently based on their unique circumstances and perspectives.
May I add, religious leaders seek power and influence over the masses for
personal gain.
God bless you all.
peace
Peace Brother Ervin,
Selam Aleikum,
Without Hadith you don’t have a clue when to pray or how.
We learn the salat from others, the prayer is from tradition like the clothes we wear.
There are some wonderful Hadith, of course not all of them are true but no one is saying that they are all true, apart from maybe wahabis or isis or someone deluded like that. I urge you all to look into it, there is so much information and explanation in the Hadith for so many things.
I agree inspiration and information can be garnered from stories (hadith) true or false.
And in the Quran Allah SWTA says to obey Allah and His messenger,
True, but we cannot obey Muhammad, the people of his time were ordered to obey
the messenger but he is gone and not available to us so we cannot logically obey him. '(
so stop lying to yourself that that only means to follow the Quran. No matter how many Quran alone arguments you provide, they can be easily refuted. Some people do it because it’s easier, less rules. I’m not saying il start straight away praying 5 times a day, I might start with juma first because I’ve been on psych drugs for many years and I’m totally worn out, I hope Allah SWTA gives me my strength back.
Anyway, think about the judgment day and that hell is in most cases eternal.
Thanks
The argument is not between hadith believers and Quran alone believers it's
who understands our creator's guidance.
Both the words Hadith & Sunnah are in the Quran. Both of them refer to God's
Sunnah and God's Hadith. There is no such thing as prophet Muhammad's Hadith or
prophet Muhammad's Sunnah. Most the Muslims fail to realize that following words
other than that of God is defined in the Quran as idolatry (619).
God bless you.
peace
Peace JinnJinn,
Humans have become familiar with calling ourselves 'people' as if there is no other beings who can be called people. Jinn beings are people/kauwm. They are men and women like human beings. The only difference is that they are Jinn beings. That's why we both are the only worthy two creatures destined to live in Hell or Paradise once our trial is done.
So, you understand the verse litterally that the Jinn are people? Could you describe their physical appearance?
46'29 never states they, themselves opted to visit, but it states Allah diverted them to reach towards the Messenger of the Quran since it was meant for guidance. Once they listened to what they listened they returned to where they came from as they were to pass the message of truth to their beings i.e. Jinn beings (people).
Why do you refer to them as beings? Beings has an alien sound to it.
If you are interested in for info, in my perspective, Jinnbeings are not invisible but they are visible, but they don't approach us and they live in Antarctica which is their homeland on Earth while they reach beyond what humans could ever go in the skies. They are far beyond our technology. Jinns did work for Sulaiman and they were not invisible in their true physic. Neither Malaks/controllers are invisible but Controllers opt to be invisible (to both jinns and humans) with the will of Allah in their own figures, but they are visible when they disguise themselves as human beings for their respective missions.
How did you find their location?
God bless you.
peace
Peace ALL,
What are your interpretations/understandings of verse 4629.
Peace Jinn,
Who are the people referred to in 4629. what nation, community, ethnicity etc.
And , when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur'an. And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly." And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners.
God bless you.
peace
Hello Hawk 99,
The responses from artificial intelligence to my views and questions regarding this topic and the technology of computers/screens/televisions in the Afterlife Universe
The comment of GPT-01 on the verse
"Explicit Mention of "Nineteen" as a Test of Faith
The Quran's mention of nineteen as the number of angels guarding Hell is presented as a straightforward fact. This specificity can be seen as a challenge to those who doubt or reject the message. In traditional Islamic thought, details like this serve to reinforce the seriousness and literal reality of the Quran's warnings. For believers, this detail can strengthen their conviction, as it underscores that God has detailed knowledge and control over every aspect of the afterlife. For skeptics, however, such details may invite mockery or doubt, which the Quran acknowledges by mentioning those with "sickness in their hearts."
Role of Numerical Details in the Quran
Numbers in the Quran often serve various functions, sometimes adding a sense of order or precision to God's creation and judgment. The number nineteen here might emphasize that the punishments and structures of the afterlife are not arbitrary but meticulously organized. By giving specific numbers, the Quran conveys a sense of divine order and purpose, reminding believers that everything in the afterlife is part of a well-defined system. For example, other verses mention specific numbers of years, days, or people involved in significant events, which serve to add a concrete, almost tangible aspect to the teachings.
Faith, Doubt, and Human Disposition
The verses emphasize how different people respond to divine messages based on their inner state. Those with faith see the detail of nineteen angels as something that reaffirms their belief, while skeptics see it as an invitation for criticism or disbelief. This touches on a recurring theme in the Quran faith is not merely a matter of intellectual acceptance but also of the heart's condition. Those with doubt or "sickness in their hearts" are predisposed to question or reject divine signs, while believers are inclined to trust and accept them. This dichotomy illustrates the Quran's view that faith is as much about one's spiritual state as it is about one's intellectual understanding.
Divine Will in Guidance and Misguidance
The passage’s mention that "God misguides whom He wishes and guides whom He wishes" is an important theological point. In Islamic theology, this statement reflects the belief in God's absolute sovereignty and His role in guiding or leaving people astray based on their inner dispositions and choices. While human beings have free will, God's ultimate control over guidance and misguidance implies that faith is a blessing granted by God. This statement reinforces the Quran's message that belief is both a choice and a gift, and it reminds believers to remain humble and grateful for their guidance.
Interpretive Debates Among Scholars
Historically, some scholars, like Fakhr al-Din al-Razi and Ibn Kathir, interpreted "nineteen" as a literal number representing the specific count of angels guarding Hell. They argued that the Quran provides this detail to convey clear information, warning believers of the organized and serious nature of divine punishment. Others, however, especially in modern times, have suggested that there might be deeper meanings or patterns associated with the number, possibly symbolic, though this view is less common in classical exegesis.
The verse itself does not delve into why the number nineteen specifically was chosen, which has left room for scholarly exploration. Some have looked into numerological interpretations or connections to mathematical patterns, although these interpretations remain speculative and are not universally accepted.
In summary, the mention of "nineteen" in these verses serves multiple purposes
It presents a specific, explicit detail about the guardians of Hell, underscoring the seriousness and precision of divine judgment.
It acts as a test, separating believers who accept it as divine truth from skeptics who question it.
It highlights the theological themes of divine guidance and the inner disposition of individuals, reminding readers that faith and doubt often stem from deeper spiritual conditions.
Finally, it illustrates the Quran's approach to certain knowledge, where some details are provided to provoke reflection, encourage belief, and deepen the sense of divine mystery and order.
These verses, therefore, reinforce central themes in the Quran the balance between faith and skepticism, the importance of spiritual disposition, and the ultimate knowledge and control of God over all things, including the afterlife."
GPT O1
Peace
Peace Emre_1974tr,
Outstanding analysis, so basically the verse is a test. It exposés as well as
separates acceptors from the doubters of the revelation to all. Feel free to ad to
my understanding.
God bless you
peace
Peace brother Emre_1974tr,
Have you applied AI technic to 7431? If so, could you give your results thereof.
I would greatly appreciate it.
God bless you.
peace
Peace Jinn,
Who are the people referred to in 4629. what nation, community, ethnicity etc.
And , when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur'an. And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly." And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners.
Peace centi50,
Could we address their points of contention one at a time, rather than having to sit
thru their entire discussion. pr
God bless you
peace
Then translate 2441?
There's another survey of 240M flat earthers like yourself.
Now fk off, go sjudu yourself you dumb lowlife jinnjkan fk!
Peace Bajram Hoxhaj and Emre_1974tr
From the time when jinnjinn joined the forum I suspected it was Jkhan on a revenge tour.
He gave himself away with statements like "lovely" and his determination to fight over words.
I wish the brother well.
God bless you
peace
You look so proud in your replies but zero, unfortunately.
You neglected the core I presented and still remain happy with what you say without any explanation for it.
Hey Jinn,
Core? nope You offered nothing.
God bless you
peace