Salam all,

Thanks for the warm welcome and I am happy that indeed there are Indonesian here. Apa khabar semua ? nanti saya gabung sama milis anda.
For Arlnold, basically the ritual prayers or 5 times prayer facing ka'baa is the one that mislead people. I pray to God also such as utering, "please God ha
ve a mercy on me" when I feel depressed etc. and remembering HIM as I am a wake.

What concern me regarding this kind of forum is typically I want some feed back for us who spread the guidance to the real society, at least to family and our neighbour. We can not just be proud to be different like others but we need to measure how sucess are we in this challenge ? how many person you had been changed. It is all about giving life and help others into God direction.

AND I will bring you all to a view (persfective) that we need to DEAL with this and have sense of urgency. We need to see this as a PROJECT. every project have a goal (objective) and we need to finish the target in timely manner. We need to derives problem, what causing it ?, why are people rejecting the guidance?. What is the risk and how we minimalize it. We are, I believe, more knowledgable rather than Muhammad in term of management and technology. We need to use multimedia to make them easy to understand. We need resources and money. The man is already dead (wafat) and it is time for us to go forward to continue his mission. This I believe the teach of the Quran. The message had delivered, what can we do ?

Peace,
Heri N

Salam all,

For believers and challenger (Muhajirin) who reject sunna, hadith, ritual prayer please join in this groups to discuss our strategies

http//groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGreatChallenges

Let set some measure of our struggle

Peace,
Heri

Hi,

Is there any forum only for people who reject ritual prayer, curse ka'aba stone in mecca etc. so that we can discuss on how to make easy formulation in order to spread our reasons to believe. As we know it is our duty to take Alhajj (the challenge) in promoting God's rule (way). I've been took the challenge mostly in my society in Indonesia but most of time rejected (I got only my wife and my kids who believe). Which happen also to any messengers long time ago. I've been condemmed and threatened to death if I continue spread the message. But the more I get rejected, the more I believe that I deliver the true teach of God because Quran says even the prhopet complain most of his people (which is most all muslim in the world) has reject the quran and follow other sources.

As God says it is a "great" challenge and if rejected by people then we need to take an easy part so most stupid ones will understand. But I haven't found what is the easy way to make simple explanation understandable. We need to have sense of urgency in this because we know that Go will help us and give us rewards our good deeds.

Maybe we can make in yahoo groups or whereever. Let's take the challenge. (Not like theirs believe of challenge which only to travel to Mecca..... what an easy challenge... everybody with reason and sense of humor will actually smile with this stupidity)

Peace all of you,
Heri N