Peace all,

Good logic so after sex ablution is for both sexes? But quran says if had intercourse with a woman ??? ?
Female-Female Both should take a bath, Male-Female only male should bathe since he is the one who had intercourse with a woman? -\ ?
Looks like a woman can jump straight to salat after having sex, if she is not lesbian of course.
Forgive me if I am missing your point here, dont want to cause any annoyance.

Huruf, thats an interesting interpretation of the word junub, I couldt find much about this word on the internet.
That's a riveting sentiment about quran having different outlooks, I certainly will have to think about it.
Thank you for sharing the authors name.

Best Regards.

Peace good logic,

Honestly I haven't really given it much thought. I always took the popular interpretation of this word for granted, something like "dirty" I think.
Though know I see that most of the time this word is used in its other forms, it conveys the meanings of "avoid" and "distance". Maybe this word really means something else since that part of ayat speaks about passing through a way. But again what I am saying is pure speculation since I have no knowledge of arabic language or grammar.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=43#(4431)

But, back to the topic if you will, you mean ablution after sex is decreed to everyone(men and women) in another ayat? If so, why would God specify an ablution for men after having sex with women? I dont want anyone to get me wrong I know that this is not necessary for our salvation but I have encountered many people who brought forth ayats like this to prove that quran is sexist and either addressees only men or prefers men to women.

Thank you.

Peace to all.

When an English speaking person asks me this question I say that I am a monotheist, for me it already implies submission to God and only God, makes a clear distinction from others like sunni/shia, Christians and Jews etc.. )

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Peace all,
Thank you for your replies.

Yes good logic I agree that because of the word "believers" this ayah addresses both sexes, but it decrees "ablution after sex" only after with contact with women which in reference to women would imply a lesbian sex (?) ???

Huruf, I totally agree with you that we should wash before salat. What you say about carelessness of men also makes sense but on the other hand because of the part about approaching women it may seem to some that quran refers to men and is only concerned about their hygiene.

Could there be a translations mistake? A deliberate sexist translation/interpretation of quran by sunni/shia sectarians to show as if quran refers only to men?

God bless you.

Peace all.

So I am kind of new here and have been interested to see if others have noticed this but didnt find anyone clarifying this. Maybe its an obvious thing to some but frankly I dont understand the part of 443 about sex. So if a man had sex with a woman he should take a bath before approaching salat, but the woman who had sex with him should not? Quran says to perform ablution if one had a sexual contact with a woman, it doesnt just say "had sex".

O you who believe, do not come near the contact prayer while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying. Nor if you have had intercourse, unless a wayfarer, until you wash. And if you are ill, or traveling, or one of you has excreted feces, or you had sexual contact with the women, and could not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and hands. God is Pardoning, Forgiving.

Thank you.