Hi everyone..
Last decade or so I shared my knowledge and I learned as well by being in this forum..
My advice to true believers is RELY on the DIvine alone and seek from Him alone .. such forums and conversations and debates help but nothing is like the Divine guidance.. Keep reading the Quran and explore the living scripture in parallel ... Keep doing good things in life and try to avoid evils as much as you can... Never put anyone on a pedestal. Just rely on the Divine..

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@good-logic

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2:136 State! ‘We have concurred in the Divine and what originated upon us and what originated towards Ibrahim, and Ismaeel and Ishac and Yauqub as well the continuity moreover, what rendered Mosa and Eisa and what rendered the illuminating ones from their Lord. Not we differentiate between one among them, while we for Him assenting.’
2:285 Entrusted the dispatcher, in what is revealed unto him from his Lord, even the concurring ones. Everyone concurred in the Divine, and His executors, and His ordainments, and His dispatchers. ‘Not we differentiate between anyone of His dispatchers.’ Even they stated, ‘We heeded and undertook – Our Lord, grace You us, while unto You is the fate.’

People asking me to explain then the above two verses.. Here I presented my translations..

These two verses are not accepting Islam or becoming Muslim.. It is the TRUST in the Divine.. you never read anyone's scripture of the past.. You don't know the scripture of Ibrahim and his sons etc.. but you trust that the same message in them. Same you trust in Malaika, you have never seen.. It is not the agreement between the Divine and you to ASSENT.. Muslim is totally different..

Even notice how 2:136 is ending as Muslimun cus they already in the process of Assenting.. Muslim/Muslimun/Muslimeen are related to grammar.. Muslim, someone who assent, Muslimun Assenting one, i.e. the one doing that action, and MusliMeen is the did that action.. all same but grammar wise different..

So, above verses are about TRUST in the Divine and His actions and in His main figures.. You won't become Muslim by trusting these entities.. You should have that AGREEMENT with the Divine.. Then you are a Muslim.. Never ascribe, never follow other paths.. Other paths itself ascribing to the Divine.

@good-logic
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@Fusion

Yes brother Fusion.. Let's leave the guidance to the Divine alone.. Let's seek with honesty and integrity.. May the Divine guide us..

I got a message from a member.. He has always thought that a Muslim is someone who follows the religion Islam, or sometimes he thought a Muslim is the one who believes in God, and as you are aware, traditionally, Muslim means or begins with the statement of 'La Ilaha Illah Allah'.. Further, he stated, this thread and the explanation of Muslims makes much sense, and like you, he thanks.. But he wants to know, then what does 'Believe in Allah and do good deeds' mean?

Well, brother, Nothing from the above is Muslim.. You are already aware what it is now..
Let me address the second part of your question.. yes. It is not simply to believe in the Divine.. One has to concur in the Divine, then accompany all good deeds and avoid evils.. Concurring in the Divine doesn't become with words or just cus someone ask you to do.. It comes with lots of reasoning through the Living Scripture.. So you get convinced that the Divine exists, and No other option.. There, you decide to concur in the Divine.. It can happen while reading 'Revelations' of the Divine, too, but without the Living Scripture to buttress it won't happen.. So, that's called in general language, 'Believing in the Divine'.. When you believe in the Divine, you won't become a believer or Mumin.. Mumin is the development of 'FAITH' with many layers, optimistically, where doubts are clarified .. It's full of actions.. But you have to always remain as a MUSLIM until death cus its the agreement with the Divine not to follow any other path and not to associate with the Divine anything.. If you deviate from this manifest agreement, you are not a Muslim anymore.. You can't violate the deal with the Divine.. You may kill a person, and you won't lose your deal with the Divine.. You are still a Muslim.. But, the killing is your evil action for which the Divine has not given permission, unless for the reason given.. So, you have to reform, or you should go through the procedure that you deserve for the killing.. Yet you are still Muslim.. The reason hypocrites are destined to hell, though they believe in the Divine, is that they violated the deal of being a Muslim, plus their ACTIONS were never with faith.. Thank you..

NOTE: Brother Good Logic, I sent you a PM in case you have not seen it..

I can understand your situation brother.. Cus I was there..

The problem is whoever translated in the past, they had an agenda and they never ASSSENTED/ASLAMA to the Divine with the concept of Relying only in the Divine path.. They looked at the Quran through another lens, that's tradition and culture and hadith books.. So, they would find Haj as those fabrications portray and not as what the Quran, i.e. the Divine teaches us... Rely on the Divine alone, you will know what the truth of this Quran, and this is an amazing book for those who seek truth..

All prophets from the time of Ibrahim did the same thing.. They had a mission of 'AWAKENING' a wider area of people, rather than just delivering to a very minute community as they do daily.. Haj/Betaking was a huge event and only possible once those Messengers/Prophets were well established in the society with a sufficient number of followers..

As Quran states in the story of Ibrahim/Yaqub..

2:132 Moreover, Ibrahim transmitted by it his sons including Yauqub, ‘O my sons, verily the Divine has refined for you the commitment, so do not die, unless while you are in a state of assenting ones.

It is so clear, being a Muslim is almost freed from Hell.. Cus this Muslim has a big meaning as I stated in my earlier threads.. 'ISLAM" is a massive step forward, i.e. an agreement with the Divine subjectively not to follow any path other than the Lord's, the Divine path.. He should maintain this ASSENT, In which there cannot be any Ascribing.. This is the savior from Hell, though he may not get the degree of Janna that the concurred and well-practiced person may get..

Ibrahim's sons and grandsons are not born as Muslims.. Everyone has to have that commitment with the Divine... Unfortunately, we call traditional Muslims or conventional Muslims while they are NOT AT ALL MUSLIMS.. cus they never ASSENTED with the Divine not to follow anything other than the path of the Divine.. They already had their path, which is not at all the path of the Divine.. They are not Muslims.. Though we call them Muslims and they claim they are Muslims.. They believe in God, Yes.. Yet they never assented... Even Iblees believes in God... Believing in God doesn't make a person a MUSLIM.. Their belief is nothing while they don't/won't AGREE with the Divine not to go off track of HIs path..

Time will heal your issues, yet you need to seek vigorously having the faith in the Divine alone..

Hi brother Fusion..
Let me chime in with your questions aimed at GL.. We are trios here, unfortunately.

If you ask how to perform HAJ, it means you know what Hajj is according to the Quran, but you don't know how to perform it.. It sounds so ritual.. lol.. If you have read my translations where Haj verses occur up to chapter 6, you might notice a clear contrast... Meanwhile, let me add some verses from chapter 22 which I have not yet translated fully.. Glaring verses.. Never you might have read like this before.. Read below..

22:26 And when We did incur to Ibrahim, the awakening stance that not to ascribe with Me a thing, thus, distinctify my awakening to the disseminating ones, and the undertaking ones, yet the persuading of the acknowledging.
22:27 Then, broadcast concerning the chaos at the betaking; as they portray improvisations, yet on every unsophistication; they portray from every wilderness of disparity.
22:28 So that they involve counteractions for them, and consider the Divine attribute during episodes of realities on what He has contented them through a state of enhancement of the blessings. So, internalize through it, yet motivate the rendering of the suffering.
22:29 Accordingly, let them conclude their impurities, thus let them fulfill their avows, then let them permeate with the freedom of the awakening.

A keyword here is 'Incurred'.. Yes, the Divine did incur to Ibrahim and it contains lot of hardships that Ibrahim went through.. Then, out of it came the birth of 'AWAKENING/Bayt'.. The stance of the Awakening has its core function.. That is to let people know that never to ASCRIBE with the Divine anything..

So what is the purpose of HAJ, i.e. BETAKING? Betaking for what? Betaking to get the AWAKENING and the stance of awakening is not to ascribe.. But, how to get clarification is done by Ibrahim towards people..

Here in 22:27 'Al Nass' is not the People, but its one of the root meaning is chaos.. Al Nass = the Chaos.. People are filled with chaos.. So, It was Ibrahim's duty initially to 'Broadcast concerning the chaos at the Betaking/Haj.. and then read the self explanatory verses.. The Divine intend that people get rid of impurities and find the truth through the Awakening through events of realities..

Well, if you are good enough to grasp, you will.. Otherwise, you will end up simply doubting.. I understand your position.. Let the Divine open your mind, until then, these verses won't make any sense to you while you have read translations of these verses many times and they are absorbed in your thoughts.

Do you want to subscribe to a religion? Let’s concentrate about some intelligent agnostics and atheists who comes very close to find the Divine behind all existences, yet when they find all religions of the world are man-made inventions plus scriptures like Al Quran doesn’t portray the true picture to them in many verses, since the holders of Al Quran claiming to belong to the religion called Islam and its followers called Muslims, have corrupted its true meaning superficially while words of the Divine in Arabic remain unaltered, thus, these atheists and agnostics simply move away from the scripture, thinking that Al Quran also a book of nonsense, like the Bible etc..
What if these agnostics and atheists opened their eyes for a second, hey! Wait a minute.. We understand that all these religions are man-made and there is no doubt about it, but does it mean that the Divine doesn’t exist? Why should I involve these religions and deduce through these religious lenses the truth as it never shows the truth, and that ultimately lead to deny the Divine that surely exists? What if all these religions went wrong while I am looking for a religion through which I could find the Divine? How can these religions pave inroads to such perspicacious people? Yes, some read certain verses of al Quran, but what they do in emotions instantly, they convert to Islam cus they think the Religion of the Divine is Islam.. So, unfortunate.. They are very close, and their concerns are so near to cross the line and find their Lord, had they relied on the living scripture with their own lens.. But, they too looked at a segment of living scripture, i.e. truth of the Earth and the Heavens in different lens, not in natural lens.. They went on to believe the conspiracy that everything began with a Big Bang and led them ultimately to contemplate that there is no Divine behind it.. The theory of the Universe is too complicated to apply a creator behind it and No place for a creator in that theory, cus the Universe doesn’t exist.. It exists in theory and for that theory, you don’t need a creator, cus the one who created the precept and its core of the universe wanted the very thing, i.e. to mislead people while he is misled.. The number one weapon to mislead the intelligent people is to impart to them that this is a Universe and it has nothing to do with a creator.. It’s all a random accidental blast.. lol.. How, if one was indoctrinated throughout his education of this theory, would ever find the Divine, on top of that all religions are corrupted and man-made stuffs.. That side of the living scripture has a theory and the theory they fabricated is not the truth… So jammed the path of these intelligent atheists and agnostics as conspired..
So, they did not SUBSCRIBE to any religion and preferred to remain in their stance. But they are closer, only thing they want to know to come out of this shackle is to find out ‘WHERE THEY LIVE AND ITS TRUTH’; Then they will find the Divine certainly… But, very few would come along that line, unfortunately.. If they are staunch enough with their natural observation over what they were taught, they would find the Divine behind this design, and be loyal to the Divine in their own way.. But, the trap of the Satan is too deep and bottomless, and whoever is fallen to that rabbit hole, is very improbable that he comes out of it.. Yet, the best chance to rebel and find the Divine is these atheists and agnostics if they remain honest, and not those who already SUBSCRIBED to a religion and that’s a pit, that’s too dark and too far to shed some light.. That’s a stark polarity, isn’t it?

The Failure of Man-Made Religions, and the Dominance of a Godless Scientific Paradigm rule the world.. Well planned, O you Satan.. That’s why the most Djinn succeed than men 6:128.. Satan can’t fool the Djinn.. Yet, they fail, only cus they reject knowingly and thus they rebel while human fall to the trap of Satan..

Yes.. Fusion..

The Divine guidance is spiritual and not physical guidance.. Look at the Quran to get spiritual guidance..

Regarding Haj..

Haj = Betaking..
Bayt = Awakening
Awwal = Source..
How can Ibrahim spread the message to wider communities around his location..
Yes.. Call/Summon them all who wish to attend to spread the message of Awakening laid down to them by the Divine..
So, they betake in a place where Ibrahim summoned and Ibrahim proclaimed it .. And from there onwards 'AWAKENING' the people took place.. Yes, upto prophet Mohmed this same procedure took place.. Let people Betake in the Awakening.. Unfortunately.. now it has become a ritual in some alien place.. This is an invention in the 7 or 8th century by people who did not know what Haj was in Quran and they supported with their own invention and incorporated with their cube..

3:85 And whoever desires outside the assent (Al Islam), a commitment (Deen), so it is never accepted from it, while it is, in the state of progressiveness, among the lost ones.

Such a powerful verse, yet only to those who grasp it..
Some have concerns as they question me.. let me clarify..
As I stated, ‘Muslims are not meant to follow ISLAM’, yet Muslims/Assented ones should follow the Path of their Lord that is uniform’.. Islam is not something (creed or set of laws or religion) that one has in it so that he follows Islam.. Al Islam is just ‘The Assent, or if you prefer, The Submission’… You can’t follow the submission..
So what is ‘ASSENTING to the Divine’? Ibrahim was asked by the Divine, ‘Aslam/Assent and Ibrahim said, “I have assented.”.. What is this Muslim/Assented one or the state of ‘The Assent/Al Islam’?.. It is a subjective agreement between a self and its Lord, the Divine, to assent to everything the Divine commands and never to assent to any other entity. It's a two way agreement.. It is not like the Divine exists and the Divine is one.. No.. The Divine exists, one knows, and that’s why he assents in the first place.. It is not ‘Aslama’.. If I present with an analogy, it is like you are bound to work only for ‘ABC’ company, and not for any other company under any circumstances… It is not like ‘ABC’ company exists, so you consent it..
So, the one who assented/aslama and became a Muslim/Assented one is self-bound to obey the Divine when the Divine commands/commanded.. So, he gradually enhances his life as a concurring one / Mumin cus he starts to follow the path of the Divine alone away from all associations..
Now, let’s look at the above verse..
What does outside the Assent mean? i.e ghairi Al Islam.
To perceive that, let’s see what ‘Deen’ is? DEEN = COMMITMENT.. Yes, people are committed in life.. Doing many things in life with commitment, be it in general life or ethical life, their respective religious rituals etc.. all positive commitment to life is futile if one has not assented to the Divine, i.e. The Divine, our Lord’s path alone.. Remember Muslim is not the same believing in the Divine and having commitment in life.. Nope.. There are many religious people who believe in the Divine, and they have a life commitment, but their path is not from the Divine; thus, they have not ‘ASSENTED’ … Assent or submit to the Divine doesn’t mean one believes in the Divine, note the contrast well.. for instance, Traditional Muslims, Jews and some Christians believe in the Divine, but they all have not ‘ASSENTED/Aslama’ to the Divine path, they have some other agenda.. They all are NOT MUSLIMS.. They have not done their foundation right.. When the foundation is faulty, nothing goes right.. cus the foundation of assenting is to agree with the Divine, that I am not going to take any other path except Yours…
That’s why the Divine asks this…

3:83 So, is it other than the Divine commitment, they crave…..

Now there are people who naturally first found out the existence of the Divine, like Ibrahim did, and then with that conviction of propensity, they assent to the Divine, i.e. to the path of the Divine alone.. They may not have read the Divine revelations, but all that they do matches with the Divine path, which is so inbuilt and so natural..
The one who doesn’t CONSCIENTIZE, the one who doesn’t read everything from ‘the Living Scripture’, will never find a way to the ancient Divine revelations which gives to him a sort of confirmation..

Yes, Islam is the fastest-growing religion on Earth, but their SUBSCRIPTION has no worth at all.. No one is considered Muslim who does not agree with the Divine subjectively to adhere to the Divine path alone.

Brother Fusion...
Keep it simple.. Ask the same question to yourself... Perhaps you will find answers through the Quran..

Let me shed some light through Al Quran for you to grasp.. My translations..

3:95 State! ‘The Divine has confirmed, so pursue—conviction of propensity of Ibrahim. While he was not among the ascribed ones.’
3:96 Indeed, a source of awakening laid down to the humans—as for the one in a state of lamentation; steadying as guidance to the identities.
3:97 In it, manifest lessons of Ibrahim’s stance—so whoever admitted it, became assured. And as for the Divine, upon the humans—Betake in the awakening, whoever abided unto its tenets. But whoever rejected, then the Divine is of relief from the identities.

Look brother...The Divine never built a physical building to guide people.. Physical structure won't guide anyone, and it will lead only to ascribing to the Divine ...

If you comprehend the above verses, you will never take any physical structure in your life.. But it all depend with the Divine guidance and your approach though..

First of all the Divine tested Ibrahim for a long time.. Ibrahim succeeded.. Mainly his CONVICTION of PROPENSITY (Millat Ibrahim Hanif) was so captivating.. He was unique.. Any human to emulate a character, none you find than the 'Conviction of Propensity of Ibrahim'.. It is an authenticated and tested by the Divine.. Then through Ibrahim's Propensity, the Divine worked out a System..
That is 'Source of Awakening' i.e. Awwal Bayt.. Awwal =Source, Bayt = Awakening.. Check deeply the root of Arabic in lexicon for verification..
So this 'Source of Awakening' is a salutary for those seeking guidance through Divine revelations..
Then if you read the self-explanatory verse 3:97 it is clear.. Neither Ibrahim nor any building guides others, what guides is the source of awakening the Divine figured out for people leading to convictions of propensity..

To further fortify, pls read below verses..

2:124 And when His Lord tried Ibrahim with directives then he accomplished them. He said that I am placing you for the humanity of a foundation, he said ‘Even from my offspring?’ He said, ‘Not aims my covenant of the erred ones.’
2:125 And when We made the awakening, a state of haven to the humans and an assurance while engaging from Ibrahim’s stance a point of connection. Further, We covenanted into Ibrahim and Ismaeel to distinctify my awakening to the disseminating ones, and the dedicated ones, while the persuading of the acknowledging.
2:126 And when stated Ibrahim, ‘Lord! Make this element secure and gratify its embraced ones with the yields, whoever concurred among them, in the Divine and the progressive of the episode.’ He said, ‘While whoever rejected, I let it facilitate a bit; subsequently, I afflict it into the harshness of humiliation and distress of the fate.
2:127 And when Ibrahim was promoting the outliving from the awakening, even Ismaeel, ‘Our Lord! Accept from us, verily you are the heeding of the revealing.
2:128 ‘Our Lord! as well make us assented ones to You, and from our offsprings a state of assenting community to You. Further, let us sense our ethicalities and orient ourselves. Indeed, You are the reorienting, the compassionate.
2:129 ‘Our Lord! And raise through them a dispatcher among them, educating upon them, Your explications and revealing them the ordainment and judgment while purifying them. Indeed You! You are the honor, the wise.’
2:130 And who is longing against convictions of Ibrahim except who has blundered, self of it? And, We had already refined him through the temporal, and he will surely be in the state of progressiveness to be among the reformed ones.
2:131 When said to him his Lord, ‘Assent!’ he said, ‘I have assented to Lord of the identities.’

Everything makes sense if you use your brain without any prejudice..

@Fusion

Yes, word of the Divine confirmed over them/us... When Nova said, No one will believe after this, my Lord. it means no one.. How can Nova be so sure.. These type of verses are so deep in meaning.. For example when the Divine states, 'I seal their Qalb/Thought so they don't reason'.. So, if the Divine created us and gave us a platform to live, why seal the thought, why not let us live our life span, one could ask and may sound like a reasonable question.. But, they won't concur in the Divine.. That's the word of the Divine.. After Mohmed's time.. people are doomed, and no need for prophets and messengers for those scatter in small numbers who seek guidance, and the Divine will take care of them with the ancient scripture plus living scripture..

How long will this world last without revelations? Revelations mattered in the past, and messengers and prophets were raised and people were warned.. We don't need or it is deemed we don't believe.. If the Divine wants to warn a community, He won't tell that community, go and read the ancient books written in alien language.. That's not a warning.. After Mohmed the Divine, discarded, as the word of the Divine is done.. If you still trying to follow Al Quran alone, and if you are honest, you are so fortunate, you are among the millions, just one the Divine showing mercy..

Yes, Fusion, Jahannam will be filled, unfortunately... But it is not burning in literal fire as they painted.. But it is complete suffering where no one would feel life in it.. and it advances.. Even one be patient in it or not, all the same..

@good-logic

That is Islam to GOD and His only religion to mankind.

The above is your comment.. Yes, I have taken out of context from your statement.. But if one reads GL’s complete statement, it may make sense.. The problem here is the word ‘RELIGION’, and this word has massive issues with it.. This word itself is a human invention, and there is no Religion without rituals, and the Divine never commanded Islam as a religion.. Remember, ‘Islam’ is an Arabic word.. And it cannot stand both as ‘Islam and religion’… If one asks, ‘What is your religion?’ Islam.. And there is nothing like that from the Divine.. Nothing called ‘Islamic’.. A Muslim doesn’t follow ‘ISLAM’.. Yet, a Muslim is the one who assented or, as they generally state, ‘Submitted one’.. and Islam is ‘Assent’ or, as they say, ‘Submission’.. So, clearly, a Muslim is not someone who follows Islam. Get that right, people.. There is nothing called Islam to follow..
‘Path of the Divine’ i.e. 6:126 ‘Sirath RabbiKa Musthakeem’ is not a religion..(it literally means Path/Method of your Lord uniform) If it is a religion, the Divine would have worded it as ‘Religion’ and not as ‘Sirat’.. Meanwhile, ‘Millat’ is ‘Conviction’, typically of the type of Ibrahim experienced.. So, Divine always preaches a Uniform method/path that is totally tested with Ibrahim’s Conviction/Millat…

You can never find a dictionary meaning to the word ‘RELIGION’ that doesn’t incorporate ‘RITUALS’.. Religions involve rituals, and that’s not ‘Siratha RabbiKa Musthakeem’… His path is in-built, and the living scripture always guides if they seek.. Living scripture cannot guide with rituals cus it doesn't exist in the living scripture.. 'Sirath RabbiKa Mustakeem' is universal devoid of human infusions and rituals..

Yes, Brothers, GL and Fusion…
“Look at how Qoran is now being studied by multitudes of people in all countries of different languages and races..”
The above is your comment. I think you did not get the nucleus of the rubric here.. Do you mean to say by the above comment that there are people who SUBSCRIBE to the religion of Islam and then read Al Quran, or those who already SUBSCRIBED, so they read Al Quran since it is their religion by birth? What are the modalities through which they understand Al Quran? Does Al Quran act as a beacon on its own to everyone, or are people compelled to read an Arabic book? If someone subsumes that what Ibraheem built was the cube in Mecca by reading either the Arabic Al Quran or translations, where would that lead? I don’t know.. I consider it sheer Idol worship, which has nothing to do with Ibrahim or the Divine revelations.. Yes, it is my subjective take, but with objectivity… Cus, my understanding coupled with comprehensive research, never allows me to receive as 99% buy it.. It doesn’t dovetail with the living scripture.. What do Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Far Eastern and Western people have to do with this cube? Do you cogitate as if it is divine? A mere building ever decorated and modified with all the wealth they have, and all the rituals going on daily and yearly? Is this why Ibrahim is the foundation for mankind? Lol.. What an irony, Ibrahim was totally against his people and even against his father for the same reason.. But, now in Ibrahim’s name, these rituals are fabricated..
Brother GL, my concern is, do we need to subscribe to any religion? If yes, which religion and why? If not, then why should people around the world (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc) read the Quran as if they found something in it, while those who hold the claim of the book, could not even find the truth of it? Imagine, hypothetically, you were standing in front of Mohmed while he is reading the Quran to his community, yet you don’t understand a word? So, did the Divine communicate to you; did the Messenger communicate to you? No, neither the Divine nor the messenger did communicate to you.. Language matters.. Are we to depend on others for the sake of language.. Or are we to learn this language.. That’s unfair.. Cross reference, how Djinn Beings said when they heard Al Quran.. Man, they understood, even they understood Torah.. And they left to spread the true message and not the falsehood like we receive..
My take is we are not WARNED.. No caveat for us.. but we are accountable.. We can’t run away from anything.. Cus the Divine communicates silently to all people.. Perhaps, even if we are warned or not warned all the same.. We won’t concur in the Divine.. The Divine put a full stop with a reason.. No more messages and no more prophetic messengers.. If the ancient message is valid for us, then why not the message through a messenger/prophet in a language we speak? Even when the Quran was revealed, the entire world was oblivious of Al Quran, except those who received the message in that community who knew the language.. When the message of Al Quran was completed to that community, can we impulsively claim that, Chinese were warned by Al Quran? Did the Chinese even come to know that there was something called Al Quran that existed? Implausible..
Every revelation was a mercy to that unique community… Cus warning took place.. That’s so specific from the Divine.. If no warning took place, perhaps, they (every nation) are doomed naturally, cus the Divine knows their destiny, they will not believe, and their ancestors were warned for sure, even after the warning came to them, they planted the seed of disbelief that never changes, cus it is drip-feeding.. After the warning and destruction, they never came out of it, and even their descendants loved the way of their ancestors.. No more warnings to Chinese or Japanese or Koreans or anyone, yet they all were warned, thus descendants are inhered by it… The word of the Divine is confirmed on us (entire world).. Bereft of Messengers we are and rightly doomed we are for ages.. But, the significant point is, a very minute number of people are there on this earth, scattered, and they concur in the Divine through the living scripture, and for them the ancient scriptures would open the path cus they seek and they are flame keepers.. For the rest, neither the living scripture nor the ancient scriptures would guide them, though they reach ancient scriptures, they won’t get the guidance, except for misleading and inventions and religions, and sects....Yes even the living scripture misled them, cus they won’t use their own lens..
That’s my take.. If it doesn’t make sense, let me know why.. The Divine never created any religion; all religions are man-made..

Well, I can't agree with you on this...
Yes everyone knows who Muslims are, either they are notoriously known as terrorists, or known as the people who procreate many children, or known as the religion of polygamy...
Yes, it is permeated and there is internet, but crux is do they know the truth of Al Quran.. Is the truth of Al Quran represented in Arabic to Arab world or the truth of the Al Quran pervaded to non-Arabs through translations.. Is the religion 'Islam' doing any justice to the message of the Divine?

What is available masses as you claim, do they know the truth? Or they know the falsehood and think it is the truth from the Divine?
I can't agree with you in this.. When I saw a Japanese man converted to so called religion of Islam and went to say the famous shahada and went all the way to Mecca and kiss the holy stone, i was looking at the sky and asking the Divine, 'Did you guide this man, My Lord' or he chose the misguidance?
Why I say Arabic Quran is corrupted cus it can only be reached by those who rebel and not for those who embrace the religion of Islam? Do you agree the dilemma going around?
Are we warned?

Thank you, brother, for your interjection in this topic..

Yes, I concur with you that we need a revelations to recapitulate what the living scripture teaches us already.. Yes, one can certainly live a life ethically while concurring in the Divine without the Divine revelations.. But the Divine words are more influential and cogent than the Divine creations, i.e. Living Scripture.. If I present you with an analogy, it is like one is watching how hot chocolate milk is made daily while he never tastes it.. The moment he tastes he feels the difference.. Yes, we explore everything in the living scripture, but when you get confirmation in the revelation, it is the same as tasting the hot chocolate milk one kept observing daily.. But what if he is denied tasting the chocolate milk? Do you know what I mean? What if one cannot reach Al Quran in its pristine message? And how can one choose Al Quran while he doesn’t understand it, and even if he chooses the Quran, the message is definitely corrupted. He won’t get the cream and the essence of the message unless he spends most of his time with the Quran… Do people have time for this? Even the core message, wisdom, history, prophecies, hell and heaven, creations, stipulations, laws etc., all are corrupted in Arabic plus translations.. That’s why people like you and me are following the Quran alone, not the religion per se.. Still, we differ in certain perspectives.. Fine.. But, the majority cannot reach the Quran cus it is corrupted, though some other sources.. Thus, people are left with no choice other than to follow the scholars.. Well, they would have succeeded if they had remained with the living scripture in this scenario rather than banking on scholars.. They are accountable cus they did not use their lens..
So, how can they put a stake in the ground while they rely not in the Divine alone.. Even if we try to open their eyes, it is like water off a duck’s back.. They are deeply immersed in their respective religions, and they don’t care about a minority’s voice like us.. Who caused this pathological condition in these people? Neither the living scripture guided them nor the revelations.. Everything is moot.. They are protagonists of their creed and they root for it..
Could a living messenger/prophet have changed the scenario? Why did the Divine not continue with prophets always up until the end time, so all are warned, instead of looking at an ancient scripture.. Or are we also a legion of people who can be labelled under this phrase ‘Warn them or don’t warn them, they won’t believe’ or 'We sealed their hearts/thoughts'?
Are we warned? If YES, is it through the Quran that which majority of the populace have never read or the Living Scripture? Even those who had read did they understand it to claim they were warned?

I do appreciate your long reply brother Fusion..

Let's seek guidance, for that let's rely on the Divine alone always..

Yes, 'Living Scripture' cannot be changed by anyone and for some people unfortunately Living scripture is the God.. No.. Yes, everything created by the Divine makes Him literally the Divine for the created beings.. Otherwise, we don't have any reason to call Him the Divine.. His creations proves He is God.. Isn't it? But nature, living scripture itself is not the Divine.. They won't succeed if they fall to that trap as well..

The important point is NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE LIVING SCRIPTURE.. But, Satan can change your LENS and how you see the nature.. If one doesn't see the nature through his own lens and instead see the living scripture though some other lens then it is not the LIVING SCRIPTURE anymore for him.. If we are indoctrinated by some theories and dictums then we see through a filter..
For example, if there is no HORIZON and the horizon never exists and still if we believe it exists just cus we are taught the Earth is bending or curving so that's why the Horizon exists then our lens is filtered.. Hope you get me.. Don't go deep to that rabbit hole.. Just an example. But living scripture has everything to learn, not only the shape of the Earth.. But hold your feet to the fire and zero in on so you will realize what is the Living Scripture is and significantly who is behind this is...
You can't have five fingers in the Living Scripture just randomly.. Living scripture is colossal and when one contemplates it, one can't go away from the Divine.. All ethics are inbuilt.. If you don't like pain in your body, then you can't give pain to others.. That's living scripture..
But, I read the Quran and even translates these days cus, I am absolutely convinced that this revelation is from the one who created the Living scripture in perfect design as it stands..

Do you have to SUBSCRIBE to a RELIGION to be a spiritual person? What is the Religion of the Divine figured out for human beings and Djinn beings? Is there any? If so, what is it? What is the religion of Adam, Nova, Abrahim, Mosa, Eisa, and Mohmed? Or, for that matter, what is the religion of every eon of Djinn beings?

Is the Language barrierless, Living Scripture, i.e. The Nature enough for a person to spiritually connect to his Creator? If not, is it the Quran that is the only scripture that can connect people to their Lord? Are we warned through the Quran, while most of the Quran verses are distorted either in their Arabic meaning of them or by respective translations? If the message is not broadcast compendiously, could it be called we are warned?

I know this forum is a kind of dead rubber as of now, but if people still take this as a point of debate, let's debate or even have a deep conversation on it.. You never know how it goes until where the rubber meets the road.

Let's see how it goes, and I will have my skin in the game cus I don't belong to any religion and I never subscribe to any of the religions that exist...

Is everyone compelled to read the revelations of the Divine (for instance, Al Quran) or can they still find a way out ultimately with the aegis of the Divine? Are laypersons to depend on those who teach them the Quran, as they are not capable enough to grasp the meaning of Al Quran on their own? Or such laymen can always bank on the 'living scripture' that is bereft of languages..

Are revelations mandatory for every era and its people's guidance? Even if a revelation were sent in this era, would that work out in this cutting-edge era? What else, even a new messenger, would do rather than spread the message that could possibly be identical to the Quran and previous scriptures? Would that be a plausible modality for people to buy?

Or is the modern era doomed simply cus the Divine kept the earth for its longest stint without messengers/prophets? Why does the ancient message matter for us, while our own messengers/prophets don't matter in our lives? How are we different from yesteryear in experiencing it in a different realm?

Hi Everyone...
Allow me to continue this topic.. I am in chapter 7 and I found the truth in that chapter that you may never have found.. You can debate, if you wish..

7:54 Indeed, your Lord is the Divine—the One who created the heavens and the earth through a state of imputation of episodes, subsequently He stabilized upon the framework. He engulfs the night, as the day prosecuting its uninterruptedness, yet the sun, and the moon, and the constellations are insulated by its fixities. Unquestionably, for Him, the proportion and the dictation. Steadied is the Divine, Lord of the identities.

There is NO 6 days of creations, there is no 2 days of creation or 4 days.. All mistranslated depending on some other people's understanding of previous revelations.. Just cus they got the cream and the essence of the words wrongly, Quran translators also depended on Bible translations, same as Crucifixion while there is NO Crucifixion ever mentioned in Quran..

Divine never would ask 'Do you disbelieve in the Divine who created the Heavens and the Earth in SIX DAYS'.. That's bizzare.. what is the point asking 'DISBELIEVE' and mention the number of DAYs.. SItta is taken as 6 since it is the easiest root meaning.. nope.. The Divine did not create in 6 days.. The root for SITTA here in the above verse is IMPUTE.. And AYYAM is Episodes not related to DAYS.. How many exact days it takes is not what the Divine mentions here.. 'the One who created the heavens and the earth through a state of imputation of episodes' ... This phrase has a deep meaning.. What difference it makes if the verse states 6 days or 60 days..

Hi brother..
Yeah, I can take in your situation. It is not you alone in this pit but almost all save very few people.. The conundrum is not in the Quran and it is not ambiguous, but what came to us with an interpretation is ambiguous, and i am solving these ambiguities for my clear guidance and it doesn't mean the one who read my translations will simply grasp it.. Implausible as it sounds.. Keep researching, if the Divine caused, He may let you know the truth .. Every ambivalence matters can be solved if one relies solely on the Divine, leaving all preconceived indoctrination..
Have a good day, thank you for your conversation..