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Salaams
I will stick to hajj/pilgrimage as supposedly being to Mecca, but that the hadith additions are false until "everyone" can prove 100% that its different. Only problem is we cant make hajj there because its run by non Quran Only people and they dont accept Us as being Muslims and there is pagan practices being performed during the hajj there,so it would have to be purged from all its heathenism before we could make pilgrimage.

At one time I was thinking it was to baca valley in Israel, but that was just a small valley that people traveled through to get to Mt.Zion aka the Temple Mount and not a pilgrimage site itself.

Then I was thinking it was some where in the desert of Paran, as this is mentioned in Genesis 20 21God was with the boy(Ishmael) as he grew up. He lived in the desert and learned to shoot with a bow. 21 While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got him a wife from Egypt.

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May Allah forgive me for my wrongs and lead us all to Guidance and Understanding, inshaAllah.

no to forget that pigs may eat their own excrement, practice cannibalism, eat trash.... What would be a contaminated animal!

Exactly, and their intestines have pores/tiny holes and what they eat seeps into the meat.

nurmuhammed, like youssef said, the arabic means pig/swine. alkhinzeeri used in 53 simply means the flesh of swine or pig flesh.

As for why, because Allah said so and he knows best.

It has also been proven medically that pig meat causes many health problems. Did you know that Pigs can harbor a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract.

It tends to have more fat than beef or chicken, making it higher in calories. This can cause high blood pressure, high cholesterol, cancer, sodium retention and heart problems, not to mention weight gain and obesity.

Peace be with you as well...
The Arabic word for "forced" is actually more pin pointed.
The word is "Edtar", and it would mean "Has to/Need to" (i.e has to out of necessity)
In 53 it gives the example of being on what i would think would be, a "starving situation", where you have a need to.

Peace yousef, Thanks for help. That was very helpful.

Peace JKRethland.

I agree with your three meanings. However I would like to add this question

What if someone invited you to dinner and cooked something forbidden, would you eat with them?

Peace.

Salaam good logic,

I would kindly tell them when I got invited, if they didnt know I could not eat certain things. I did this before and it worked out okay. Its our responsibility to let others know out of respect for them that we dont eat certain things this way there is no misunderstanding when we arrive there to eat. Also if they know you well enough they will respect your beliefs, if they dont then you dont need to go to have dinner with them. If they say well we will be having some things you dont eat but we will also be having things you can eat, then you just eat what is allowed.

Welcome to the site.

Seen with the naked eye, the full moon has a duration of three days, with a visibility of at least 98,5 percent. Probably also near your place at the evening of 2th July the moon can be witnessed as full - with the naked eye. So you could fast the 3th,4th and 5th of July.
The -scientific full moon- lasts only a few minutes - but with the naked eye it can be witnessed three days, the difference between 98.5 and 99.9 is hardly noticeable. Actually the real scientific full moon would be a lunar eclipse - so this means that the moon is never exactly seen as full.
The 6th of July according to the tables, the moon will be shrunk to about 95 percent visibility and is not full anymore.

Salaam,
Truthseeker

Disclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.

After lookin at this link http//www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/moon-phases/ I see what your talking about, tonight it will be 98 % tomorrow 100% and Wednesday it will be 98%.

So the fast shouldnt actually start on the actual full moon but what it appears to be.

Salaam JKRethland

According to the Bible Moses, Elijah and Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights, these where special people with special assignments.
Nowhere these ways of fasting are prescribed in the Bible for the ordinary believers.

The Jewish people have only an obligatory fast of 24 hours - yaum kipoor-, Christians actually have no obligatory fast prescribed in the Bible.

2278 ... It is He Who has elected you to carry the message and has placed no hardship in religion, the Creed of your father Abraham ...

Seen with the naked eye, the full moon has a duration of three days, with a visibility of at least 98,5 percent.
So one can witness the full moon this year (here in Western-Europe) at the evening of 2th of July, then the night of the fast begins (2187) to prepare for the fast, the actual fasting can be then at 3th,4th and 5th of July.

If you would fast the 6th of July - then the moon is not full anymore when seen with the naked eye - it has about only 95 percent visibility, then you would go across the time-frame as given in verse 2185 - to fast the duration of the -scorching full moon- itself, not any moment longer.

Salaam,
Truthseeker

Disclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.

The Full moon here in Central time zone USA is on July 3rd at 015154 pm , which means the actual siting want be till Tuesday evening/night(night of destiny/power?), making Wednesday the 4th the first daylight period to fast. Three day periods here would be 4th,5th,& 6th.The moon want be full here on the 2nd, just the nights of 3rd,4th,& 5th. And cant fast the 3rd as the fullmoon isnt until almost 2 pm in the afternoon.

Salam, Peace,

any quranic support for the "I still see it being a whole month+10 days and I believe Isa and Musa fasted 40 days,"?

thanks

Peace,

7142 is where I was getting the "whole month+10 days" for Musa. Yeah I see its not exactly referring to ramadan. I may have to adjust my view or at least not use this surah in reference to ramadan. But there is 29/30 days between one full moon and another. Hmmm 3 days or 29? May Allah rightly guide us.

As for Isa , it mentions he fasted 40 days in the Gospels. I mentioned it as an example. Just like some use the OT to show that David prayed 3 times a day, Evening, and morning, and at noon Psalm 5517-18.

My personal opinion is ramadan should be according to when summer is where one lives because the restricted months for hunting should be in late summer/early autumn where one lives according to my understanding. May Allah correct me if I am wrong.

Salaams!

Salaams truthseeker, and thanks for the info. Three days sounds better to me, but, I still see it being a whole month+10 days and I believe Isa and Musa fasted 40 days, but inshaAllah, if I am wrong may Allah guide me to the right decision.

The Full moon is on July 3 at 025154 pm Eastern Time(USA), which means the actual siting want be till Tuesday evening/night(night of destiny/power?), making Wednesday the 4th the first daylight period. Three day periods would be 4th,5th,& 6th going by that.
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July & August are the hottest months where I live. sun

Assalamu alaikum to all and thanks for the welcomes. group
Thanks youssef for the links, I will check them out inshaAllah.

good logic, good logic bravo

Thanks loveislam yay

Way to confusing...Ill stick to Ramadan beginning on the fullmoon after summer solstice(July 3rd,2012) and fasting 30 days since from one fullmoon to the next is roughly 30 days. and The night of destiny ("laylat al-qadr&quot,in the night of the full-moon of scorching heat which would be the 1st day/night of ramadan.
Some will argue that 2185 "let him abstain it" means the first day of the fullmoon,some will say its the whole 10 day period, and some will say the whole period of 30 days. This is my way of keeping it until I learn Ancient Arabic so I can read it myself, or until Allah shows me different. Peace.

Asalamu alaikum Everyone!

"He has only made unlawful for you that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated with to other than Allah. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then there is no sin upon him. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (2173)

I would like to know everyone's opinion on what is the meaning of "Forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression?"

Does it mean, if some one forces you to eat something forbidden?

Does it mean, if we are starving and the only food around is forbidden and we eat it, then we are not guilty of sin?

Does it mean if we happen to eat something forbidden unknowingly?

All of the above?

I am thinking All of the above, but I may be wrong. Look forward to reading your replies, inshaAllah.

Sorry if this has already been answered, I did a search but didnt see this exact topic.

Peace everyone, Im Keith, I came to the site a couple years ago but thought I would visit again. God willing I will learn more this round.