I am thankful to both of u,Huruf and Ibrahim,for the clarfication,matter is resolved to a greater extent,but yet not fully,mayAllah increase both of u in knowledge,thanks again.

My dear Huruf,and My dear Mehdi Ibrahim, I appreciate your style and knowledge.To me,Aya says,---(only God knows) but u say people having solid knowledge may also know,this I am talking about only--Mutashabihaat---and not ---Muhakamaat---so please again help me and clarify,thanks.I have, many moons back, seen a book in Urdu showing a list of Muhakamat and Mutashabhaat--!!? Have u too seen such a book? ad is this bok available on line?As u explained, many others laso ave explained,but no one gives just a few ayats ,which are Muh. and Muta.please give me just few say 4 or 5 Nos. of ayat from both catagories ,this willhelp many others who still do not know how to sort out ayats from both catagories,I take u well entrenched who has dug deep into this aya,

Man of faith,wise-one,burnt out
U said the words " Ye Allah"are not in quran,because every thing about Allah is plural ,not singular ,"Ye" refers to some thing plural not just one body,is my this catch correct,,>> or not..? just help me, I see almost in every Mosque Ye Allah written in very big letters ,thanks elektro

Dear All,
If u talk to any aged traditional Quranic scholar ,he will say very firmly,that most of the quran was downloaded on Mohammad during the last six months of his life.Ayat regarding "interest" or in arabic called Riba were also just before His death,

On the other hand there are also reports that Quran was editted in the early days of islam.

The first quran written under instructions from Khalifa Abu Bakar, was later given to one of Mohammad's wives,Khalifa Marwan told her to give the quran to Him,She refused,being Prophet;s wife Marwan kept cool,and appointed some soldiers that after Her death Quran should be brought to His Capital city,soldiers did so,when Marwan got the quran he burnt it,to justify the changes made in quran,there was no other quran to tally or compare the new version with old anly first version of quran.there are some some ayats of quran that prove editting,for example,the famous Ayat that said,"Mohammad was not father of any men of you" Now read this ayat 2 or three times,you will realize that this ayat was inserted in quran after the death of Mohammad,further the Arabic word "kana" means "was" for proof see use of this word kana about Prophet Ibrahim, Ibrahim was already dead when quran landed, so quran uses word kana as Ibrahim was,but the close minded translators are still translating kana as "is" but quran proves its meaning are "was".I will feel happy if any one needs a further clarification,thank all.

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Dear Mquran,
Wise one / Burnout, Salam, You said ,Al-Araboo does not mean arabs..! well if so than post from dictionaries the meaning of Al-Araboo.
Well, again if it means,as u said, people living near city of Madina who were not believers,well then u must quote the period of revelations of these two Ayats,why are u sparing people of Macca..?? Moreover there is no disgrace in word Al-Araboo being wicked and dishonest ,because they were indeed so before islam,.What about people living near cities of Madina and Macca who were jews,christians and Sabaeen etc,.as mentioned in quran,were they AlAraboo or just Arabs..?? please I hope that this post does not irk u,angers u ,as being a senion mewmber on this forum,do not get irritated ,just let me know the name of dictionary where u saw people near City of Madina and u disregarded all the dictionaries of the world,Peace,thanks,also I beg ur pardon for sticky keyboard for spelling mistakes,sorry.

Dear Mr. HP_TECH,Peace,

In reply to a member on this forum,(let me cal him "A&quot
you said ,"read the
book first for his guidance, and then give your opinion"
OK,are you suggesting that "A" has never read the book?Please do reply so that small fries like me may understand you and islam.
Next you wrote that read the Book for guidance,well why you needed to say so,every body is doing it so,but there is a point of insult to fellow "A" that he has not read the book hence has no guidance from Allah.Well if you are correct then I am sure ,that you have read the Book and have received the guidance from Allah..!! Well if so,would you please like to share with us that how or what guidance you received,or who guided you,did u receive some information in dream,or heard a voice out of no where,or did u received a piece of paperwith some guidance written on it,or u just got inspired by Allah..???
you said about "A" that perhaps he not reading the book..!! well but how do you determine this??how do you dteremine that which member is guided or not.?
you said "A" should not give his opinion if he has not read the book and received guidance , well if so dont u know that many members of this forum are not muslims,even if muslims ,hve not read the book fully,even if read the book have not understood it fully ,like u have, and might not have received guidance ,like u have,.U have made a fun of "A" (I am trying to hide his name from being dishonored /ashamed)

Dear All, Peace,
If u read old Egyptian history,pictorial sigh language
and figures engraved in hard rock,which nature cannot rub-off or make them vanish.writing and making pictures on stone is very very old,older than old Egypt,Islam came to this world much later,now my question to Alah is,why did you not engraved the quran on stone..??? This forum is full of debate as to which was the oldest quran,were there markings or dots? Arabic grammer ws yet not developed,so why did Allah not enraved whole of quran with its meanings on stones or on a mountain..??? My take is that God wanted every one of us to draw his own picture of a religion which he thinks is the best,this will give him an OK from God,but should not try to impose it on others,imposing will weaken you ,take away your energies and knowledge,this is why there are hardly a few people who have energy and knowledge,they force nothing on u ,but you are inspired by u ,this is the right way but very few adopt it,I need ur help and suggestions ,thanks for reading this. rotfl welcome

My Dear bkanwar2,noshirk,and man-of-faith,I like all three of you,I am ur fan and try to learn from ur posts in this forum.below is copy paste from bkanwar2.

The word used in pre-Islamic times was "illah" not "Allah". There is a difference of just only one consonant in writing between these two words in English. However, please pay attention to analysis, there are 3 extra consonants in Allah in Arabic spellings.

It was "illah" that means crescent moon god, serpent etc. Which is now represented by crescents on all Muslim Mosque. So yes Muslims are still worshiping same pre-Islamic god.

I value ur opinions and findings,but would also like you to share it to me.Well it was Illah and not Allah,I don't reject this,but would like from you to post a picture from older writtings or from some stone or tomb stone or just any thing else where I ca n see the word Illah as used before islam.or quote from wikipe- or encyclo-britinican,or quran orother down loaded book from sky.
I would also like to draw the attention of Mr. noshirk and Mr. man-of -faith too.I would appreciate to have their views a well ,which will help and guide me.
and mr bkanwar2 alsolet me know when was the word,"Mohammad" appeared as prophet of islam,as I know from Islamic awareness it appeared much later after the Death of Mohammad,what's ur take..?? thank you all the three.

Myu Dear bkanwar2,noshirk and man of faith,
Most people on thisa forum dont like to talk anything about history,but read the quran , it is more than 70% history, Allah says go around the earth,see the remains of old people,learn lessons,etc.

Allah says in quran,at more than about 5 or 6 places,that people around Mohammad knew the word Allah,see sura 29, ayat No.63 ( they will reply "Allah",also see sura 13 ayt No.16 and there are more verses in quran which prove that word, "Allah" was know to people before quran or Mahammad.
wikipedia also says a lot about first appearance of word Allah,red this,
Pre-Islamic Christians, Jews and the monotheistic Arabs called Hanifs used the name Allah and the terms 'Bismillah', 'in the name of Allah' to refer to their supreme deity in Arabic stone inscriptions centuries before Islam.

Some archaeological excavation quests have led to the discovery of ancient pre-Islamic inscriptions and tombs made by Arabic-speaking Christians in the ruins of a church at Umm el-Jimal in Northern Jordan, which contained references to Allah as the proper name of God, and some of the graves contained names such as "Abd Allah" which means "the servant/slave of Allah".

The name Allah can be found countless times in the reports and the lists of names of Christian martyrs in South Arabia, as reported by antique Syriac documents of the names of those martyrs from the era of the Himyarite and Aksumite kingdoms.

In pre-Islamic Gospels, the name used for God was "Allah", as evidenced by some discovered Arabic versions of the New Testament written by Arab Christians during the pre-Islamic era in Northern and Southern Arabia.

Also see Quran sura 29 ayat No.61 "they said Allah
If you don't mind,let me give you a logic, suppose A say 2+2 are 5, but B says no no 2+2 are 4, well in such condition,B who says 4 should not give any proof about 4, but instead ask A to prove that how is that 2+2 are 5,now when A gives a proof B should counter it, and not just keep saying that 2+2 are 4 ,
All three of you command respect,so try considering above logic,other wise there is no way you can change people as what and how they think,regrds,thanks

My dear bkanwar2,thanks for your reply to my post about the word Allah,I hope noshirk and man of faith will soon let me know their views to my post.
for bkanwar2,please open google,write ,"Allah,the God of moon" and you will see pictures of old objects still preserved.This is a strong hint why cresent moon a appears at Macca and Madina and many more mosques around the world.if you come across any puzzle pl do let me know,thanks

My dear bkanwar2, noshirk and man of faith ,

can you stop people the way they think..??never,in my opinion ,to understand the word, "allah" we have to go back when there was no Mohammad,no quran,but the word "allah" was there,etymology for this word cannot be done now, using quran or grammar .
Mohammad's father's name was Abdallah,Allah was the name of God of moon,now if you want to know more about Allah,read islamic history wriiten by Turk scholars,because they were to order putting a cresent on each of the towers (minars) at kaba in Macca,you still see them, and you also see them at minarets at tomb of Mohammad in the city of Madina in Saudi Arabia.
Turk were first to put cresent on islamic flags,tombs,domes minarets.only they can tell u the correct answer to this mystery,and they can also answer,why Allah chose to name himself as Allah, when He knew that this word is already in use for moon God as his partner..??this is a big question?only Turk scholars have the answer,read their history books,history of islam booksor talk to one of them via email,they were first to introduce domes,minarets cresent etc.I know some of the answer,but I am just a no body so who will listen to me.go search via google.thanks

Hi there,
to Freedomstands,
Here I am again,many islamic scholars have differed here ,as to what is "Al Riba"this is a quranic word,hundreds of books have been written on this word,but sorry to see that people still have different opinions about this word.
Ask Google,it will tellyou what usury is,it is not interest,it is excessive undue charge on money given as loan,1450 years back interest or banks were not there,and some money lenders used to charge very very heavy amounts on the money they lend ,as quran says,doubleor four times or even more.Nowif you go to bank, ask for 500 dollars, bank will give you on the condition that you have to pay 15% interest permonth,now after one month you will have to give back 500+15% ,this becomes 575,but in early islamic era it will become 1000 to 4000 depending upon the deal you make.,interest was not there in those days,usury is also prohibited for jews and christians as well,like in islam.,interest started onlyabout 250 years back.I still need your guidance,please help!!thanks for reading all this.

my dear Hawk99,
thanks for your reply, and meanings of word "farada",well would you tell me if this word is used for salat any where in quran,like some would say,salat is fatd on you so you must do it under any condition.
please also tell me ,quran says salat is "kataba"on you or for you,now what is the meaning of "kataba" literaly it mean "written"
or "is written for you" but what is meat by Allah when he says that so and so is "wriiten on you or for you".would you please,if dont mind clarify it again for me,thanks.

to,
my dear freedomstands,
do you get some instructions or varifications from Allah,if you do let us know how do you get help from Allah.Or do you think that Allah has chosen you to guide others???Do you receive information from Allah in dreams???or not in draems?? or late in night?? or via some sort of sounds or speech??? or you see something in writing??..........My dear friend,do not try to justify your thinking or writings or speeches by forcing it on us,we all will follow you only if you let us know the right version of what we need to knoow like about what and how is salat,fasting,hajj etc.Dont mind it sir,you are a great person and not an ordinary one like me!!you are full of knowledge and information and ignorant like we all others! you are guided one but alas we are not.Does this helps you lower you depression?,well of cource if you have some??We dont know you well,please introduce yourself to us?thanks for reading all this.

my dear hawk99 and others,
we all are searching for salat,even with the help of minor clues . a very common word is used for salat is an arabic word, is also quranic word,"FARD" which in english may translate as compulsory or necessory or must do or obligatory etc.
people will often say that islam wants us to do five time daily prayers which is "fard" on us,and then while praying ,salat has units called rakats,here too we have 2 or 3 or 4 units that we have to do as "fard"this word fard is used 4 times in quran ,according to my old quran browser which may or may not be correct,I dont have a new one.Now status of salat we all know is always said by using the word "fard".In a recent post by one of the members here on this forum says,that quran uses the word"fard" formany good deeds but never uses the word "fard" for salat, quran uses another word about status of salat,which is "kataba"which means "is written" or is in writing for you,this word "kataba" again does not mean obligatory or must do,so what ever the salat is ,its status is choice not must do,you may salat or not,it is never fard on you.will some one who knows arabic clarify the meanings of these two quranic words,that is --fard and kataba,thanks for your reading.

dear all,
bowing to a tree,will never ever cancel his good deeds,one good deed will nullify his bowings,quran too says that good deeds nullify bad deeds.

I would still like to hear from you,if you have a better suggestion?thanks

My dear mmkhan,
History is narration or in writing of events that happened in past,may be near past,may be still nearer ,just a year or month or week back,if so,then quran is indeed a book of history itself,because it is full of past information.History may be write or wrong but it can easily be checked by Proofs old pictures,models,writings,and hoy books like quran,bible etc.Please let me have your comments that may guide me and others.What is the proof that quran is from Allah?? I mean,just go back in history told tous by holy books,that prophet Moses received some tablets unlike verbal quran,tablets are much better idea for those who say where is the proof,so did not Allah gave us quran written and engraved in hard black stone that could last thousand of years??

My dear Mazhar and Wakkas,

The word Riba is of hebrew origin,and means ,too much or excessive ,quran confirms this meaning by saying,do not take double or 3 or 4times,or even more.In English riba is called usury,there is no word in hebrew or Arabic for interest,because the present day interest was not there when quran landed,interest is a 16th century invention.Do you want me to further eleborate riba?I cando so.thanks for reading this.

Dear all,peace

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