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  • Is Allah (swt) time?
    M Maseehullaah

    There is no such independent phenomena as "time"

    "Time is a part of the measuring system used to sequence events, to compare the durations of events and the intervals between them, and to quantify rates of change such as the motions of objects"

    So when Allaah said that "I am Time", He explained in the exact same Hadeeth Qudsee as to what that means. It means that He is the One who causes the alternation of day and night, He is the one that sets things into motion. Time is not an independent force that acts independently. In reality, time is simply our perception of something that is in reality in the Hands of Allaah.

    What is the nature of God?

  • Certain Doubts in the Qu'ran
    M Maseehullaah

    Doubt is something that invalidates one's Faith. You cannot be a believer and at the same time have even a shred of doubt about the truth of Allaah's Revelation. How many times Allaah in the Quraan condemns doubt?

    The truth is from your Lord, so be not at all in doubt

    So I urge you that if you consider yourself a Muslim, then Islaam means to submit and to accept without any resistance in one's soul to what Allaah has revealed. That is the sign of the true Believer. If you cannot understand the wisdom behind some of the things Allaah has revealed, then pray that Allaah makes the matter clear to you. But do not listen to the whisperings of the Devil that wants you to doubt, because that doubt will definitely become the gateway to the nullification of your Faith.

    General Issues / Questions

  • What does the Alif Laam Meem in Quran for?
    M Maseehullaah

    Allaah says in the Quraan

    It is He Who has sent down to you (O Prophet &#1605 the Book. In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking tribulation, and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allaah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole of it is from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding.

    So with regard to the letters that appear at the beginning of several Surahs, they are from the Mutashaabihaat (the ambiguous or unclear verses). No one knows their meaning except Allaah. We believe in them and believe it is from our Lord. However, those people who have a disease in their heart will try to explain the meaning of these letters or try to interpret them. Allaah warns against such a thing, because only Allaah knows what they mean.

    A certain astray sect from the 72 misguided sect, known as the Asharis, claim that although the Quraan is the Speech of Allaah, Allaah does not speak with letters or sound. They claim that Allaah's speech is Nafsani (internal), and it is not a speech which can be heard, or which consists of letters.

    This deviant and severely misguided belief is refuted by the fact that the letters "Alif Laam Meem", "Qaaf", "Saad", "Ta-Ha", "ya Seen", etc., are part of the Quraan, and therefore part of Allaah's Speech, which clearly prove that Allaah's speech does indeed consist of letters.

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    Besides Qur'an then simply post one authentic hadeeth which is proven and swear by God upon your soul it is true -- no doubt in it.

    The Prophet said

    "Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his seat in the fire"

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    All I can say to loxbox13 is, May Allaah guide you (ameen)

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    How many Hafiz are there now? How many were there then? The Quran is the words of Allah Almighty, it was emblazed in the brian and remembered and recited. Muhammed never forgot a word and neither did those that did study it and learn it. There is no one now or then that has memorized the entire Bukhari, why? the wording used is a clue.

    So you are saying that the Quraan is true, because, although it was written down many years after the Prophet died, compiled many decades later, and the earliest manuscripts we have today are dated not earlier than a 100 years after his death...you say we can trust the Quraan because it was memorized and transmitted orally from person to person.

    Now if only you study how Hadeeth were transmitted, you will see it was the exact same way as Quraan! Every authentic hadeeth was orally transmitted by one companion, who himself heard the Prophet saying the words, and it was passed down orally, just like Quraan. The Hadeeths were memorized by the Companions, they not only taught people the Quraan orally, but they also taught people the Hadeeth orally.

    At that time there were many Muhaditheen who memorized literally hundreds of thousands of Ahadeeth, in fact, they used to teach Hadeeth without reading from a book or manuscript, but all from their memory, passing it down orally, just like the Quraan was passed down!

    Wrong, they were one of the first sects to want to kill anyone going against the sunnah.

    The Khawaarij rejected the Sunnah and Hadeeth, that's a historical fact. They killed other Muslims because they felt that other Muslims were not following the verse of the Quraan

    Verily, there is no command except by Allaah

    In fact, this particular verse of the Quraan was their main slogan.

    They were the spiritual progeny of Dhul Khuwaisirah, a hypocrite who accused the Prophet of being unjust and not fearful of Allaah.

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    You keep making this argument, and I keep thinking it's wrong for a couple of reasons that I shall attempt to articulate, God willing
    1 God promises to protect the Qur'an. No such promise is made regarding hadith compilations.

    There is no such promise in the Quraan to protect the Quraan.

    Rather Allaah says

    Verily, We have sent down the Reminder, and verily, We shall guard it.

    Adh-Dhikr (the Reminder) is both the Quraan and the Sunnah, whatever Allaah has sent down to the Messenger , and Allaah has promised to protect and guard it.

    Now question is, if Allaah will only protect the Quraan from corruption, why He didn't mention QURAAN, instead He mentioned the DHIKR?

    2 There's a definite difference in quality. The Quranic language is oratory perfection, which hadith clearly lacks - there's simply no comparing the two. The Quran is clearly easy to memorize, as evidenced by the thousands upon thousands of people who knows the entire text by heart right now. Interestingly enough, the Quran makes both these claims about itself - that it's superior to any other text, and that it is easy to remember.

    Is that a proof that only the Quraan is Allaah's Revelation? What about the Torah, the the Psalms of David, the Gospel or other scriptures? The Quraan is obviously the best of revelation, but that does not mean it is the only revelation.

    I challenge you to find more than a handful of people who can recite hundreds of pages of hadith, perfect and error free to the letter. Contrast this to the Quran, which is memorized so well by so many that it's impossible to get even a syllable wrong in its recital without several brothers and sisters noticing it and correcting it, provided you have good-sized congregation.

    I challenge you to find even one "Quraan-only" follower who has memorized the entire Quraan.

    You claim to love and follow the Quraan, but none of your people have even memorized it from beginning to end! The only people who have memorized the Quraan are the People who believe in the Sunnah and Hadeeth.

    Many scholars have memorized the Ahadeeth, in fact, there were scholars of Hadeeth who memorized hundreds of thousands of narrations including the chain of narrators!

    General Issues / Questions

  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    it is late here but your dates seem a little confused. Uthman died around 23 years after the prophet so where does 100 years come into it?

    Pay close attention to my post, I said that the earliest complete Quraanic manuscript we have is not dated anytime before 100 years after the death of the Prophet . John Gilcrist, a scholar in this field has mentioned this fact.

    True the Quraan was compiled by Uthmaan, but there are not surviving manuscripts from his time available to us.

    There may have been hadith 138 narrations within the first 100 years of the prophets death but only 98 used by Bukhari, who was born 200 years after the prophets death, but then where did he find the other 599862 that he aparently sifted through to come up with less than 1% considered 'sound'?

    you obviously under the false impression that Imam Bukhari picked and choose which hadeeth to compile. That is due to your ignorance. Every hadeeth is examined based on its SANAD (chain of narrators), and what the scholars of "Ilm-ul-Rijaal" have said about each and every single narrator, including biographical information, as well as testimony regarding the character, beliefs, and other information about each and every single narrator. There are literally volumes and volumes of books on "Ilm-ul-Rijaal" written by the experts of Hadeeth where you can access this rich amount of knowledge and history.

    As I have proven, it has nothing to do with picking or choosing, but rather, it is based on examining the chain of narrators.

    It is also interesting to note that many of the narrations in Bukhari and Muslim are "MUTAWAATIR", meaning, mass-narrated by so many narrators that it is impossible that they have been fabricated. No modern court of law would ever reject witness testimony that is mass-narrated by so many different witnesses, especially if they do not know eachother! Which is often the case in the hadeeth sciences.

    So there are literally volumes of hadith books each corroborating narrations compiled by different Muhaditheen. Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud as-Sijistani, Ibn Majah, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, the Muwatta of Malik, Sahifah of Ibn Abi Shaybah, Daraqutuni, Ibn Hibbaan, Ibn Khuzaiymah, Darami, and so many others.

    supposed 'evidence' from western historians and scholars means zilch here buddy. The prophet recited a profound message for those of understanding, immediately after the prophet died there were at least 12 sects all with new ideas, they obviously actually had very little understanding of the whole thing. Inventions of 'Muhammed said, Muhammed did' started immediately after his death, and very few of them were fact.

    One of those sects was the "Khawaarij" who rejected the Hadeeth and proclaimed to follow Quraan only. They were soundly defeated in the Battle of Nahrawan by the fourth khalifah of Islaam, the son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet, Ali ibn Abi Talib .

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    i think ur thinking epitomises the idea that these "scholars" had make ppl believe WE are the ones who preserved the quran and safeguarded it so that no one can raise a finger at the book of sayings weve introduced. associate our work to the Book that muslims revere as Gods work and then our words would have everlasting effects.
    well done, uv fallen in their trap.

    Why don't you try to refute the undisputed evidence, instead of making more emotional arguments which simply unveil total ignorance, wishful thinking, and utter falsehood?

    Even western historians have admitted this fact that Quraan was compiled during the caliphate of Uthmaan

    The earliest complete Quraan manuscripts are dated to not earlier than 100 years after the death of the Prophet

    You have no choice but to accept this fact. I gave the evidence and quoted even the Western historians and scholars. My challenge to you is simple, show me a single manuscript of the Quraan (does not even have to be a complete manuscript, it can even be a fragment or portion of the text) which can be dated to the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad

    If you cannot bring even a shred of evidence, then I suggest you stop repeating the same lie over and over again that the first hadith compilations were written "200 years after the Prophet's death" by Bukhari and Muslim.

    I already proved this fact also that the earliest hadith compilation was written in the mid first century of the Islamic calendar, referring to the compilation of Hammaam ibn Munabbih, containing 138 narrations total, 98 of which are testified to in Bukhari and Muslim's compilations.

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    In a prophecy to the Virgin Mary before the birth of Jesus the Messiah (peace be upon him), Allaah announces

    And He (Allaah) will teach him (Jesus) the Book, and the Wisdom, and the Torah, and the Gospel

    If, as the "Quraan-only" group claims, that Al-Hikmah (the Wisdom) is the same thing as the Quraan, why has Allaah enumerated four different things which He will give knowledge of to Jesus?

    It is obvious that the Torah and the Gospel are not the same, they are two different revelations that Allaah gave knowledge of to Jesus.

    In addition, Allaah says He will also give knowledge of the Book, meaning the Quraan, and the Wisdom, meaning the Sunnah, to Jesus.

    Since Torah and Gospel are different things, therefore it is proven that all these four things which Allaah has mentioned (Al-Kitaab, Al-Hikmah, At-Tawrah, and Al-Injeel) are separate and distinct revelations. They are not the same thing or four different titles of the same book!

    The Gospel and the Torah are different revelations, therefore, the Kitaab and the Hikmah are also different revelations.

    Coincidentally, this verse is also a proof that Jesus is still alive and will descend at his second coming, with correct knowledge of the Kitaab (Quraan), and the Hikmah (Sunnah).

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    ah , so u believe that usman took care of the preservation of the Word of God and not God himself? interesting. now i see why u think the way u do.
    btw, i see that u think there are a couple of hadith that u dont believe..thts intersting...though why would u advocate a book that even u dont believe in entirely, and consider to possibly be erroneous in some areas?

    What I'm saying is that Allaah preserved His Word through the effort of men. Did Allaah drop the Quraan with all its Surahs and Ayats arranged in the right order? did it come down from the clouds as a book between two covers?

    Or was it revealed upon the tongue of the Messenger ? Was it not compiled during the caliphate of 'Uthmaan , some two or three decades after the passing away of the Prophet?

    So the exact same objection you raise against the Hadeeth can also be made about the Quraan. There is a saying, "Don't throw stones at someone's house if your own house is made of glass"

    The earliest complete manuscripts we have of the Quraan are in fact found to be compiled at least a century after the Prophet passed away

    John Gilchrist states "The oldest manuscripts of the Quran still in existence date from not earlier than about one hundred years after Muhammad's death."

    Even the first hadith compilation we have, the Saheefah of Hammaam ibn Munnabih is dated to earlier than that, the mid-first century of the Islaamic calendar. It contains 138 narrations or Hadiths, 98 of which can be found in Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim!

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    Thus you advocate;
    a goat responsible for eating a missing surah,
    the killing of puppies especially black ones,
    the marrying 9 year olds and cutting her hand for stealing an egg,
    attribute bizarre vile grotesque behavior and want people to follow.

    Sure it does, you cannot comprehend a simple sentence and lack basic logic; here lets simplify it...

    22 this the book no doubt in it (i.e. this book, not other books), a guidance (hello!) for those mindful of God.

    Now your turn; why keep running away skip answering; afraid it will be a witness against you?

    Post one hadith "no doubt in it" swear by God stake your soul you'll be cursed if it is not true?

    I believe in all authentic ahadeeth which have no doubt in it at all.

    I swear by Allaah that each and every authentic hadeeth which is proven to be the words of the Prophet is evidence, as Allaah Himself says to take witnesses as evidence.

    The authentic ahadeeth are narrated by many witnesses with unbroken chain of narrators, and fulfills the criterion of Allaah to investigate and verify any news that comes to us with witnesses

    Even if you study the history of the compilation of the Quraan, you see that it was also compiled during the caliphate of the third Khaleefah, 'Uthmaan ibn Affaan , who had each and every single verse of the Quraan testified to by witnesses.

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    I have never eaten these strange meats you mention, nor ever felt the temptation - perhaps this is simply something a God-fearing human need not be told? Or maybe God is fine with people eating eagles and snakes?

    Look how you yourself are in doubt and cannot seem to make up your mind! On one hand you are saying God-fearing humans automatically don't need to eat dog meat or snake meat or eagle meat, therefore it is not mentioned in Quraan, on other hand you are saying maybe God doesn't have a problem with eating these impure animals!

    So you are woefully contradicting yourself.

    Fact of matter is, if it is automatically part of one's conscience not to eat dog meat, so why do some many millions, maybe billions of people eat dog meat and snake meat (especially in East Asia, China, Korea, Vietnam)?

    Allaah says in the Quraan that He has only forbidden pork, blood, dead meat, and meat sacrificed in the name of other than Allaah. That means, for you "Quraan-only followers", everything else is good to eat for you, including dog and snake (how disgusting!)

    (how do you know "for a fact" that they are impure without relying on hadith?)

    In Quraan, verse , and , Allaah tells us that the duty of His Messenger is to tell us the good things we are allowed, and the impure things which are forbidden. If everything is already laid out in the Quraan, why Allaah tells us to obey the Messenger in this regard?

    Either way it's a non-issue and the Quran stays fully detailed and guidance enough for the believers.

    what kind of guidance is that which you are saying that dog meat and snake meat is good and lawful? That is not guidance, except the guidance of the Devil.

    1 sunnis place tremendous importance on the outer form of the ritual prayer (which foot gets washed first, where are hands placed when standing, number of rakas etc.)

    My friend, the Quraan itself tells us the tremendous importance of the outer form of the Salaat, including which parts of the body to wash during ablution (i.e. face, hands up to the elbow, to rub the head, and the feet up to the ankles), as well as the command to bathe the entire body for major ritual purification

    If the outer form of the prayer is not important, why the Quraan goes into so much detail about the ablution and method of purification?

    To me it seems much more likely that God places little or no importance on which foot we wash first, where we place our hands or how many times we "go through the motions".

    the Quraan says to obey the Messenger , who said "Pray the way you see me praying".

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    I hate to break this to you, but you do know he died 1378 years ago don't you?

    How can he be the judge in our disputes NOW?

    The Messenger is gone, but his Message is with us, and by his message, which is contained in the Hadeeth, we are commanded by Allaah to make him as the judge in all our disputes.

    It is interesting also to note that the Messenger of Allaah said

    Verily, I have been given the Book, and something like it. But a time will come in a man on a couch will say to you, "we have this Quraan, so whatever we find in it as permissible, so it is permissible, and whatever we find in it as forbidden, so it is forbidden..."

    Now see how true this prophecy has been fulfilled!

    now look what happens when you reject the Sunnah of the Prophet , you go astray and enter into doubt, and having doubt is a sign of faithlessness and misguidance

    Currently I am in doubt about a few vowels and words and verses in the currently existing written quraan being from the one God

    Th Truth is from your Lord, so be not at all in doubt!

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    Peace on you

    I find the posts by maseehullah amusing because he mentions logic and he mentions ignorance and then demonstrates lack of logic and ignorance not only about what the quraan says but ignorance about logical fallacies as well.

    His basic argument that he put forth in defense of his entire straw structure is based on a logical fallacy!

    Had he not been ignorant about the quraan and logical fallacies and had he not been illogical he would have seen the truth easily that his position and basic argument is completely refuted from the quraan and from logic and is untenable.

    Although your post reveals that you too are totally ignorant of the Quraan, I at least congratulate you for having the courage to engage me in a debate using actual arguments, and not like the rest of the people on this forum who didn't even try to discuss with me academically, but only using their emotions and slogans.

    I do believe that majority of the quraan is from that one God (almost 99.99% of it)
    Currently I am in doubt about a few vowels and words and verses in the quraan being from the one God (I am not talking about 9128-129)

    Then you are not a true believer, because the true believers are those who believe in the ENTIRE Quraan, they don't accept part of it and reject other part of it

    We believe in it, all of it is from our Lord

    But you fall in the category, regarding whom Allaah says

    Is it a part of the Book you believe in, and you disbelieve in a part?

    I believe in ALL signs (ayaat) of the God and that they are not limited to the quraan alone as per the quraan itself

    Indeed, and one of the Signs of Allaah is His sending of the Messenger . Because Allaah didn't just send the Quraan, He sent the Quraan AND the Messenger. You can't have one without the other.

    I do believe that there were revelations outside the quraan to Muhammad the messenger and the khaatam of the prophets, as implied in the quraan itself (2143, 2187, 3123-126, 87, 3337, 4815, 663)

    Then logically, you must accept this fact that true believers are commanded not only to follow the Quraan, but to follow ALL Revelation from Allaah to His Messenger, as Allaah says

    Those who follow the Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet whom they found written about in the Torah and the Gospel, He commands them the Good, and forbids them the evil, and allows them the Pure things, and forbids them the impure, and he releases them from their heavy burdens, and from the fetters that were upon them. So those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful.

    Secondly,
    Let's see what the god wants us to follow out of his revelations

    And follow the best of what has been sent down to you from your Lord, before the retribution comes to you suddenly when you least expect it. (3955)

    What is the best of what has been sent down from Him?

    The Best of that which Allaah has sent down to the Prophet is indeed the Holy Quraan. No doubt about it.

    Yet this same verse you quoted is another proof that that Allaah has sent down other revelation besides this Quraan, i.e. the Hadith Qudsi for example.

    The point is, Allaah has commanded us in numerous verses in the Quraan to follow everything which has been revealed to the Messenger of Allaah .

    Yes, Allaah commands us to follow the best of that which has been sent down to him by his Lord, yet He never says that you will follow that exclusively, meaning, to the exclusion to all other revelation.

    So the logical fallacy on your part is to take something which is general command and turn it into an exclusive command.

    If Allaah said to follow nothing but the Quraan, or follow nothing but the best of that which He sent down, you would be right, but when He said to follow the best of that which is sent down to the Prophet , it was not an exclusive command to follow only that.

    This sign proves that Muhammad the messenger of the god wanted us to follow only the quraan because of the wording "that I may warn you WITH IT". He doesn't say "that I may warn you with it and my hadith and sunna". So even though there had been other inspirations to him he warned the people only with the quraan so in order to follow him it is enough to follow the quraan only.

    Once again you repeat the same logical fallacy, which is turning something general into exclusive.

    Allaah also commanded the Prophet to stand in prayer during the night, except for a little . Does it mean that the Prophet didn't have to stand for prayer at other times? Obviously that's not the case, because Allaah enjoined upon the Prophet to pray at other times as well besides the night in various verses of the Quraan.

    therefore, don't take something which is general and make it exclusive, unless the verse itself is making it exclusive.

    And thus We have inspired to you an Arabic Quran, so that you may warn the capital town and all around it, and to warn about the Day of Gathering that is inevitable. A group will be in the Paradise, and a group in Hell. (427)

    Again Muhammad the messenger of the god is being asked to warn with the quraan only.

    I didn't see the word "only" in the verse you quoted.

    Thirdly,

    The logical fallacy

    Just because Muhammad the messenger of the god was inspired other than the quraan in addition to the quraan DOES NOT mean that we have to or need to follow the inspirations other than the quraan, IF the quraan is complete and fully detailed and has the details of everything relevant to our guidance.

    If the quraan is fully detailed and contains the details of everything relevant to our guidance, then following the quraan would be ENOUGH, and we don't need to follow the other inspirations outside the quraan.

    The Quraan is general and requires further explanation, that is why Allaah said that the duty of the Messenger is to explain the Reminder which is sent down

    The Quraan also commands us to take whatever the Messenger allows us, and abstain from whatever he forbids.

    In another thread I gave a perfect example of this principle and why it is necessary. In the Quraan, Allaah says He has only forbidden four things to eat 1) dead meat, 2) blood, 3) pork, 4) any meat upon which other than Allaah's Name has been pronounced Therefore, for those who follow only the Quraan as guidance, all other meat is permissible, including dog meat, cat meat, snake meat, eagle, hawk, etc.

    Yet we know for a fact that these animals and their meat is just as impure as the pig, and that is why we know from the Hadeeth that the Messenger of Allaah prohibited the eating of any animal that has fangs, and any bird that has talons.

    But you as a "Quraan-only" follower will have no problem eating the impure meat of dogs, cats, snakes, and eagles. You claim to follow the way of Abraham, but actually you are following the way of pagans, chinese, etc., who eat these impure meat. Even in the Torah, these impure meats are forbidden.

    So yes, the Quraan is indeed fully detailed...NOT because it contains all the instructions and regulations for our guidance...but because it tells us to obey the Messenger and to take whatever he allows us, and abstain from whatever he forbids us.

    The Quraan is not fully detailed in the way you think, otherwise why would Allaah not mention in the Quraan that dog meat, cat meat, snake meat, etc., is forbidden, and why in the Quraan would He tell us to take everything the Messenger allows, and abstain from everything He forbids?

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    Maseehullaah
    Your are blaspheming brother, you're juging, only allah is the juge

    Allaah says that the Prophet Muhammad is the judge of our disputes

    This is another proof that Hadeeth is a crucial element of our Religion, and if you reject the Hadeeth, you are rejecting the order of Allaah to obey the Messenger and accept him as the judge in all our disputes.

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    Abu Hurairah was a liar with a faulty memory.

    Says who?

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    Maseehullaah; please, you calling the people who loves and follow the word of allah a heretics??? , The quran , the words that there is no doubt

    Allaah Himself says that the Quraan causes those who are wrongdoers to become even more misguided in their disbelief

    Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief

    So just by accepting the Quraan doesn't mean you have true faith. True faith requires that you accept the Messenger of Allaah as the only judge between all the disputes amongst us . But since you reject the Hadeeth of the Prophet , you are no different from the deviant Khawaarij sect which also rejected the Hadeeth and followed their own desires and wrong interpretation of the Quraan.

    Allaah says that He revealed the Reminder, and the job of the Messenger is to explain it

    If you reject the words of the Messenger , how can you know what is his explanation of the Reminder?

    Therefore, you are misguided heretics, just like the Khawaarij of old, because even they believed in the Quraan and used to read it intensely. In fact, when the fourth khalifah of Islaam, Ali ibn Abi Taalib sent Ibn Abbaas to debate with the Khawaarij sect at their camp, when he approached their camp he heard a sound like buzzing, which was the Khawaarij reading the Quraan.

    But even though they believed in the Quraan (and rejected the Hadeeth), they were clearly misguided and rebellious group.

    , Mohamed's words with no doubt

    Then why do you reject the Hadeeth?

    The Quraan is not the words of Prophet Muhammad . The Quraan is the Word of God.

    Yet, Allaah says in the Quraan that the words of the Prophet are revelation, just like the Quraan is revelation

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  • Quran only mistakes
    M Maseehullaah

    Peace.

    Could you please expand on your thinking here a little? I'm curious about your reasoning.

    Do you think that a person adhering strictly to monotheism and accepts the divinity of the Qur'an while rejecting the divinity of hadith is further from the truth than a Christian who believes that Jesus constitutes part of a tri-une God, while rejecting the Qur'an, the prophecy of Mohammed AND all actions and sayings attributed to him?

    A person who rejects the Hadeeth is actually rejecting the Quraan, because Allaah says in the Quraan to obey the Messenger, and to take whatever he gives, and to forbid ourselves whatever he has forbidden for us. The Quraan also says that everything the Prophet (peace be upon him) says is a revelation from Allaah

    So by rejecting the Hadeeth, you are not only rejecting the Prophet (peace be upon him), you are also rejecting the Quraan.

    The first Hadeeth-rejectors in the history of Islaam was the Khawaarij sect. They rejected the Sunnah and the Hadeeth. Their spiritual ancestor is Dhul Khuwaisirah, one of the hypocrites, who criticized the Prophet (peace be upon him) and told him to be just and to fear Allaah. The Prophet (peace be upon him) responded that who is more just than him, and who is more fearing of Allaah than him? And then the Prophet (peace be upon him) predicted that from the loins of Dhul Khuwaisirah there would come a people who would recite the Quraan, but it would not go beyond their throats, meaning, the guidance of the Quraan would not penetrate into their hearts, despite their reading of it. These Khawaarij would be young, immature people with no knowledge, following their desires. They would reject the Hadeeth and the Sunnah, they would raise slogans of justice.

    Yet this is one of the deviant sects that the Prophet (peace be upon him) warned about, and mentioned that they are the "Dogs of the Hellfire"

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    M Maseehullaah

    OK so explain why this has anything to do with following rumors and hearsay spread 200 years after Qur'an?

    Hadith are not rumors or hearsay. They are the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him) narrated by his Companions. They were not created 200 years after the Quraan, they were compiled (as in collected and written down) much earlier than that. For example, the Muwatta of Imam Malik was compiled in the before the third century Hijri, quite early on. In fact, many ahadith were compiled even before that, within the first century of Islaam, such as the Sahifah of Hammam ibn Munnabih, a student of the companion Abu Hurairah, and the Musannaf of Abdur Razzaq as-Sanaa'i.

    So first study the history of Hadith before you make such ignorant statements.

    That's easy...

    21-2 alif-lam-meem, this (is) the book no doubt in it, a guidance for the God-conscious.

    This verse doesn't address my challenge, which is to show a single verse from the Quraan which says only the Quraan is revealed by Allaah to the Prophet (peace be upon him)

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