Abrogate - try naskh.
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Question: Order of SurahsI am reading abrograte in this Surah as meaning to annul. But what is annulled is replaced with something newer or better. The changing of the Qiblih (Point of Adoration) is one example -- and one example where the chronology of Revelation is important.
Other earlier examples are described in the Bible where this matter of abrogation may also be understood to be part of a process renewal, refinement or fulfillment of the law -- a process which defines the station and purpose of the Prophet
517 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
518 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
519 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
520 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
521 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment 522 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire....
527 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery 528 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart...
531 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement 532 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
533 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths 534 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne 535 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. (King James Bible, Matthew)
Does this make any sense?
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Question: Order of SurahsI don't quite understand your meaning of abrogation. How would you translate 2106 replacing abrograte with another word that I could understand. Abrogaation makes much more sense to me if we make a distinction between "None of Our revelations do We abrogate..." and "None of Our verses do We abrogate..." Muhammed can and does abrogate the revelation of Jesus, just as Jesus abrogated the revelation of Moses.
2106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
I realize this discussion is getting off the topic of my original question regarding the ordering of the surahs in the Quran. I am still interested in that.
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Question: Order of SurahsWhat makes this aspect of the order of revelation important to me is the matter of abrogration (2106). I'm a first time reader and my understanding may not be correct, but isn't abrogration a matter of substituting a newer (chronically latter) revealed verse for an older one?
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1st time readerI'm also a 1st time reader. I appreciate the posting of the link giving the list of order in which the surahs were revealed. Can someone direct me to an explanation as to why the Quran orders the surahs differently. How was an agreement reached regarding the present ordering? Thanks.
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Question: Order of SurahsI'm also a 1st time reader and a 1st time user of this forum. Can someone direct me to an explanation as to how it came to be that the ordering of the surahs in Quran is as it is. I see by another posting a link to a list of the order in which the surahs were revealed. How did there come to be an agreement for the ordering that we see in the Book? And what is the reason? Thanks