If someone said this to you "Please don't contact me anymore. I'm not into playing games and trying to figure out hidden meanings or agendas."... what do you do?
Say okay?
Don't reply because quran 5811?
Post a question on the forum and give it to a vote?
Post a question.. and just consider the answers?
Start hating women... again?
If a woman asks you "Please don't contact me anymore" that would mean welcome
There is another option, once our Imam masjid said prophet Yahya was "Eunuch" because according to him means Eunuch. As I do not know arabic that well that's why am asking you guys.
;D haha, well not nessesarily...Lets say you have a Black Marble in your Left Hand and a White Marble in your Righthand,...and you say Is Black your favorite Color Marble?
and I reply... NO.
That doesnt meaning My favorite one is the White One.
That is Just an Early Conclusion you have reached by Assuming thats what I am intending to choose.
When really, I am just Technically Answering your Question Truthfully by saying, "No Black is NOT my favorite marble."
Perhaps if you were to next ask me if WHITE is my favorite, I may Reaply again... "NO WHITE is NOT my favorite marble either."
Thus refusing both colors and simply not caring for your marbles! rotfl
yes, if you have only 2 kinds of marbles to choose and black is not your fav then you have no choice but to use the white one. laugh
If I say that I particularly do not like the Color Black as my Favorite Color, It doesnt Mean that White is my favorite Color.
yes, if you know only 2 colours or if we are talking about only 2 colours i.e white and black, then that would mean your fav colour is white. ;D
Ask Prof Dr Tahir who thinks that this word means Easa son of Marym as he has quoted in parenthesis like he has quoted about Yahya a.s.
laugh ok, bet do you know if that word means the one who have no interest in women?
Ayman, it is incredible that you repeat your deception and distortion even though I had exposed and refuted them in the past. Again, you highlight the part of the verse, which lists one the functions of the 19 and ignore the rest. Ironically, the part you highlight is exactly about those who do not acknowledge the number 19, those are who are ingrates (KaFeR).
The rest of the verse exposes your deception.
Peace,
Edip
It is you who do not believe in quran and keep telling people that they will repent on day of judgement for not believing in your imagination (code-19), so tell us Edip who appointed you to give people this terrible news? laugh
Dear Herbman,
Where did you hear a LETTER named SHADDA in Arabic Alphabet. I know that humans do give birth, but rarely alphabets give birth to new letters.
Peace,
Edip
how did you help RK when you are ignorant of basic arabic language?
So what you are saying is you need guidance outside of the Quran before you will believe.
It is you, my friend, who look for guidance outside the quran, as quran doesn't say safa and marwa are the names of mountains but sure we find these things in books of ahadith, the so called teachings of the prophet.
Peace
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And Allah has said Take not two gods, He is only one God; so of Me alone should you be afraid.
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And He it is Who is God in the heavens and God in the earth; and He is the Wise, the Knowing.
This is your excuse and I have no doubt you will regret it in the Day of Judgment.
You've just proved that you follow a new sect and worship your idol, everyday i here such stupid talk that if you don?t follow hadith of bukhari you will regret it in the day of judgement.. if you don?t worship our black idol you are gonna regret it. sure, if you people are the judge that day? D
Then, you must be thinking that most of the Sunni and Shiite scholars of the past and present have conspired with us to prove the number 19?
you know i?m not surprised, in our country all these sunni sects keep fighting with each other over small differences of how should they pray blah blah, but they all have full consensus over all their anti-quranic laws like ?stoning to death? ?death of apostate? ?marriage with minor? etc
What about all the Quran manuscripts that separate chapter 9 from 8?
Peace
Edip
I see, so that is you proof? Old is gold?
Peace )
No other trials would trivialize the fact that the number of Chapters in the Quran are 114, exactly 19x6.
there are 113 chapters in quran and not 114. besides how useful is code 19 that you have created a new sect and another idol called code 19?
I respect the Quran and I follow its guidance regarding God's attributes. There are few attributes of God used for humans, but I will not venture to include the ones that are not used for humans. Furthermore, the mere suggestion that "God has 99 attributes and Muhammad too has 99 attributes," contains a devious message of polytheism.
Peace,
Edip
IMO, If few are used for creation means other attributes can be used as well, unless we are told otherwise. Peace
This poster of this title, who blindly quotes the fabricated 99 names for Muhammad to rival God, is unfortunately so ignorant that he cannot even tell that many of attributes listed for Muhammad belongs to God. Besides, he cannot even think about the fact that some of the God's attributes in his list are not attributes of God. For instance, God is not DAARR (The harmer). Besides, about 15-20 attributes of God mentioned in the Quran is missing from his so-called 99 list.
Peace,
Edip
Edip, why do you think we cannot use God's attributes for His creation?
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This is about Jibrael .
how do you know that?
I could not understand it. I had said this "If not then "Angels" can't be described as natural forces, as was perhaps thought and advocated by G.A Pervez".
How can you say that what I said about him was not true when you have yourself given a quote from G.A Pervez and admitted "we do know now that Pervez did consider malaika as natural forces"
ah, my bad, I'm sorry I misunderstood you. )
Their is another type of "Forces/Troops"
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Resultantly Allah bestowed upon him His tranquility and helped him with such forces which you people do not see.
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and these " other type of forces/troops" are not called malaika? Well, read 4130 & 812
Here G.A. Pervez seems to be carried away by the traditonalists thought who say 79/5 and 51/4 refer to Angels, naively ignoring that the Active participles in both these two verses are feminine while Malaika/Angels are always referred and mentioned as Masculine and obviously a masculine is not like the feminine according to verdict of Allah.
I don't speak for G.A Pervez, I posted that because what you said about him was not true, as we do know now that Pervez did consider malaika as natural forces. )
Can these forces take the physical appearance of Men visible to human sight? If not then "Angels" can't be described as natural forces, as was perhaps thought and advocated by G.A Pervez.
There is no contradictory statement in Qur'aan. Angels cannot be considered simultaneously as "Personalities" and electromagnetic energy or force etc. What I meant was that if Angels can come as Human Men then the presumptive thought of calling them as "forces like various energies" would be wrong.
I don't think there is any contradiction as there is no mention of any human personality being an angel in quran.
Messengers means and are meant to convey the Message which comprises of Kalam/spoken words. Messengers are only from Angels and Men from human beings .
I've never read such thing in quran that malaika rehearsed to prophets, on the contrary quran tells us that gibrael descended it on prophet's mind 297.
Sp you agree that if Angels can appear in the form of human man then they can't be described as natural forces.
I never said that, I am merely requesting a reference so that we all can see if what you are saying is also a quranic veiw? anyway here is G A Pervez's view of Malaika
<< Malaika - malik - (alif-lam-kaf or meem-lam-kaf)
It is usually translated in English as angels, but the common religious notion of the word is very different from its Quranic concept. Some scholars think that its root is alkun which means to convey a message and al-malaika means messengers. Alaka means to chew something (Taj/Moheet). Ibn-e-Faris has also given this meaning.
Other scholars think that its root is malkun which means force. Raghib says that malaika, in fact, are the forces (malakun) who are given the responsibility of discharging certain duties. Even among human beings, people who are given some authority and responsibility are called malikun. Mufti Muhammad Abdohu, in his Tafseer Al-Minar writes that everything in the universe has some basic energy or force by virtue of which it exists, survives, or retains balance. People who do not believe in wahi call these forces the forces of nature, but in the Quranic language they are called malaika. Anyway, the name should not make much difference as long as one acknowledges the existence of these forces.
The Quran has also used malaika as messengers in verse (22/75). This, of course, is one aspect of their functions or duties, otherwise they are those who direct affairs (79/5) and govern the events by command (51/4). As such, taken as a whole, the root of malaika as malkun sounds better than alkun, i.e., the forces. These forces are not given any will, independent power or discretion to do whatever they like, but carry out the given responsibility as ordained by Allah. The knowledge as to how these forces function has been given to man (2/31) and, therefore, it is within his competence to conquer these forces. This is the meaning of the verse (2/34), where it is stated that all the malaika bowed before Adam.
Malaika are the forces not only operating externally, they are also referred to as the subjective forces having psychological effect (41/30). Nazool-al-malaika, or malaika?s descent, means to bring about psychological changes in man which remove all fears, apprehensions and replace them with confidence and steadfastness. Forces of dejection, depression or fear and disappointment are referred to as forces of Iblees, and positive forces as malaika. Verses (8/12) and (9/26) refer to the forces which strengthened the hearts of the mujahideen in the battle of Badar and Hunain.
Malaika are also referred to as the forces which constantly record human actions and then bring about their destined results (10/21, 43/80); in another place, this responsibility is attributed to Allah (19/79). So malaika are the heavenly forces which are operating in the universe according to the charter of duties assigned to them by Allah. >>
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