You Mr Khan are truly some sick evil person.

There is nothing wrong with what the brother said, yet what you feel the need to attack him without reason. You try to hide behind a few ayaat and pretend to be a sincere brother, yet your seething hostility is blatant. The way you insulted your "brother" and accused him of lying because you deemed his behaviour too suspicious, and then come back with a smiling face pretending to be a sincere brother, telling him to abandon his belief in the Sunnah, reveals your hypocrisy. From the way you act, I wouldn't be surprised if you turned out to be a kaafir here to confuse and deviate Muslims.

Disbelieving in jinn is kufr, as it necessitates disbelief in the Quran and Sunnah. Either you have an extremely rudimentary knowledge of hadith, or you disbelieve in it entirely. Disbelief in the sunnah is kufr. Taking only the Quran with your own little interpretation will lead you astray, as it obviously has. Does Allah not tell you to follow His prophet (SWS) in the Quran? Does He not praise the sahaba who narrate the Prophet (SWS)'s companions? If you'd actually read the Quran with submission, you'd understand.

You attack my brother because he sought assistance from Muslim jinn against black magic and try to argue against him with "logic" (when your own logic is incredibly flawed). Only Allah has the power to relieve someone of distress. Medicine, reading Quran, etc. are the means. There is nothing wrong with using these means, as this brother has, or as you would do if you were sick.

And I honestly don't know what kind of a messed up interpretation you've made of the Holy Quran for yourself, but the ayaat on jinn are clear. Even a 5 year old would know that black magic is true, from Surah al-Falaq.

All this brother did was post some interesting information he asked from a jinn. Whether or not it is true is between him and Allah. On top of that, he is in distress. He has not harmed anyone with what he wrote and there is no kufr in it, yet, you who claim to be his brother, attack and accuse him of lying, and even go as far to insult him, instead of consoling and making du'a for him. What kind of a Muslim are you?

If this brother reads his salah and often reads the Quran as says, then he is far more trustworthy than the likes of you.

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Brother "freshmad",

Thank you for the information, it is really interesting and you've answered many questions I had. May Allah help you and your family and relieve you of your distress and raise you and your family in ranks in jannah.

I strongly advise you to leave this forum. These people have probably already caused you some confusion, and the company of most of them is not any good. If you really want to use forums, visit a reputable one like ummah.com. You'll find rude and hostile people there too as with any forum, but you'll have the support and company of many good, practicing brothers and sisters.

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Above poster,

He isn't delusional, and your name is pretty wrong. "Student of Allah"? Only the prophets can claim to be students of Allah, since they receive their knowledge from Him. If anything's delusional here, it's your name. There are multitudes of people who witness similar things, not just Muslims.

Ask for someone who does exorcisms in your area, and see if you can accompany him on one. If you can't do that much, then be content with reading ahadith. Your proof is there.

You people are incredibly stupid.

Rude? No, it's called bluntness. Jinn are clearly explained in the Quran and Hadith, so why on earth would you go from something that is clear to something unclear which you popped out of your own head? Yet the entire point of this forum is exactly this. Making up your own conclusions about Islamic laws is one thing, but introducing your own innovations into belief is complete and utter kufr. That means it makes you a kaafir. Yes. So if you have any brains, submit yourselves to the Quran and Sunnah, and stop labelling your stupidity as "truth".

An example of your ignorance and stupidity

To me, jinn is one of the most confusing topics in the Qur'an. At certain points, it seems jinn are simply emotions. At other points, they are a race. They are made from fire, or have a fiery temperment. At the same time, some submit to God while others do not, and still some are caught in between.

Surah 72 depicts them as nomads. But check out 3440-41

3440 One Day He will gather them all together, and say to the angels, "Was it you that these men used to worship?"
3441 They will say, "Glory to Thee! our (tie) is with Thee - as Protector - not with them. Nay, but they worshipped the Jinns most of them believed in them."

Does that make any sense to you? Do you know of anyone who worships invisible beings that we call "jinn"? I certainly don't. However, this was made out to be important enough to include in the Qur'an, which means masses of people will have worshipped the jinn.

Do you know of anyone who worships fire? I certainly don't, so they can't exist! I also don't know any Jews, so they can't exist either!

The moron here doesn't understand that some powerful jinn would be worshipped by some people in ancient Arabia. Had he tried to understand and actually sought this knowledge, he would've found that they even used to believe that jinn were the sons of Allah (authubillah). This is still practiced in Voodooism and some African shamans, who worship jinn as "ancestors" and allow self-possession, and even magicians who worship the jinn in return for their assistance.

As for the topic itself and those who say this is sorcery although it can be used for that, you people need to think before you speak about religion, and speak only when you are sure, especially when talking about fatawa. Suleyman (AS) had jinn in his service, and here you are calling it sorcery, when Allah rebukes the Jews and Christians in the Quran for doing the same thing. Rasulullah (SWS) himself was about to subdue a jinn until he remembered Suleyman (AS)'s du'a that no one after him should be granted an army like his. You who immediately say that communicating with jinn is something evil are just as ignorant as the morons who make up their own interpretations of the Quran.

Yes, often times learning "secret knowledge" like this requires the person to do disgusting acts and kufr, like abusing the Quran and making sacrifices to the jinn, and yes people need and use jinn to practice their black magic. There isn't any kufr or shirk in the described procedure though, unless these "mantras" are ayaat read backwards or something. There are even other forms of black magic that don't use jinn.

Whether or not binding a jinn itself is permissible is something that needs to be taken to someone with knowledge and should be avoided entirely in the meantime. Telling people to summon jinn to prove their argument is stupidity. Use the Quran and Sunnah, and if they disagree, then leave them to their kufr. Yes, not believing in jinn as they are is kufr since it necessitates disbelief in the Quran and Hadith.

Those of you who like to make up your own interpretations are playing a very dangerous game. The Quran and Islam itself are not something to mess around with. Try reading the Quran with submission and acceptance for once.