2234?they wait with themselves four months, and ten

A clear verse and as with all directives, Quran is best read exactly as stated without added preconceptions (?) to be understood as one would at the time simply reading?

http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/wadi1.html
he wrote in Jumd of the year seven
and twenty (i.e., 27 AH).

http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/hajri.html
This inscription was written
in Jumada II
of the year one and thirty.

http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/basra.html

Made in Basra in year nine and sixty

That last one was interesting, never realized ?made in? was that old. lol

In addition, no abrogation within Quran
They get ? (1/8 if child) of inheritance 412 after year of maintenance 2240 if set aside.

http//www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=6494

Seems most the traditionalists commentaries, interpretations, word insertions, etc. were a work around to rob widows and daughters of there legal and rightful bequests.

Peace

Dear 6619,

9128-129 were added to sura 9 in the first century AH.

Ascertained reading hadith, as traditionalists claim verses on stoning are missing.

Quranix is overwhelmingly right about the way "the recitation" should be written. I do not claim there are no mistakes at all. I identified a couple mistakes as well.

Good you admit it is overwhelmingly inconsistent.

The process to get a Quran that is 100% pure (to the very letter) is still an ongoing process.

The manipulation is ongoing, verses/words deleted and misspelled using +/- 1 hamza and alif tool.

I personnally believe that the count of A.L.M. in ALM initialed suras is still an ongoing debate, in spite of the recent research conducted on 19.org.

Good you admit A.L.M. count is false and misleading as pointed out, as is A.L.R.

http//submission.org/quran/app1.html

Table 5 Occurence of the Letters
"A," "L," and "R" in the
A.L.R.-Initialed Suras
Sura
No. Frequency of Occurence Total
"A" "L" "R"
10 1319 913 257 2489 (19x131)
11 1370 794 325 2489 (19x131) <------- wrong!
12 1306 812 257 2375 (19x125)
14 585 452 160 1197 (19x63)
15 493 323 96 912 (19x4
5073 3294 1095 9462 (19x49 <------- wrong!

Deliberately miscounted; copy/paste chapter 11 into word; find/search each letter

11 A = 1419 L=793 R=323 Total = 2535 not multiple!

9128-129 are not part of Quran. It is over...
There are two ways to get a 100% pure Quran

This is 100% pure Quran, anyone with a clear mind free of the fitna can "read in context"?

9126-129
See they not that they are put in trail once or twice every year? Yet, they turn not in repentance, nor do they learn a lesson. And whenever there comes down a S?rah, they look at one another (saying) "Does any one see you?" Then they turn away. All?h has turned their hearts because they are a people that understand not. Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He is anxious over you, for the believers full of pity, kind, compassionate. So if they turn away, say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne."

The rest of the ?fluff? added in every post is typical nineteen fetishes? to bedazzle the na?ve and yourselves ? all you see, hear, and listen to is the fitna in your heads. The cure was posted earlier?

Go purchase 13 items, 13 gallons of gas, change sign-on to 13, write 13 posts, do everything 13, kill the fitna whispers from your mind -- heal yourself!

Peace

Pierre

Now Abraham with 2 alif is conspiracy?there is no end to the manipulation. lol

1. Already believe Quran is from God, no need to prove anything.
2. Original Quran was recited, not a book that fell from the sky.

Verse 9129 intact
http//portal.unesco.org/ci/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3355/size/big/cat/

Copying date 2nd Century
Surah name Surat al Tawba, surat Yunus
Verses number part of 129 from surat al Tawba to 3
and part of 4 from surat Yunus

http//portal.unesco.org/ci/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3453/size/big/cat/

Copying Date 1st/2nd centuries
S#363;rah Name S?rah al-Mumtahina
Verses Part of 4 to 8 and part of 9
This page has been written in script. There is some elongation in some letters. The copyist has written the of the letter as a green circle either above it, below it, or on its right side
.

Btw, your site is missing a number of hamza in section above, no surprise?
http//www.quranix.net/#?RTQ=1&TMG=1&MA=1&RK=1&SA=1&TE=1&A=1&L=en&NA=10&S=60&SA=1

http//s5.tinypic.com/n2l7pe.jpg

Likewise most calculations are blatant deceptive manipulation, e.g.

http//submission.org/quran/app1.html

Table 4 Occurence of the Letters
"A," "L," and "M" in the
A.L.M.-Initialed Suras
Sura
No. Frequency of Occurence Total
"A" "L" "M"
2 4502 3202 2195 9899 (19x521)
3 2521 1892 1249 5662 (19x29
29 774 554 344 1672 (19x8 <--- wrong!
30 544 393 317 1254 (19x66)
31 347 297 173 817 (19x43)
32 257 155 158 570 (19x30)
8945 6493 4436 19874 (19x1046) <---- wrong!

Deliberately miscounted in numerous chapters; surah 29 should suffice as proof?

Copy/paste into word, search each letter

29 A = 812 L=550 M=341 Total = 1703 not multiple!

Peace farida,

The rumour about 9128 and 129 is not just a hadith but, Islamic history casting doubt on them. Could be justified as, nowhere in the Quran do we see prophets addressed as ?
Recently we saw another thread where early inscriptions confirms historical date ...

Following rumors bandied about by fitna infected people is not good, Quran is self explanatory...

269 Wa-inna rabbaka lahuwa alAAazeezu alrraheemu
And that your Lord He is the glorious/mighty, the merciful

1278 Qaloo ya ayyuha alAAazeezu
They said (to Joseph) "O you the glorious/mighty?

http//www.openburhan.net/ob_w.php?w=31378

Browse Word

Here is the standard time line; seldom a need to lie about dates...

622 CE Hijira - Muhammad and followers flee to Medina.
Islamic calendar (AH, Anno Hegirae) begins.
624 CE Muslims successfully attack Meccan caravans at Badr.
625 Muslims are defeated by Meccans at Uhud.
630 Muslims capture Mecca. Ka'ba is cleansed, pilgrimage rites are Islamicized, tribes of Arabia vow allegiance to Muhammad
632 Death of Muhammad. Abu Bakr chosen as caliph.
632-33 Wars of ridda (apostasy) restore allegiance to Islam
633 Muslim conquests (Futuhat) begin.
633-42 Muslim armies take the Fertile Crescent (Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Mesopotamia), North African coast, parts of Persian and Byzantine Empires
c. 650 Caliph Uthman has the Qur'an written down.
656 Uthman is murdered; Ali becomes fourth caliph.

632 + 24 = 656

Perhaps that is what the person meant by 4 and 20.

Peace

Peace Ayman,

If you read the beginning of this thread back in 2004, you will see that I used to think that "hajj" meant "debate" too. I now clearly see that I was wrong.

From 2158, it shows that the animals and the stone that they are slaughtered/cooked on is an integral part of the "hajj". There is no mention at all of any kind of thing related to debate. In fact, we are clearly told not to argue/debate during the feast (2197). Clearly, any "convincing" that will happen during the feast will only happen by virtue of it being in a place where no partners are setup with the god and thus by people WITNESSING the good example of such community and not by debating.

Albanian religious communities foster co-operation
http//www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2009/01/21/feature-03

This is hajj hey, (who wudda thunk it) in Albania... ;D

http//www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/images/2009/01/21/MANJOLAphoto.jpg

According to tradition and other historical accounts, a Persian soldier assassin stabbed Umar in public as the caliph was leading prayers in a mosque. Zuhayr, who may have witnessed the violent crime, recorded that Umar died in "four and twenty," which means 644 A.D.

This is useful information more so interested in how they wrote, used words/meanings etc., especially numbers seems at times written backwards; small number first then larger one as in quran.

2234? 4 months and 10 (14 months)

1825 300 years and add 9 (not sure about this one)

I take it then
50 years and 1000 = 1050 years
50 years and 900 = 950 years

2914 And We had sent Noah to his nation, so he stayed in them 1000 years illa 50

Since illa is used above renders it in reverse

?so he stayed in them 1000 years no more than 50 (i.e. millennium less/illa 50)

Similar to,
7431 And We did not make the fire's owners only/no more than angels (illa mala-ikata)

To give another example it is currently 530 pm and to say that I stayed 5 minutes

530 illa 5

Hope that makes sense.

Peace

Sun is feminine, Qamar is masculine, so declared by the One Who created both two.

Peace Mazhar,

The Arabic being male dominant language is a bit tricky; can refer to both male and female as in

8019
Min nutfatin khalaqahu faqaddarahu

8019...so He predestined him

Likewise,

105

Huwa allathee jaAAala alshshamsa diyaan waalqamara nooran waqaddarahu manazila litaAAlamoo AAadada alssineena waalhisaba ma khalaqa Allahu thalika illa bialhaqqi yufassilu al-ayati liqawmin yaAAlamoona

We can continue this lunar vs. solar year discussion in another thread or that hot Ramadan one. As for this topic, I believe this old inscription (if reliable) solves the mystery and it may in fact be 4 and 10 shahr/months?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597964.msg195197;topicseen#msg195197

"According to tradition and other historical accounts, a Persian soldier assassin stabbed Umar in public as the caliph was leading prayers in a mosque. Zuhayr, who may have witnessed the violent crime, recorded that Umar died in "four and twenty," which means 644 A.D."

Peace

Brother, but what would be the evidence from Quran to consider one thing according to lunar and the other with solar system. And calaendar from the beginning of our Universe is the one which Arabs followed, i.e. the lunar calendar.

"He is the One Who has given the Sun characteristic of radiating heat and light; and to the Moon of reflecting light. And He appointed the stages/spaces of the Moon so that you people may know the count/number of {Lunar} years and calculations, equations. And Allah has not created this except for a determined purpose and as proven fact. He distinctly explains the statements of the Book so that people may learn/know" {Refer 1005}

So we will have to remain on one system. Thanks.

Brother, no word ?lunar? in the verse you quoted and Arabs/traditionalists are wrong on many things.

Nor infer 12 lunar months = 1 solar year, this is not in Quran which says there are 12 shahr.

105 He is who made the sun light/shining and the moon a light, and He evaluated it places of descent/sequences/descents to know (the) number (of) the years and the counting/calculating, God did not create that except with the truth , He explains the verses/evidences to a nation knowing.

I believe ?places of descent/sequences? manazila in this refers back to the sun, to calculate solstice.

Whereas in 3639 manazila obviously refers to the moon stages/phases to calculate the months.

3639

3639 And the moon We predestined it (in) sequences/descents until it returned as/like the palm tree's branch/date bunch, the old.

Likewise, it is sun to calculate years tied to sun/seasons?

1712

1712 And We made the night and the daytime two signs, so We wiped erased the night's sign, and We made the daytime's sign clearly visible to the eye and understanding, to wish grace from your Lord, and to know the years' number, and the counting/calculating, and every thing We detailed it explaining.

1247

1247 He said "You sow/seed/plant seven years consistently, so what you harvested, so leave it in its ear/spike (of corn, barley etc.), except little from what you eat."

To use lunar years in my opinion brings about contradiction and we know interpretation is in error.

Peace

Dear 6619,

Pierre Do you realize that your Quran is in Farsi?!?!?!?!?!?! http//www.submission.org/efarsi/Quran-Hadith-Islam.htm

It is obvious you cannot read, your idol wrote 'Ibrhma 56 times in Arabic using 6 Arabic letters ...lol

http//www.openburhan.net/ob_w.php?w=76534

Browse Word

Browse Root

http//www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=3&translator=7&mac=&font_name=1&font_size=8

http//www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/3/68

368

As for the rest of your long rant (no comment), did not read, topic should be moved to appropriate forum/trash section ? my opinion of course.

Peace

Conception and breast feeding is for 30 months. Breast feeding is for complete 24 months. And it shows the period of his conception by his mother and delivery 6 months. And conception was also explained for the husbands

Peace Mazhar, agree with what you wrote except to be more precise...

1712 And We made the night and the daytime two signs, so We wiped erased the night's sign, and We made the daytime's sign clearly visible to the eye and understanding, to wish grace from your Lord, and to know the years' number, and the counting/calculating, and every thing We detailed it explaining.

Exact equation

3114 and his weaning in two years (< 2 not = 2)
4615 and his pregnancy with him, and his weaning 30 months

30 months ? his weaning (< 2 years solar) = pregnancy

(30 x lunar month) - (< 2 x 365.242199 days) = 155.433302 or more days

155.433299 / 29.53059 = 5.26346744+ lunar months

155.433299 / 7 = 22.204757+ weeks

Peace

Pierre You do not say anything of substance to disprove 361 except for trying to look sophisticated. You don?t dare to face statistical facts.

It is obvious what you are doing is manipulating data

Desired Output = Cherry Picked Inconsistent Input

Add/delete alif and hamza until your fitna desire is met.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamza

Alone ;
Combined with a letter
and (above and under an alif)
(above a ww)
(above a dotless y, also called y hamza)

It is NOT a letter, like writing d?j? vu -- markings etc added later, see examples of early writings...

http//www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/samarqand.html

Eighth-century Qur'an
http//www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/sacredtexts/meccaquran.html

Pierre Since when do you write Ibrahim with two alifs?

'Ibrhma

6 Arabic letters

=1 = 2 =200 =1 = 5 =10 =40

Now tell your friends before messing with their and your idol's code. lol

Quran, Hadith, and Islam
by
Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/Quran-Hadith-Islam.htm

"ABRAHAM IS DESCRIBED IN QURAN IN THE SAME WORDS; word for word.

.

(&#1781 (&#1782

Pierre It is a consistent system used for all four words of the Bismillah.

Yes consistently inconsistent absurd; we get a nineteen miracle messenger every other week it seems.

Pierre No it is true. The word Ism (not Bism), in its pure form, occurs 19 times. For instance, the occurrence in Bismillah is not counted because it is not the pure form (, is the pure form as in 961), but an unusual spelling

You should be dancing, yeah... laugh

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdPAkrgW1ko

I'm out, already wasted too much time on this stuff. Follow whatever.

Peace

Using the same method repeatedly and having gematrical values specifically being multiple of 19 Is not bad math but a profound consistent system...

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!
Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.

Thank you for putting the question this way, here is the story of Hamza

Quoted from Wilikipedia
Hamza (Arabic , al-hamzah) (&#1569 is a letter in the Arabic alphabet, representing the glottal stop . Hamza is not one of the 28 "full" letters,

You are welcome. How nineteen convenient, a fine calibration tool +/- 1 simply add hamza to get desired number.

1. hamza is not on GV tables
2. two letters with the same GV value is pointless

The answer is obviously yes. Check http//www.quranix.net/ highlight any verse and click on the abjad sign to verify calculations.

No thanks, you'all cannot add and waste a lot of people's time. From your site

Sura Verse letters GV
3 68 66 3850

Total letters = 66 with hamza 67!

Pseudo, you follow without knowledge what some people posted and you did not even verify, nor did you attempt to take a look at or understand the big picture of the miracle

I did verify posted the link for a reason, reply to it and the one on Bism

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597645.msg191035#msg191035

False #of BiSM in Quran
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597644.0

Raheem applies exclusively to God in the entire Quran

Go reply to it...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597570.msg189611#msg189611

Since God promised to preserve the Quran (159) and we know human errors have crept even in the earliest Quran manuscripts (http//www.submission.org/quran/protect.html), then how has God kept His promise to preserve the Quran?

O' that hadith site, no thanks. Quran is not corrupt and preserved in recital, listen...

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1h09fef92Q

5417 Wa Laqad Yassarn Al-Qur'na Lildhdhikri Fahal Min Muddakirin
5422 Wa Laqad Yassarn Al-Qur'na Lildhdhikri Fahal Min Muddakirin
5432 Wa Laqad Yassarn Al-Qur'na Lildhdhikri Fahal Min Muddakirin
5440 Wa Laqad Yassarn Al-Qur'na Lildhdhikri Fahal Min Muddakirin

We (people who acknowledge the miracle of 19) provide not just an answer but a final solution.

You seem lost in a mindless nineteen forest like the cultists of long ago except they were good in math. lol

Peace

Peace Ayman,

On the other hand, if you count cycles then most of the time you will only get 11 cycles in a year thereby violating 936. This is why we must count the EVENT and NOT the CYCLE. This is the ONLY way to use the moon.

936 That alshshuhoori count at God 12 in God's scripture, the day He created the skies/space and the earth.

Alright then let's start at the beginning of creation day 0

fullmoon days Years
1 0 0 start assuming full moon lol
2 29.53059
3 59.06118
4_ 88.59177
5___ 118.12236
6___ 147.65295
7___ 177.18354
8___ 206.71413
9___ 236.24472
10__ 265.77531
11__ 295.3059
12__ 324.83649
00__ 354.36708 skip full moon
365.242199 1 solstice Happy New Year!
1 383.89767 ramadan
2___ 413.42826
3___ 442.95885
4___ 472.48944
5___ 502.02003
6___ 531.55062
7___ 561.08121
8___ 590.6118
9___ 620.14239
10__ 649.67298
11__ 679.20357
12__ 708.73416
730.484398 2
1 738.26475 ramadan
2___ 767.79534
3___ 797.32593
4___ 826.85652
5___ 856.38711
6___ 885.9177
7___ 915.44829
8___ 944.97888
9___ 974.50947
10__ 1004.04006
11__ 1033.57065
12__ 1063.10124
00__ 1092.63183 skip full moon
1095.726597 3
1 1122.16242 ramadan
2___ 1151.69301
3___ 1181.2236
4___ 1210.75419
5___ 1240.28478
6___ 1269.81537
7___ 1299.34596
8___ 1328.87655
9___ 1358.40714
10__ 1387.93773
11__ 1417.46832
12__ 1446.99891
1460.968796 4
1 1476.5295 ramadan
2___ 1506.06009
3___ 1535.59068
4___ 1565.12127
5___ 1594.65186
6___ 1624.18245
7___ 1653.71304
8___ 1683.24363
9___ 1712.77422
10__ 1742.30481
11__ 1771.8354
12__ 1801.36599
1826.210995 5
1 1830.89658 ramadan
2___ 1860.42717
3___ 1889.95776
4___ 1919.48835
5___ 1949.01894
6___ 1978.54953
7___ 2008.08012
8___ 2037.61071
9___ 2067.1413
10__ 2096.67189
11__ 2126.20248
12__ 2155.73307
00__ 2185.26366 skip full moon
2191.453194 6
1 2214.79425 ramadan
2___ 2244.32484
3___ 2273.85543
4___ 2303.38602
5___ 2332.91661
6___ 2362.4472
7___ 2391.97779
8___ 2421.50838
9___ 2451.03897
10__ 2480.56956
11__ 2510.10015
12__ 2539.63074
2556.695393 7
1 2569.16133 ramadan
2___ 2598.69192
3___ 2628.22251
4___ 2657.7531
5___ 2687.28369
6___ 2716.81428
7___ 2746.34487
8___ 2775.87546
9___ 2805.40605
10__ 2834.93664
11__ 2864.46723
12__ 2893.99782
2921.937592 8
1 2923.52841 ramadan
2___ 2953.059
3___ 2982.58959
4___ 3012.12018
5___ 3041.65077
6___ 3071.18136
7___ 3100.71195
8___ 3130.24254
9___ 3159.77313
10__ 3189.30372
11__ 3218.83431
12__ 3248.3649
00__ 3277.89549 skip full moon
3287.179791 9
1 3307.42608 ramadan
2___ 3336.95667
3___ 3366.48726
4___ 3396.01785
5___ 3425.54844
6___ 3455.07903
7___ 3484.60962
8___ 3514.14021
9___ 3543.6708
10__ 3573.20139
11__ 3602.73198
12__ 3632.26257
3652.42199 10
1 3661.79316 ramadan
2___ 3691.32375
3___ 3720.85434
4___ 3750.38493
5___ 3779.91552
6___ 3809.44611
7___ 3838.9767
8___ 3868.50729
9___ 3898.03788
10__ 3927.56847
11__ 3957.09906
12__ 3986.62965
00__ 4016.16024 skip full moon 1 day before solstice, huge illusion
4017.664189 ___11

Something is missing, probably obvious, and skipping full moons or calling it no name doesn't seem right.

Also puzzling is also why 8 hijajin is used and not years???

2827 He said "That I, I want , that I marry you to one (of) my two daughters, those two, on that you hire to me (yourself for) eight hijajin, so if you completed ten, so (it) is from at you, and I do not want that I make hardship/difficulty on you, you will find me, if God willed/wanted from the correct/righteous."

Does hajj have to be every year? Does it say 12 shahr in a solar year?

This full moon business, blind not fasting, missing the moon illusion or full moon altogether, skipping 5 in the first 11 years, different wait times for same offense etc., too many issues.

Peace

Pseudo, firstly, I want to thank you because you took the time to verify the gematrical values of verses. Unfortunately when citing verses 5677, you missed the Hamza in the word ?Quran?
5677
This is an honorable Quran.
1 (&#1575 - 50 (&#1606- 5 (&#1607- 30 (&#1604- 100 (&#1602- 200(&#1585 - 1(&#1569 -1( )- 50(&#1606- 20( )-200(&#1585- 10(&#1610- 40 (&#1605 GV 708

To add to my post above...did you also add hamza +1 to GV value in verse below?

(2792)

Waan atluwa alqur-ana famani ihtada fa-innama yahtadee linafsihi waman dalla faqul innama ana mina almunthireena

What about all these, did you calculate correctly?

Hamza (&#1569 the glottal stop .
Hamza is not one of the 28 "full" letters
The hamza can be written alone or with a carrier, in which case it becomes a diacritic
Alone ;
Combined with a letter
and (above and under an alif)
(above a ww)
(above a dotless y, also called y hamza)

I don't see anything wrong with eating pork. Its true it is in the Torah also but it is not in the Gospel. Its no big deal if you ask me. But then again God does test people He says in the Koran. Maybe its a test to the people at the time to see who has faith as He did with the Israelites when He forbade them to fish in the river or when He warned the people of another prophet not to slaughter a cow. Yet also with the Israelites again they were told to slaughter a cow but they hesitated and acted stupid. The Koran itself says we should stick with the clear verses and avoid to speculate on the vague ones and says these verses that are vague can be a test to see what spin people do on them.

But if it was important the Koran would have commented on it and warned against it and reminded people about it and praised those who avoided it. None of this is there regarding eating pork.

It is 100% clear Do Not Eat Pig!
http//www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=flesh+of+swine&chapter=&translator=2&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=exact

Even if a healthy lean koby steak is dedicated to other than God.
http//www.1-800-kobebeef.com/?gclid=CPakzI6NgpkCFQ4MDQoduws_mQ

Do Not Eat!

Unless forced, it is direct willful disobedience and fail the test.

Peace

Unfortunately when citing verses 5677, you missed the Hamza in the word ?Quran?
5677
This is an honorable Quran.
1 (&#1575 - 50 (&#1606- 5 (&#1607- 30 (&#1604- 100 (&#1602- 200(&#1585 - 1(&#1569 -1( )- 50(&#1606- 20( )-200(&#1585- 10(&#1610- 40 (&#1605 GV 708

Right like the little thingy in caf?,

Which letter in Arabic Alphabet is hamza, when was it included, tell us the story?

Why is its GV value = 1?

Why not included in geometric values?

Have you consistently included this in ALL your calculations, and those of your idol?

I doubt you will ever find the word Quran without Hamza.

http//www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

Can it be some type of MONSTER coincidence?

No, if no 19, nothing to entice anyone to it. You see it works with all verses
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597669.msg190690#msg190690

Or would you rather react like Pharaoh and his people?

The magicians used deceptive tactics, diversion, hamza, cluttered posts, bad inconsistent math.

as stated in 9128, when God alone is Merciful?

FALSE RaHMaN 57 times in Quran
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597645.0

Bismillah ( &#1607, and thus excluding 9128-129

False #of BiSM in Quran
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597644.0

(an extra word God occurs in 9129);

Re # Allah in Quran
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597669.msg194138#new

Peace

Salaam Pseudo,

Not exactly bought it but convinced to a certain extent.

Also, not naive but you can call me lazy, beside its been a looong time since I left mathematical calculation behind, and no matter how many convincing challenge you leave "for those who can't count" I would rather rely on you to do that for your sister nope

I wanted to invite your views as before, but left it to you to oblige so I am glad to see you have taken the challange offered by 6619 and I look forward to a final solution to a debate that is crucial for the future if Islam in the world. muscle

peace

Peace farida,

You misunderstood me, I was referring to the posters of the threads -- cannot count, don't check their work and are absurdly naive on math and statistics easily lured by only 19 avoid seeing the 18/19 rest of the universe.

There is nothing to debate, it all falls apart with the mistake in 5677 (12 letters not 13) and God knows how many errors in GV values are miscounted in thousands of letters then they challenge others to waste time.

peace

Peace Tlepsh,

In my understanding the ?3idda? for widows is four ashhur. And ?mata3? is 10 ashhur. This is what mentioned in 2.234. It is not four ashhur and ten days but it is four ashhur and ten ashhur. God did not mention ?days? in 2.234.

Quran uses 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20?

Why not 14?

The same was used as time about the young lads in the cave.

1825 And they stayed in their cave 300 years and add 9.

Is it 300 years add 9 years, or months, or days?

In Quran day in daylight sense (not time/era) is dawn-sunset not complete 24hr cycle.

I believe 10 refers to 24 hour cycles (day + night) after 4 shahr.

Start of wait for all widows regardless of menstrual state is phase of shahr (day + night) in which the husband expired; wait 4 occurrences of that same phase date and 10. Example If husband expired today Feb 28, 2009

Old Farmer?s Almanac Moon Phase Calendar
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/moon/calendar/index.php

New Moon 836 P.M. Feb 25
TODAY Feb 28 14% 4 days

1 shahr March 30 19% 4 days
2 shahr April 28 16% 4 days
3 shahr May 28 23% 4 days
4 shahr June 26 21% 4 days

Wait 10 more to July 6 100% 14 days

July 7, 2009 she is free

At issue are 12 shahr/year and which phase to use, new/full etc.

We should pick up and continue this thought/discussion in Hot Ramadan thread?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg194882;boardseen#new

Peace

Salaam,

http//www.islamrevolution.org/361mainarticle.htm
I believe a decisive attempt to solve the Hafs and Warsh and 9128-129 issues forever.

What issues?

It's all Quran and numbers are to aid as quick reference, we can use dots too.

9128

9129

From your site erroneously bad translation ?

7431 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers,

7431 And We did not make the fire's owners except/only angels (illa mala-ikatan), and We did not make their number except/only a test (illa fitnatan) to those who disbelieve?

This website was published on 31/01/2009 exactly 19 years -day for day- after Rashad

Yes miraculous how it was published that day. lol

Sura Verse letters GV
3 68 66 3850
5 53 78 4320
7 129 88 7821
10 82 32 1463
15 5 26 2152
18 28 129 9344
21 46 45 3355
25 35 41 2539
27 92 63 4745
34 6 65 3547
38 3 37 1702
43 9 50 4344
51 20 20 1856
56 77 13 708
70 42 41 4126
80 20 12 948
99 1 20 2289

602 716 826 59109 = 19x3111

Sum of GV is multiple = BIG FREAKING DEAL! In infinity, infinity is multiple!

602 not multiple!
716 not multiple!
826 not multiple!
602 716 826 not multiple!
602 x 716 x 826 = 356 032 432 not multiple!

3850 not multiple!
4320 not multiple!
7821 not multiple!
1463 yes, 1 out of 17 expected!
2152 not multiple!
9344 not multiple!
3355 not multiple!
2539 not multiple!
4745 not multiple!
3547 not multiple!
1702 not multiple!
4344 not multiple!
1856 not multiple!
708 not multiple!
4126 not multiple!
948 not multiple!
2289 not multiple!
3850 4320 7821 1463 2152 9344 3355 2539 4745 3547 1702 4344 1856 708 4126 948 2289 not multiple!

Innahu laqur-anun kareemun
5677 That it truly (is) a Quran, honored
5677

5677 letters = 12 not 13!
5677 GV 1+50+5+30+100+200+1+50+20+200+10+40 = 707 NOT 708!

Total GV = 59108 not multiple!

Now a counter challenge

Go purchase 13 items, 13 gallons of gas, change sign-on to 13, write 13 posts, do everything 13, kill the fitna whispers from your mind -- heal yourself!

Peace farida,

I did not doubt the miracle of 19, but was apprehensive about removing 9128-129/ Now, for the first time, I found the arguments convincing.

O dear, like you're about to buy a used car or a bridge from a guy in a checkered coat. lol

Here was another convincing challenge for those who can't count

http//y19.net/74-31.htm 6401510130130700202001030302600200

Please explain where is kh?' (gv 600) in last word?

Or this challenge for the naive
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9702.msg191391#msg191391

Reminds me of once going to traffic court and the judge said

This is like a bikini contest; what's revealed is interesting, but what's concealed is vital! laugh

Peace