http//planetary.org/blog/article/00002443/
Space Conference 2010
Buzz Aldrin, Jim Bell, and Louis Friedman with a model of Phobos at President Obama's Space Conference, April 15, 2010.Credit The Planetary Society

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Buzz Aldrin and President Obama
Buzz Aldrin and President Barack Obama discuss future missions to Phobos at the 2010 Space Conference, April 15, 2010.

Further to the above post ...Of course this is not conclusive proof of anything but its interesting

Peace

The first step is to recognise that reference to Hajj is really reference to Hag for all people
this will be reestablished in the future...
may it be soon
peace

He is the Lord of Sirius 5349

Please explain

http//www.greatdreams.com/pyramid_orion.jpg

Peace simple,

"Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment of all religious groups"

For the people who are trying to get a job, racial/religious discrimination is a big hurdle. Does one try to shave off his beard or drop her veil to get a job? Does this rate include women who are more likely to be full-time homemakers? There are less of a range of jobs for Muslims to choose from e.g. no gambling, alcohol, sex industry etc Do Muslims have the finances to get qualifications.

"Muslims were identified with the poorest health of all communities"
That would be expected for probably the least wealthy community?

"Muslims have the highest rate of disability amongst all communities at 24%"
Are they practising self-harm?

"There are more young people amongst the Muslim community than in any other faith group, up to 34%"

What's wrong with that?

Immigrants no matter who, no matter where, need time to establish themselves.

Peace,

Understanding re-incarnation as 'coming back to life as a different living being in this world', I answered no. This verse as well as 2399-100 seems to speak clearly against re-incarnation;

Or it(the soul) should say when it sees the punishment Were there only a returning for me, I should be of the doers of good.

I haven't ever seen any Quranic evidence for re-incarnation.

Peace enquirer,

Your motto states,

'My religion is trying to love unconditionally'.

how do you reconcile this with the following?

Allah loves those who act aright

Allah loveth not such as are proud and boastful

Peace,

I think it is also likely that Lot was exasperated and was offering his daughters rhetorically knowing of course that they wouldn't accept the offer.

"Who else would invite their enemy to come study and spends billions upon billions to rebuild nations after defeating their tyrranical dictators in war? "

you wouldn't be talking about the billions of dollars going to american contractors like halliburton would you?

"Ever go to Baghdad during Saddam's reign? I did. People were asking us to bring them medicine for tape worm on our next visit -- medicine Americans associate with their house pets because the problem is so rare among the human population here. That's how well Saddam treated his people, that is when he and his sons weren't gassing, raping, torturing, or shredding innocents, and when he had time to take a break from pocketing all the funds from the Oil for Food scandal with help from the corrupt UN, who you treat as a valid source of objective data."

ever hear about the economic sanctions on iraq? the usa was the most adamant that the sanctions keep on being imposed. but who really suffered-the iraqi people.

the usa was pro-saddam for many many years and let him get entrenched in power.

The Religions of Wood and Stone
Posted on May 12, 2011 by healthzombie
In the Book of Devarim (Dueteronomy 4), as the children of Israel were about to enter the Promised Land, Hashem tells them of a time in the far future when they would be exiled among the nations for sins against HaShem and the breaking of the covenant. During there long exiles they would abandon faith in the God of Israel and would be disobedient to the Torah that they received on Mount Sinai. HaShem said that they would serve the gods of wood and stone. (vs 42

?HaShem will scatter you among the people?s, and you will be left few in number among the nations where HaShem will lead you. There you will serve gods, the handiwork of men, of wood and stone, which do not see, and do not, and do not hear, and do not eat and do not smell.? (Devarim 427-2
If one looks closely at this text in the original Hebrew language, some startling things can be seen in verse 28

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  The Hebrew text in red is the phrase that is translated as ?handiwork of men? which is a valid translation but often is seen simply as referring to the making of idols ? of wood and stone. But the text says far more than that. The Hebrew phrase ? ma?aseh y?dai adom - is conveying more than simple idol making but is referring to the works (ma?aseh) of the arm (y?dai) of men (adom). Often in the biblical narrative the arm refers to power or strength. This phrase has an extended meaning of the ?religion of men.? The religions of wood and stone are no mere generic references to false religion but identify the two major gentile religions Christianity, symbolized by the wooden cross that Jesus died on, and Islam, who worships a black stone housed at the Kaaba in Mecca

The Religion of the Stone
The Black Stone (called al-Hajar-ul-Aswad in Arabic) is a Muslim object of reverence, said by some to date back to the time of Adam and Eve. It is the eastern cornerstone of the Ka?bah (the ?cube?), the ancient building towards which all Muslims pray, in the center of Masjid al-Haram, the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The Stone is roughly 30 cm (12 in.) in diameter, and 1.5 meters above the ground. Many Muslims believe that the Stone fell from Heaven during the time of Adam and Eve, and that it was once pure and dazzling white, but has turned black because of the sins it has absorbed over the years. Some say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Ka?bah, around 1700-2000 B.C.E. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building?s cornerstones. It was also said that the stone was given to (Ibrahim) Abraham by the Archangel Gabriel. Non-Islamic historians point to the history of baetylus, or meteorite worship, in pre-Islamic Arabia, and say it is likely that the Stone is a meteorite. There are an estimated 1.5 billion Muslims in the world.

The Religion of the Wood
Christianity claims that jesus is the Jewish Messiah who came to pay for the sins of Israel and the world. He was executed on a wooden cross and since that time Pauline Christianity has used the wooden cross as a symbol of Jesus and his mission. Most Christian churches are adorned with crosses in remembrance of him. The wooden cross of course come from a tree and there are even references in the New Testament that state that Jesus was hung on a tree. Deuteronomy 428 actually states that the religion of wood is a religion of the tree

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  Throughout the Tanakh, HaShem condemned other religions of the wood as idolatrous ? such as the pagan religions that worshipped the Asherah pole which was really just a tree that was stripped of it?s branches and decorated. Additionally, our Torah specifically states that all who hang on a tree are cursed

And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he is to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day (for he that is hanged is accursed of God), that thy land be not defiled which the HaShem thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. (Deuteronomy 2122-23)
Though Christianity believes the man Jesus was the Messiah, I ask you,would God make a man He Himself has cursed the deliverer of Israel? Hardly.

If we again return to the Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 427-28 we find Torah codes that also connect Christianity and Islam to this verse about the false religions of wood and stone. A EDL (Equal Distance Lettering) count of 50 letters within these passages identifies both religions. The green letters reveal the name Yeshu, a specific reference to Jesus. The EDL count of the orange letters reveals the word Mecca in reverse. The Hebrew verse numbers (in purple) are not counted as they are not part of the original Hebrew text of the Torah.

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  Literally centuries before Christianity (1300 years) and Islam (2000 years) were ever conceived, HaShem warned us of them and identified them specifically within the text of our Torah. Judaism, the One True Faith in the Creator differs from all the other religions in many different ways but only one difference is needed to point out the special character of Judaism from all the rest. All the many thousands of the worlds gentile religions base their faith in the revelation of one person. Buddhism, Confucianism, Christianity. Hare Krishna, Islam and all the others are founded upon the teachings of one person who received revelation from god. Judaism, however, is not based on the revelation of one person. The Children of Israel journeyed to Mount Sinai and received a national revelation. Millions of Israelites heard the words of God. Not a single person but an entire nation.

Any gentile religion, well meaning as they may be, does not represent the true and actual words and teaching of HaShem. Only Judaism stands alone, separate and heads above the rest of the faiths of the world. Israel is a chosen people and their faith is undeniably the Truth.

Article is based on the teaching of Rabbi Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi from Divine Information

I think it is worth re-examining this word Naar-Fire in the Quran especially as it relates to what is to come

Moses saw a fire and someone spoke in the name of from the fire Quran 277-9
.....he did not see 7143

PEACE BE UPON YOU

Buzz Aldrin has something to get of his chest....

http//www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos.html

http//www.northjersey.com/arts_entertainment/88752042_To_the_Moon_and__Stars_.html
Moonstruck

Despite his close association with the Moon, Aldrin would like to see humans explore the moons of Mars and the surface of Mars. He even discusses these things with his dance partner.

"We're very comfortable with each other," he says of Costa. "I show her the latest photographs of the moon Phobos on Mars that is very, very crucial to our future as we expand outward. She's quite interested in that. That doesn't take too much time, so we move on to all of our . ? She's got more to show me than I have to show her."

It's a safe bet that the word "Phobos" had never been uttered in those rehearsal rooms before Aldrin's arrival.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_x68J3tZjY

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaiSfn8jlxY&feature=related

Perhaps reference to Buruj - Stronghold towers in heaven and missles - Please refer to 1516-18 - 5533 - 727-9

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fobos-Grunt
Will be interested to see if any announcements before then or upon landing in late 2012

http//www.roberteisenman.com/articles/ad_etal.pdf

http//www.roberteisenman.com/articles/zaddik_idea.pdf

Something to work with

Aramaic - North Mesopotamia

Look here

Sincerely

Peace

Peace all,

According to linguists Arabic and Hebrew never had a royal we... it has been introduced as an explanation after Quran was written.

What are we to make of the 'royal we' then... confused

I am interested in your input on this one

Peace
Neil

Hi all,

Has anyone read the books of Ralph Ellis? You may google his name to see some of his titles

If I say the Great Pyramid could be the place to go on Pilgrimmage and timekeeper and compass of orientation of the world I am happy to hear the most obvious refutations to dismiss this idea.

I'd rather hear the obvious reasons why not before going into the possibilities which may amount to nothing. Sorry to ask for proof of a negative.

Sincerely not trying to be a troublemaker.

Peace
Neil

Peace all,

I have read Ayman's articles on Ramadan and Laylat Al-Qadr and have questions that I hope can be answered.

http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
Ayman you seem to say that Ramadan is around the time of the summer solstice (first full moon after it until the next full moon) and that the restrictions on game hunting associated with Hajj in the following months have much to do with the seasons and animal behavior within these months. I quote below..

"The timing of the restriction is significant, especially given that the restriction is on hunting wild-life. Interestingly, the restriction doesn't cover domesticated livestock animals (see 51). Why is that? The answer may be because summer is the time when most wild animals and even wild birds give birth. By killing a wild female animal, you are not only killing it but you would also be inadvertently killing all its new-born off-spring who cannot feed and fend for themselves...."

"...Of course, our analysis indicates that the restriction period would be different between the southern and the northern hemisphere. This is fine. There is nothing in the great reading that indicates that they should be the same for people all over the world. We should orient our direction to the truth from our Lord wherever we are, whether in the Southern or Northern hemisphere (see 2149). "

I understand that Ayman means that in the Southern Hemisphere Ramadan will take place after the first full moon after the summer solstice here (I am in Australia) ie after 22 December. Consequently I also take Ayman to mean that we will also have our own 'sacred/restricted months' in which we in the Southern Hemisphere will observe our own Hajj in the months after our Ramadan and hunting restrictions which are appropriate in those months?

If there are 2 Ramadans does it not follow that there are also two sets of sacred months/hajj? Will the location of Hajj cater to pilgrims over a period of 6 months in the year or are there two different locations? surely not?

It also follows that there would be two laylat al-qadr per year? Will there not also be two calendars with two different new years day as the count of full moon months is to begin in the period between one summer solstice to the next?

Thanks for your clarification