Peace.

Exactly haruf.

Is it fair to say anyone does not have rights, no matter their sex, age, or race?

This should be an easy question..

even non-muslims living around muslims still have rights, so how about a believing mother and her believing child?

This again should be an easy question...

sakina

I'm 99.99% certain that the Evangelists ( Protestant division ) do NOT believe in the trinity. They are basically Bible-only Christians, who believe anything extra-Biblical is not from God. ( Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible ). THe Evangelists are usually a bit extremist and will go as far as to accuse the Catholics of being idol-worshippers, and innovators who bow down before paintings and statues . I remember one of my classmates back in Lebanon , during my High-school days, was an Protestant Evangelist. She invited me once to visit one of their churches. I noticed the absence of any statues, paintings or images of Christ and other such things. ( She said the Catholics made those up ). All they had was plain wooden crosses ( no figure of Christ on them ). Also, their priests do not believe in "Vow of Chastity ". They can marry and have children normally.

Peace.

I am 100% certain that Evangelists from the Protestant Division do believe in the trinity...

How do I know?

I used to be one.

Now if they believe they believe in three gods, that is a different question.

The basic tenet in order to be a christian is to believe in the trinty or the concept of.

I believe the quran says those who claim Jesus was son of God or one of the trinity then they are rejectors, right?

Lebananese chrisitans primarily are catholic and orthodox with some maronites and variations, if they adhere to the trinity or not..they still believe Jesus was God's son, right?

Most trinitarians beleive in the trinitys' concepts, but when asked how many gods are there they will say one, but probe a bit further and you will see there real beleifs...

Sakina

Peace.

Hi farida,

I appreciate your reply. I recall a verse that says something to the effect of those who greet you with a greeting other than what Allah greets you with you should beware or something to that effect. It made me think of IQO because he has on the bottom of his posts salaam alykum wr wb or something to that effect. I wonder how many members are really Sunnis trying to disguise themselves. Why be so unbalanced and sexist? Why uphold sexist ideologies from Sunnis and then claim they are quranic? I really think there are quite a few members who are really in disguise, I am not sure if he is one of them or not, but it appears from his posts and attitude that is could be possible. Aren't the believers supposed to be kind to one another and tough with the unbelievers? If this is true either a) he is not following the quran or b) he takes us as "nonbelievers"

This is the only conclusion I can come to now...

a person can debate but to make blatantly sexist and rude statements and come across as harsh isn't the way I beelive

Doesn't the quran say that if Muhammad has been hard hearted no one would have followed him.....?????

Sakina

Salaams Tanveer,

Yes, a very good idea and possibility, Allah willing. That is why it will be necessary for mankind to come together in the striving for all that is good and beneficial to mankind, with the concern for everything else on earth. Science and technology can only lead the way through unity and mutual care, concern and respect, Allah willing.

Let's pray it happens! pr

As Salaamu Alaikum, peace

Peace,

IQO...you mentioned here that it is necessary for all mankind to come together and then said let's pray that happens. I refuse to pray for anyone who is not a believer instructed per quran (pray for the believers only), and certainly all mankind are not beleivers, how do you justify this blatent disregard for the quranic commandment? Why is it that you said ONLY SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY CAN LEAD THE WAY THROUGH UNITY AND MUTUAL CARE, CONCERN AND RESPECT? Shouldn't it be that only God can lead the way via any form he chooses if that be science or technology or whatnot....

Why do you mention Allah Willing? Why not say God Willing or InShaAllah? Why combine two different languages? Where is the logic in that?

Sakina

Peace.

I do not think God needs any help with population control via any form. Don't you notice all the natural disasters and deaths of so many humans at once? Perhaps, this is a form of population control entertwined with survival of the fittest (fittest in belief).

Sakina

Peace.

IQO I can see where your name says "Quran Only"
Just curious as to your belief before you came to "Quran Only"?
Do you attest to the fact that you are following the Quran only and that you do not believe that we should follow hadiths?
It appears from your posts that you try to look through the Quran to validate "Sunni" or "Hadith" standpoints or conclusions, and justify those standpoints via Quran. When looking through the verses are you truly being objective (answer only to yourself..if you wish) or are you looking to seek justifications for the "Sunni" "Hadith" thought process?

I know you have stated that you are looking in the Quran only....and that you do not believe that Quran without hadith is so much different than Sunnism practices, but have you started your research with this mindset or did you later draw this conclusion?

Sakina

Peace.

Perhaps the question the person was trying to ask Layth was when he left, "sunnism" did he ever become an atheist or any other religion before he entered into the Quran Alone (islam).

Or..was there a period of time between the time Layth left Sunnism and entered into the Quran alone stance (islam)?

I would also be interested in knowing what people did Layth associate with that this brother is claiming. Does he have the actual source that we could see to verify this information or invalidate it.

Apprecaite it.

Sakina

Peace.

IQO You posted the following verse

2233
Transliteration Waalwalidatu yurdiAAna awladahunna hawlayni kamilayni liman arada an yutimma alrradaAAata waAAala almawloodi lahu rizquhunna wakiswatuhunna bialmaAAroofi la tukallafu nafsun illa wusAAaha la tudarra walidatun biwaladiha wala mawloodun lahu biwaladihi waAAala alwarithi mithlu thalika fa-in arada fisalan AAan taradin minhuma watashawurin fala junaha AAalayhima wa-in aradtum an tastardiAAoo awladakum fala junaha AAalaykum itha sallamtum ma ataytum bialmaAAroofi waittaqoo Allaha waiAAlamoo anna Allaha bima taAAmaloona baseerun
Literal And the mothers breast feed their children two years complete, to who wanted/intended that (to) complete the lactation/breast feeding period, and on the born to him/father, (is the responsibility of) their provision (F) and their dressing/clothing (F) with the kindness/generosity , (that) no self be burdened/imposed upon except its endurance/capacity , no mother (is) to be harmed with her child, and nor a born to him/father (be harmed) with his child. And on the heir/inharitant similar/equal (to) that, so if they (B) wanted separation (weaning) on acceptance/approval from them (B), and discussion/consultation , so no offense/guilt/sin on them (B), and if you willed/wanted that to seek a wet nurse/breast feeder (for) your children, so no offense/guilt/sin on you if you handed/delivered over what you gave with the kindness/generosity , and fear and obey God, and know that God (is) with what you make/do seeing/knowing/understanding.
Free-Minds And the divorced mothers are allowed to suckle their children two full years, if they wish to complete the suckling. And the man for whom the child is born is responsible for both their provisions and clothing equitably. We do not burden a soul beyond its means. No mother shall be harmed because of her child, nor shall a father be harmed because of his child. And for the guardian is the same requirement. So if they wish to separate out of mutual agreement and council, then there is no sin upon them. And if you want to hire nursing mothers, then there is no sin upon you if you return what you have been given equitably. And be aware of God, and know that God is watching over what you do.
Rashad Khalifa Divorced mothers shall nurse their infants two full years, if the father so wishes. The father shall provide the mother's food and clothing equitably. No one shall be burdened beyond his ability. No mother shall be harmed on account of her infant, nor shall the father be harmed because of his infant. (If the father dies), his inheritor shall assume these responsibilities. If the infant's parents mutually agree to part, after due consultation, they commit no error by doing so. You commit no error by hiring nursing mothers, so long as you pay them equitably. You shall observe GOD, and know that GOD is Seer of everything you do.
Yusuf Ali The mothers shall give such to their offspring for two whole years, if the father desires to complete the term. But he shall bear the cost of their food and clothing on equitable terms. No soul shall have a burden laid on it greater than it can bear. No mother shall be Treated unfairly on account of her child. Nor father on account of his child, an heir shall be chargeable in the same way. If they both decide on weaning, by mutual consent, and after due consultation, there is no blame on them. If ye decide on a foster-mother for your offspring, there is no blame on you, provided ye pay (the mother) what ye offered, on equitable terms. But fear Allah and know that Allah sees well what ye do.

Where in this verse did you get the idea that providing for the mother and child was only if she breastfed?

Also, who said the bread winner is the man?

Sakina