Quran 4229 speaks about Samawaat, not Saba Samawaat. The problem is you are thinking Saba Samawat and Samawat are same things. Remember, I am not denying that their are Aliens in other places in the Universe. The point of contention is that Seven Heavens are not the Seven Multiverses or Seven layers of this Universe but Seven Classical Planets. And so Allah's Throne is above Samawaat, not Saba Samawaat in all Throne verses of Quran.

So if I tell you I love Ice Cream. Does it mean that I love Ice and Cream? Saba Samawat is proper noun that people are already familiar with on those days as what they mean. You didn't refute my points that I said in my reply to you. You just don't want to listen and only want to speak. That's now how truth is achieved. Check out the article I already gave you first, read it fully then we can have a debate on youtube. Okay?

Next time when you meet someone who's from Iceland, don't assume that he's living in a land of ice, but a country. Saba Samawaat should not be equated with Samawaat. Samawaat has a much larger context and Saba Samawaat are specifically only Seven Classical Planets.

Peace!

As can be seen, the Qur'an clearly presents a multiverse model. I have shown this with evidence in the following pages of this thread.

Therefore, the use of the word heaven in the English sense of paradise must cease. In Arabic, the words paradise and sky are different.

Well, that's not true. Sorry!

Read 7115 and 7116.

7115 speaks of Seven Heavens

7116 speaks of Moon and Sun within them.

What significance is Moon and Sun with Seven Heavens? Unless it is Geocentric Model with Earth in the center and Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn as Layers around it.

Don't believe me. Just tell me why is Noah talking to disbelievers about Seven Heavens in 712 to 7117 and telling them about Seven Heavens? Unless disbelievers already know what Seven Heavens are in their times.

Disbelievers would only make sense of what he's saying if Noah is speaking based on the science of his days i.e. Geocentric Model.

2317 And indeed, We created above you Seven Orbits, We are never unaware of the creation.

Verse 2317 even mentions that these seven bodies are in orbit using the Arabic word 'Taraiq' i.e. 'Orbits', 'Roads' or 'Paths'.

Check out this image https//www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3APtolemaic_system_2_%2528PSF%2529.png&psig=AOvVaw1evCpw9P7wBH1xcILR1O-B&ust=1703240130589000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCIif_YumoIMDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Have you really spent your 5 minutes, only 5 full minutes to explore my article? I challenge you to refute one point. Just one point in it. Link is below!

https//onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

I remain sincerely yours,

Salman

Thank you for you appreciation brother. I have put a lot of effort in this. You'll agree when you check out my articles, especially Solar System in Quran and Moon Landing in Quran.

I also debated Aron Ra, famous atheist. If you care to see the debate, here's the link - https//youtu.be/JyO1Z_CijeE?si=FVBYv2MGgJcuMbnW

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

Dear brother,

I have research it extensively that Seven Heavens is not Seven Universes, but Seven Classical Planets.

For the proof, please go to https//onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

I have researched this here https//onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran conclusively proving that Sama and Samawat are either Planets, Stars, Galaxies or the Universe while Jannah is Paradise or Garden.

The issue with the original post 'Heaven is not Paradise' is that it is oxymoronic. Sorry! But let me explain.

The post doesn't use the Arabic word Sama or Samawat but tries to explain the english word Heaven. Now obviously some translators have translated Jannah as Heaven and Samawat also as Heaven.

So saying 'Heaven is not Paradise' is like saying 'Iceland is not a country but a land of ice'. The post should read 'Sama and Samawat is not Paradise'. Which I agree!

I have reserached this topic extensively, check it out at https//onequran.net/post/evolution-in-quran

724-25 said descends ye of some you (pl.) to other/s enemy and for you (pl.) in the land designation and wherewithal towards period said therein living and therein thou dying and from it (f) thou brought forth being

Why are Random Mutations a Problem for Evolution? - Dr. Kevin Anderson

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD4VnmBaXNw

those believing everything comes from "nothing" and "get smart" are kafaru

26 indeed the ones kafaru/reject they of equitable upon them that warn thou them or not thou warn them not they believing

Good for you to keep your cool.

No one is believing that everything comes from nothing, its your assumption. God guided evolution. Meaning! Evolution is the law, God is the law giver. Plate Tectonics is the law. God is the law giver. Bing bang is the law. God is the law giver. Solar Nebula Coalescing is the law. God is the law giver.

It is your assumption brother.

already posted for your tiny walnut monkey brain Maryam was not "like a plant" nabātan

337 so accepted her lord hers with acceptance best wa-anbatahā nabātan

rest of verses posted do not say Adam was a monkey as you!

suggest you learn the basics starting with endings e.g., "dual"

235 and said we of O Adam settles thou and spouse your (sing.) the garden (paradise) and eat "dual" from it freely anyplace like you "dual" and not thou approach "dual" this the tree so being "dual" among the wrongdoers

236 so made slip them "dual" the devil about it so evicts them "dual" from what were "dual" in it and said we of descends ye of some you (pl.) to others enemy and for you (pl.) in the land designation and wherewithal towards period

I knew you will loose your cool! What else can you do? I can also call you a pig who doesn't understand anything, (in response to you calling me monkey), don't I have a mouth like you? But I chose not to do it because I fear God, not like you that can easily turn to true colors once refuted badly. That happens! Do you know what people called Prophet when he started to bring out the truth?

Truth is always bitter. Now you know what's actually happening to you. You are so adamant to make a point without refuting all that I said in all the posts I made to prove Evolution. All you could do is pick handful of verses I sent, mix them ludicrously and out of context and ignore all the others just to make a point.

At least you could have remained intellectually honest to yourself (if not to me) and know that evolution of cyanobacteria (first plants) around 3.2 billion years ago can't be equated with Marium bearing a child. These are two separate events in two different time periods and have totally different contexts. Note the verse I posted is saying 'from Earth like a plant', this is not Marium as Marium didn't come from Earth. The verse you posted is different context altogether as it doesn't speak about 'Earth' but what Marium bore.

Wow! What a logical way to equate two different subjects with each other that don't have any commonality and make a stupid point. Is that the most you can do? I think you might be smarter than this, but I doubt it now. I hope I am not talking to a 3 year old (calling you 5 years old is an insult to 5 year olds).

Talking to you is useless. Go prove your point to Scientific Community of hundreds of thousands of Scientists, not me. I am not going to further talk to you as you have turned into a zombie mode and so wish you can kill me right now P That shows your ignorance. You don't even have basic understanding of how to talk to people, let alone argue and make your case. We part ways, let it be to you your religion and to me my religion.

Adios!

Please don't assume that the whole of Science and the intelligence of God himself is somehow based on what happens in the teeny weeny brain of yours. It is you that has to change your point of view, not the huge mass of highly intellectuals on this Earth nor God who knows more than all of us.

I made a video to make the likes of you dumbfounded. Watch it and be mesmerized with wisdom of God - https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuq23pklsx4

Thank you!

“What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”— Mark Twain

They found ape like creatures that may have walked upright — so which were Adam et al?

https//www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-human-familys-earliest-ancestors-7372974/

https//www.livescience.com/oldest-denisovan-fossils-in-siberian-cave

The premise of evolution theory is everything came from nothing and over time got smarter.

Program or algorithm cannot replace human thought nor self-replicating, error correcting, copy, delete, inheriting, adaptive 4-bit chemical code with complete blueprints to clone itself from any of its trillions of cells that start as a microscopic speck, add water and it grows then contemplates its beginnings and the universe with billions of galaxies which all came nothing and 92 elements mixing over time e.g., rocks left alone billions of years one day “awake” asking – how it all came about?

There is adaptive code not evolving code!

Years ago a program beat a grandmaster in chess (10^120 permutations or ~2 games for each electron in the known visible universe) 1997 Deep Blue vs Garry Kasparov.

In Quantum computing or fancy IF Then Else permutations — if variables are known humans can’t compete although add a variable (new chess piece) AI becomes dumb as a rock!

Who were playing with megaliths in the earth?

https//youtube.com/shorts/2Xs2Sh8KspA?feature=share

One can actually make a case for de-evolution!

822 indeed worst the creatures near/with the God the deaf the dumb the ones not reasoning

Two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about th’universe! - Albert Einstein!

Quotes don't change reality. Why don't you go to Scientific community and tell them to change this retarded theory. Who likes it? Personally, I don't like Plate Tectonics theory as well as I'd like to believe that Earthquakes actually happen when Infinite Turtles below Earth move. Gives me peace of mind thinking at least we have strong foundation of Infinite Turtles to support Earth.

Yeah! And one more thing. Why should we believe that Earth moves around itself to produce day and night. That one also makes me dizzy. I like to stay stationary so please also tell them to all agree that Sun is moving around the Earth as it feels more natural to me.

Your feelings are worth nothing to the Scientific Community. Forget about Scientific Community. You are even denying Quran.

Just explain these verses

7117 And caused you to from Earth like a plant,

1161 Produced you from Earth (through 3.8 years of Evolution) and settled you therein.

2920 Travel the Earth and see how the creation started.

221 O Humanity, worship your Lord who created you and those before you, so that you may become mindful (of Him). (Note This verse is addressing whole of humanity past, present and future that there were those before you).

4133 If He wills, He can do away with you, O mankind, and bring others. For Allah has power to do that. (Again, whole of mankind/humanity is addressed here)

761 Has there not come upon human a period of time when he was nothing to be mentioned?

7628 We created them and strengthened their form and when we will, we can change their likeness with a change.

4133 If He wills, He can do away with you, O mankind, and bring others. For Allah has power to do that. (Again, whole of mankind is addressed)

6133 Thus your Lord is the Self-Sufficient, the Possessor of Mercy. If He wills, He can do away with you (plural) and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He initiated you from the descendants of other people.

333 Indeed, God has chosen Adam and Noah and family of Abraham and family of Imran over the Worlds.

334 Descendants some of them from others and God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (How was Adam the first human if he too had descendants?)

329 Then He perfected/proportioned him and breathed into him from His soul. (Why perfect something that's already perfect).

7114 And indeed, He created you in diverse stages.

827 Who created you, fashioned you, and perfected your design, (What's the need to say create then fashion and then perfect?)

230 So when your Lord told the angels "I am placing a successor on Earth", they said "Will You place someone there who will corrupt it and shed blood, while we hymn your praise and sanctify You?" He God said "Indeed, I know something you do not know." (Nobody has Knowledge of Unseen except God, so how did angels knew we will shed blood? Because they saw previous generations before Adam that shed blood. Scholars who say it is referring to Jinns forget that Jinns are made of smokeless fire, blood has to do with animal kingdom)

Before God we are all equally wise, and equally foolish. - Albert Einstein

If everything is evolved then who the begger is God?

Or else you are trying to say everything evolved but God let it evolve.. For evolution also there must be God behind it? Give me a break..
Let's keep for a second everything evolved... So why we need a system in this Earth while everyone has their own freedom to live on their own way regardless of good and bad.. Human must be the funniest and weakest of creature to bring God in life while animal live on their own as they evolved..

We have a life span is this evolved life... So many things happening within our world.. So everyone was evolved and no justice in Earth to everyone and with death everything is terminated... So is this the purpose of evolving..
So what is the purpose of life in the light of evolution?

So do you believe in God while God is a myth and weak people's invention... What part a God can do in evolution...? Literally nothing.. Sorry.. Everything evolved so why we need God in life? Godless life is so beautiful so we can be free from fear or punishment... Or we can be brave in this life by deceiving every weak junk person who doesn't deserve to live on this competitive world where only intelligent has a place to live with power...

Don't get angry with me.. Just hypothetical question... If you have a wife and some intelligent person raped and killed and enjoyed and went far ahead in life... What would you do if justice if this world failed to punish that person.. Why you need justice while you were weak and not able to save your wife..? So you revenging mind will fade off with time.. Or forgive him.. Or why forgive while there is no life after death.. Coz to have life after death then there must be creation... So no creation so no punishment no justice.. Or do you wait until evolve again and revenge.. Do you think practically evolution woukd suit human nature..? While we naturally built up with some of created creature?

Don't get angry, but this is the most stupid reply I have ever read in my whole life. Why do you think that evolving means there is no God? God is the one who evolves, as he's Al-Musawwair. 'The Painter', 'The Shaper' and 'The Evolver'. How does a painter paint? Gradually, slowly, one by one. Not suddenly. Why don't you understand that life is full of processes and means. Why don't you pray God and do nothing and see if you can achieve something.

Or I think you live in a world where things happen by magic all the time. So in your world zebra was discovered by someone who was driving on a highway when suddenly he saw a Zebra come out of no where and crashed with the car. Or giraffes' necks were made longer because ancient people used to massage necks of Zebras. Do you have an alternative? If evolution didn't happen then did dogs first appear in your backyard. Is that scientific knowledge you want to teach your children and keep them mentally inept?

What in your brain is stopping you to believe in hereafter if you believe we evolved. Evolution is guided by God, He is the fashioner of it. He is the one who made everything. But he used the process of evolution. What's wrong with it? Do you not understand that in growth there is wisdom of God? Don't things improve and those that don't fade out, get extinct, are forgotten or become obsolete?

Don't teach me all these things! Go write a scientific white paper and prove evolution wrong. Don't just say stuff because you have a mouth. Even I can say whatever I want without checking my words but I am different. Nothing you say can change what's true. It's what it is. Take it or leave it. We are grown men, not childish to make assumptions that don't relate to each other. Your complaints should be to an atheist who doesn't believes in God, not to someone who believes in both Evolution and God. So your whole ranting is moot.

Isn't this sign from God what he wants from us? Constantly work hard to improve and remove our shortcomings. What do you not understand about Evolution is beyond me. Equating evolution with no hereafter is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Morality is stronger in people who acquire knowledge, humility and compassion are also found more in people who are not rigid and self-righteous. Look at what your self-righteousness gave you? Countries like Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Palestine. Each day our brothers are dying and who is winning this war if we don't wake up now?

What will become of us if we don't embrace Science? You think you are to be left alone. No Sir! You will be punished for ignoring God's gifts, his knowledge, his wisdom and all the beautiful things in the world to expand your horizon than living in the sorry state you are in. Stop blaming God for your own crimes. God is not weak, it is your evolved understanding of him that made you think so and say make such horrible assumptions about God and not ready to hear another point of view, even when you can see clearly the goodness in it.

You talk about afterlife, what have you done in this life? How can you be granted a good life if in this life you have shown zero improvement, traces of knowledge, wisdom, love, compassion and tolerance. When we see signs of God, we see how beautifully he has made so much variety in the world, so many races, cultures, all from humble beginnings. That's the God I love. Not the God who's constantly telling the likes of you that 'Don't use your brain!'

Thank you!

Next!

salam - my take

salam tutti frutti... btw, i love that ice cream flavor.

there is no “evolution” .. adam was created and shaped and then the angels were commanded to prostate to adam (711, note also in this verseThe God says “created you and shaped you”)

Yeah I want to live in a dream where this is true too. Sadly I live among scientists, fossils, genes, layers of Earth, carbon dating and lots of lots of evidences that Devil put in Earth. Scientists would not be happy about you calling them fools. Research of 150 years and my brother here tutti frutti understands everything better! Yeah!

Below I will tell you how Adam and (Hawa, Eve) were in Earth and not in Heaven. Angels come to Earth too btw. That's for another day!

where is the time for evolution to happen? adam lived in janna aaaafter the prostration was ordered to the angels .. and adam came down to earth aafter that .. so when wld evolution play out if adam was already shaped by The Lord before being in jannah or descending to earth

Now I will go very deep but make sure you are ready for it. Take a cup of coffee, relax and then think along with me. Garden of Eden/Jannah could be on Earth! Wait! I am not alone in saying this. There are 100s of misguided and foolish interpreters who said this. Just as I am misguided and you are fully guided, let me ask you this question Sir.

How did Adam's white blood cells fought with viruses and bacteria of this Earth when he reached on Earth? Thank God He didn't come during corona virus outbreak! Our white blood cells have learned immunity from viruses and bacteria with millions of years how to fight mechanisms. But forget it! Let's say Adam did in fact came on spaceship (assuming it was good enough to protect from Sun's UV light and lack of oxygen), just for the sake of argument. What did his gut do in heaven when he didn't go to bathroom or what did his reproductive system do in heaven in which he didn't need to have babies. Please answer this.

Also note that your understanding of Quran verses could be wrong, not Quran's word but your own understanding. Maybe you are thinking differently or maybe majority of people are thinking differently as God said most people in the world are misguided, so it's not very astonishing that this could be the case. If you think there a possibility that something else can be true then you can read further otherwise I advise you to close this reply and don't read further.

Many interpreters have said that Adam couldn't be in the Heaven before coming to Earth, as it is generally believed. They have their logic. They say that regarding Heaven God has said that there is no eye that has seen it nor a thought that has imagined Heaven ever! And that includes Adam! So yes! They have a point here Sir!

Furthermore, Adam as eating from the tree of knowledge of evil and good, before it he was in the state of felicity. Do you know what is a state of felicity? It is so amazing that we don't know right from wrong, evil from good, up or down, top or bottom, left or right, we are completely in extasy (something that you can achieve by drinking 20 glasses of vodka with sprite, kidding lolz, pardon me, i want things to be fun as well without being an intellectual wizard)

But when they did what they were told not to do, i.e. eat from the tree, they started covering themselves, they recognized right from wrong, evil from good. So even while on Earth, after having this distinction of good and evil they also made another distinction when God told them, 'Get ye down all of you' mean that they realized they are no longer in heavenly state of felicity but on Earth which is different from Heaven. Notice! When there is no good and evil, everything is good. Remember when Shakespeare said, 'Nothing is good and nothing is bad, what we think is true'. It's that sort of stuff.

The great thing to know here is that Adam was around 5750 years ago according to bible's account and the oldest scripture/written text is around 5500 years in Mesopotamia. Could it be that when Adam was taught all potential names and angels said we know only what you told us God, God wanted to show how now his work on guidance, books, writing, will continue with other Prophets after Adam? As writing started at times of Adam. We have no written manuscripts before Sumerians in Mesopotamia 5500 years ago who were even older than Egyptian writings which were 5200 years ago. Doesn't that prove that Adam is special type of Homo Sapiens who developed knowledge and started writing/reading/guidance chapter in our linage.

Spoken Language is very old. 70,000 years ago we have evidence of larynx or voice box, but writing is only recent i.e. only 5,500 years old i.e. the same time period as that of Adam. The whole story of Adam and Eve actually took place on Earth. 41 Hawa was 'nafsin wahida' (feminine) who gave birth to 'zojaha' (masculine) Adam, who after becoming mature also became husband of Hawa. Hawa was both wife and mother of Adam. Even to hide Hawa's 'aura' God gave her 'hijab' by not mentioning her name in 'nafsin wahida' (feminine). Quran is total 180 degrees from Hadith story of Eve coming from Adam's rib. If it were Adam, God should have used the name of Adam just as he did in all other places except for 41 and 7189 where 'nafsin wahida' is used.

God has also said in one verse that the comparison of creation of Adam is like that of Jesus. This is true only if both Jesus and Adam had a mom. Otherwise how is their creation similar to each other? Were Eve and Mary both Hermaphrodite? Who gave birth to their son? Who didn't need a father? I will prove it without doubt all this in a different post. But i am tired. Listen! Believe what you want to believe and let me believe what I want to believe. This is the Islamic way! Peace!

Here i stop! Phew!

plus those whom scientists claim to be human/monkey ancestors were sabath breakers turned into abject/wierd monkeys (7166 & 265)

There is a thing in Quran called allegories... have you heard about it before? Let me tell you! God says in Quran in one verse 'The sky will fall down' but we know that sky can't fall down. Sky is not a tent or canopy that can fall down on us. He could have said planets or meteors will fall down, which he did also in some verses. But why did he say 'The sky will fall down'? The blue we see up on top is atmosphere of Earth that has ozone layer too. It's not solid foundation that can fall down.

Similarly, for Jews God says we made them Apes and Monkeys. It's allegory. There is no historical evidence of humans turning to monkeys and apes physically. Apes and Monkeys are allegories for Mischievous and Retarded! That's what we call people in our day to day language too. Are you an ass? And they understand them as being called stupid!

Who's denying that God did it? Who created Earth > God! How was it created? Solar Nebula got coalesced and formed planets and our Sun. Who created Universe > God! How was it created? Big Bang. Who created us, Humans > God! How were we created? Evolution. I don't understand how mention of creator means we have to invoke magic and let go of all known natural processes in life? Didn't God say 'Use means to reach to God' in Quran? Even we have to use means to get something. Trying praying whole day for God to bring you a million dollars and see what happens. Your prayer is only answered if you also acquire a means (job, business). Sunnat Allah is also like that. It finds means to do things. It only intervenes with miracles when there is a need out of the ordinary.

Thank you!

too many topics in this post, not like a plant

spring up, sprouts as in proverb "who works blossoms"

337 wa-anbatahā nabātan
1161 Salih's people did not evolve, use context

still around not evolved https//ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/cyanointro.html

Cyanobacteria are aquatic and photosynthetic, that is, they live in the water, and can manufacture their own food. Because they are bacteria, they are quite small and usually unicellular, though they often grow in colonies large enough to see. They have the distinction of being the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old, in fact! It may surprise you then to know that the cyanobacteria are still around; they are one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria on earth.

6151 and not thou slay ye of l-nafsa/the self (?)

the female was first

41 the one creation you from soul single (f) and creation from her (f) spouse hers (f)
and disperse from them "dual" rijalan/menfolk of much of wanisaan/and womenfolk

rijalan wanisaan can translate to males and females

4176 and if be they of siblings rijalan/menfolk of wanisaan/and womenfolk (3+)
falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion l-unthayayni/the females two

spring up, sprouts as in proverb "who works blossoms"

Thank you! That helps dear!

1161 Salih's people did not evolve, use context

Lolz... Salih's people did not evolve my love. But that doesn't mean they can't be told a story of how Earth is responsible for their birth/evolution i.e. evolution of all Humans. Like for example, if I will tell you that you evolved from Earth as a species! Does that also mean that I am talking directly to you or people of 21st century who just came out of Earth yesterday?

This same type of Analogy is used by Noah when he was preaching to his disbelieving people in 7114 where he said 'God created you in stages'... Every Prophet teaches disbelieving people about signs of God, it doesn't mean that he is talking about their time period or 24 hours before (lolz...)

Cynobacteria! Hah! Wow! That's my subject! You're in my court Sir! I am not a Biochemist for no reason. Yeah! I have a profession. Read more books than you on the subject. Believe me.

Why do Cynobacteria still exist today. Do you know why? Because Evolution doesn't say that all creatures always evolve. You are missing the whole point. Have you ever read a book on Evolution? You're not smarter than all the Scientists and Ph. Ds. or maybe you are in your own home... maybe...

Cynobacterias were formed 3.2 to 3.5 billion years before, after Earth cooled down, it is their oxygen that we are still breathing today. They are the successful ones. Why would a successful species evolve? To what advantage will it do it? I think you didn't even read my last post in which I made this clear that Evolution doesn't work according to your science... It works on what God planned it to be...

This is what I typed in my previous post

"Evolution doesn't say that all species will eventually always Evolve whether there is a need for them to or not, they only Evolve when there is need, like we did, 80 million years ago as primates and then 1.5 million years being Upright Man, 750,000 years ago as Stone Tool Makers and 200,000 years ago as Homo Sapiens as we are today."

Evolution only happens when there is a need, a change in environment, climate, preferences, food chain challenges, drastic weather changes, mutations, cross breading among species etc. There are so many factors.

I can laugh at our special Muslim Science whole day. Look at how deep down in the abyss we are right now compared to Muslims of Golden Age when this type of conversation was a norm. BTW, don't get me wrong! I enjoy a lot as you are all my brothers. But understand that we lack understanding. To say we have something so cool under our sleeves and that all Scientists are donkeys is firing at our own feet.

the female was first

rijalan wanisaan can translate to males and females

Love you for this... So sweet my dear brother! Love you. I really wanted to know this. Are you arabic speaker?

Thank you for your reply and using kind words. However, please note that Evolution is not a pipe dream of someone who had his dinner too late. It's a 150 year old theory with mountains of evidences in paleontology, genetics, biology, carbon dating, molecular biology, anatomy, geology and so many more disciplines of science. Imagine what would be the response of someone hearing that Evolution is not a reality who is doing researching on fighting new variants of corona virus. He'll not forgive us for saying anything against Evolution. Seeing nature doesn't prove anything. It is something for one person and totally different thing for another person.

It's not about taking sides, it's about seeing what is presented. Let's say Evolution is all bogus, I'm not a fan either. I want nothing to do with it too. But what I like is not necessarily truth. Truth is not what feels good. That's why it's called Truth is bitter. Truth is what is known universally through rigorous experiments, seeing fossil records and evidences in our gene records. Scientists are not fools who say certain things are the way they are, they have substantial science behind their claims. 150 years? 150 years and no counter to the basic structure of the theory? Even theory of plate tectonics is recent when compared. I can't believe that thousands of Scientists are just watching things go wrong and don't do a thing about it (they can easily refute whole of evolutionary model by writing a Scientific white paper.)

I can't believe in a God who gave me brain and then said don't use it. Neither I believe in a God who confuses people nor I believe in a God who had magnifying glass over ants like us and enjoying seeing us die. My God is rather one that has provided me with both Science and Scripture. I want both dunia and akhirah. My God is loving and provider of answers for struggler, not one who says just shut up. Whatever view of God we make for ourselves is true and our whole life and understanding of it is what makes our view of God. This is not about rejecting religion. Islam is not against Evolution. It's humans/mullahs/priests/theologians in between who play God and turn his words the way they want and confuse the masses like you and me.

It is high time for you and me to roll our sleeves and dig deep into the matter and see for ourselves what truth is. Quran says that most people in the world are misguided, why then would I fear people more than I fear God? If we are to just believe whatever people say, then stop telling Hindus, Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Jains, Zoroaster that they are misguided as you and me, we both might as well be. Quran shouldn't shy away from toughest scrutiny of Science, History and Logic. God's action (Science) cannot contradict God's words (Scripture). They should be in harmony. It is your and my understanding of verses that need to change, not God's words. You can at least start by listening to both sides of the argument if accepting Evolution is such a painstaking thing for your belief. Let your belief solidify more by learning more. Let truth be like peeling of onion, where eventually your truth will lead you to more firm belief than just stop somewhere you can't make sense of things and say 'Okay, enough I ain't gonna look further'

Who's denying that God did it? Who created Earth > God! How was it created? Solar Nebula got coalesced and formed planets and our Sun. Who created Universe > God! How was it created? Big Bang. Who created us, Humans > God! How were we created? Evolution. I don't understand how mention of creator means we have to invoke magic and let go of all known natural processes in life? Didn't God say 'Use means to reach to God' in Quran? Even we have to use means to get something. Trying praying whole day for God to bring you a million dollars and see what happens. Your prayer is only answered if you also acquire a means (job, business).

Science doesn't work however you like. Killing all humans will not definitely land us a baby. Baby is biological and for it to be produced, a biological system must be in place for it to be born. That's why we humans make babies, not rocks and stones. Go read a book on Evolution, topic you hate so much to realize that it's simply not all that dark, gloomy and disbelieving to understand it. It won't land you to disbelieve. Your chicken and egg problem is also solved only through evolution because according to it your hen egg was first produced by a older generated of hen. We are part of the same gene pool. We have all evolved.

Look at the symmetry in your eyes, nostrils, ears, why do you have same symmetry as animals? And check out your bones in wrist (they are two ulna and radius), why do the chimps, bats, ants, whales have same two bones in their wrists/fins? What did your white blood cells do in Heaven? Do we have bacteria and viruses in Heaven too? What purpose did your gut had in Heaven where you didn't need to defecate or go to bathroom? Or your penis which had nothing to do in Heaven when you didn't need kids. All bodily functions are Earthly. Because they can function only for Earthly needs.

BTW, what was this physical body of yours doing in Heaven? Shouldn't you be having yellow colored blood or bones made of steel or 3 eyes if you are different/unique creation separate from animal kingdom?

Thank you!

Peace, again age has nothing to do with creation time.

It’s very simple concept since the universe was there 3 billion years ago
Likewise, the earth was there 3 billion years ago and planets, stars, etc

What’s so hard to understand that if you’re 42 years old and have a 14 year old car doesn’t mean it took 42 years to create you or 14 years to create your car?

Likewise, you use feminine words like sky/skies to reference masculine terms like moon and planets

You really should take down that video the missionaries will take you apart

Peace and all the best

Let me respectfully say to you. The Age of something implies the time it took to create it. Let me give you an example and analogy, which you use a lot to explain this.

Let's say you created a painting. It took you 5 days to make it. Once you finished making it in 5 days, you say to your son, 'I made this painting in 5 days'. Your son was 10 years old when you told him this. When you son become 15 years old, he told his sister that father made this painting in 5 days. He wouldn't say our father made this painting in 5 years and 5 days.

Got it?

You're confused! If God said 1400 years ago, I created Earth in 2 periods, He's speaking of how much time it took to ceate Earth at the time of revelation. Now if after a billion years humans think of God's 2 periods for Earth creation, they wouldn't say that God created the Earth in 2 periods +1 billion years, they would say that a billion years ago, God created the Earth in 2 periods.

What I don't understand is that if you know that Quran 419 says clearly that Earth is created in 2 periods and the seven heavens is created in 2 periods as well. Do you think God would create a tiny little speck like Earth in 2 periods and would take the same time of 2 periods to create seven multiverses or seven layers of Universe which are far more bigger than Earth? Does your view rationalize at all? Don't reply, just ask yourself these questions.

Your analogies are all wrong. If I am 42 years old and I create a car in 14 years, that is not to say that my age and car's age have anything in common. Where is Quran saying that God's age is Nauzubillah 12 periods and then the Universe's age is 6 periods? Why are you not understanding things? Or all this is beyond your mental capacity. Sorry for being rude but you left me no option; you're not making any sense.

Okay let's assume I am all wrong. Which is what you love to prove. Right? Now give me the explanation of what is the meaning of 2 periods, 4 priods or 6 periods in Quran and if it doesn't mean anything useful for us, why would God give this knowledge to us? Does God gives us information that doesn't mean anything? What is knowledge except for truth? What purpose is knowledge if that doesn't guide or help you to know anything. You're putting God in a very unreasonable light.

Bring all the skeptics and apologists you're so darn sure will refute me to debate with me if you're so sure. You can just say stuff without refuting yourself. Everyone has mouth, everyone can say stuff. You didn't prove me wrong or anything. All you're doing is extending this conversation without using any logical argument but given false analogies. Just because you don't want to accept something.

In Islam we're told to accept our mistakes even when it is against our own selves. Farther from accepting mistakes, you're adamant to prove me wrong even when you can look clearly that I am backing everything up with Science as well as Quran's own verses.

7115 talks about seven heavens then 716 talks about Sun and Moon. Why can't you answer this? Why is God referring to Sun and Moon in the following verse? Why? Why? Why? What significance do the Seven Heavens have with Sun and Moon. Especially the Moon. Is Moon a star? Or are Sun and Moon so above that they are in the second or seventh heaven? I mean why? Why God says 'He created amidst them Sun and Moon'. This is only logical to say that God is saying that seven celestial bodies of classical antiquity include Sun and Moon which I already proved to you exists in the antiquity.

1400 years ago, people used to say that seven wanders (that's what Greeks called them) are Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. They are the only Solar System bodies that can be seen by naked eyes, even today. Only planets that we can't see by naked eyes are Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. For them you need telescope. When God spoke to Bedouins of 1400, he was referring to them according to what they already knew about these bodies. Furthermore, in history, there are many tafseers and exegesis that explain these seven heavens to be seven bodies of solar system that I talk about. Are they also wrong and only you are correct?

What use is for me to continue to talk to you? Tell me? You're not refuting me. All you're doing is trying to yank the chains of previous intrepreters who didn't know about Science as much as we know in this time period. What I would say is that you continue to believe what you believe and let me believe what I want to believe. Bye!

peace!

which part is wrong, quote me? provide timeline what was created when?

754 103 117 574
خلق creation السموت the skies والارض and the land فى in سته six اىام days (eras)

72559 324 5038 خلقنا creation السموت the skies والارض and the land
وما and what بىنهما between them dual فى in سته six اىام days

419 خلق creation الارض the land فى in ىومىن days two
4110 اقوتها sustenance its فى in اربعه group of four اىام days
4112 فقضهن so accomplish them سبع seven سموت skies فى in ىومىن days two

Question was the universe in existence 1, 2, 3, …, 13 billion years ago?
Dr. Lincoln Fermilab (miss visiting recommend bison nearby restaurant)

https//miro.medium.com/max/640/1*XQgr4SBto0-xRu1D9ZaVQA.jpeg
What really happened at the Big Bang?
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdvSJyHvUU

Question what does its "age" have to do with how long it took to create?

e.g., builder made the houses and the garage فى fi/in 6 days 14 years ago
i.e., فى fi/in/within <= less than/equal (the work began sometime in 200

moreover, builder made the garage within 2 days
also, builder supplied the garage within 4 days
so he completed them seven houses within 2 days

Question how many days did the builder take to build houses and garage?

Okay here's the timeline (Note 'Ayam' = 'Days, Periods, Time Periods&#039

Age of Universe 13.8 billion years = 6 periods
Age of Earth 4.54 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Sun 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Moon 4.53 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Mercury 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Venus 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Mars 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Jupiter 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
Age of Saturn 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
(Google the above if you're in doubt)

Time for Earth's blessings = 9 billion years = 4.5 x 2 (2 periods till it's creation + 2 periods till Sun dies)
When will Sun die = 5 billion years (4.5 billion years Sun will become red giant and all life on Earth will perish)

Read these 5038, 419 to 4112 and 6512 again

... Created Heaven and Earth and whatever is in them in 6 periods... (503
...He who created the earth in two days... (419)
... sustenance in four days... (4110)
... when it was all like smoke (4111) (Solar Nebula was like cloud that formed Sun, Moon, Earth and other planets)
... completed them as seven heavens within two days (4112) (All bodies of our Solar System were formed in 2 periods, just like Earth)
... Who created seven heavens, and their like of earth (6512) (Earth is a Planet as well like other Planets)

My video shows these events in great detail https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuq23pklsx4

Age of these bodies of Solar System is proof that they match with Quran's time periods because we already calculated that Universe to Earth ratio of 2/6 is same ratio as said by Quran which 4.54 / 13.8 = 2 / 6 and after that we know science age of these bodies in Quran match with Science.

What you have to offer? I am offering marriage of Science and Religion. What does it serve? Well, it serves to show and proof's Quran's validity, to make us more believing people, more scientific and reply to anti-Muslims. That's like killing 3 birds with a single stone. What are you doing? Refuting me. Shouldn't you be a voice of reason and hope for Muslims to adopt Science and Religion. Is our religion a superstitious religion like Hinduism and Christianity where we believe things without reason? I don't think the later view is good for either Muslims or for Science.

You are fighting with me because you have for many years believed that these seven heavens are something so far beyond that we can't see them. But what you're forgetting is that God has used the word 'Samawaat' for those beyond objects like stars and galaxies or bodies farther. But when it says 'Saba Samawaat' it is referring to Celestial Bodies of Classical Antiquity.

What was the reason for God to speak about 2 periods or 4 periods or 6 periods about something if they are useless for us to know or can never be known. What you're forgetting is that Science, no matter how little it has advanced, has started to give evidences of the divine nature of Quran. When Quran was revealed 1400 years ago, which is negligible to billions of years, at the revelation of Quran, these time periods match with the account of Science.

Peace.

Peace Salman.
Thank you.
Let me give you some details of my journey since 2010 to clarify for you where I am and the tasks I am doing now .
I am still in my study period of Qoran. I am at the moment in a project with few others comparing and analysing our understanding which started few years after my own study of Qoran.
I basically started on my own before that and wrestled with GOD and His words for more than six years . I felt Qoran was challenging me to bring all the knowledge I have plus any other knowledge available out there to check it out.
Then I realised through this period that GOD and Qoran go together. I cannot understand one without the other.

I had to start again ,this time looking at the Arabic origin and roots and try to get closer to the meaning of these.

Now I am working on a project with some friends that live in Europe, North Africa, and America. We are meeting every now and then in various places and comparing our understanding from the start to the end of Qoran. Still on study mode . All of us are only carrying on our study together . This project may take some time. We have no idea how long since we need to go over our work until we finish or when GOD wills.

I am not ready to translate for others what I still lack knowledge about.

I feel I cannot do justice to any other task and must stay with this one along with my other life duties for now. I hope to move on to other projects if this one finishes .
So I apologise if I refuse other tasks for now .
Also for me, Qoran is an open book to all the generations. It has many understandings that are not contradictory along with some consistent and clear verses.
Every individual needs to take the task of studying by themselves first ,then GOD guides the process with His message along the time and place of each generation.
Qoran talks in general to all of us individually ,in communities and worldwide. GOD teaches and explains to seekers anywhere . Although it is an Arabic book, any sincere seeker will get GOD guidance if they seek it and connect to the creator.

How long the process takes is up to GOD Alone according to HIS knowledge alone.

However I support and encourage every good work going on in our world to help humanity with a healthy and peaceful existence and to keep our connections with each other healthy and amicable and strengthen our connection with our Creator.
May the Lord bless you and help you.
Peace.
i.e I need to keep trust in GOD and trust GOD. I need to learn more at the moment, GOD willing..

OK, you're welcome to help if you want in future.

Thanks for your answers..
Yes any project done with good intentions to seek the truth using a scientific method and our GOD given faculties to analyse and compare findings is worth pursuing..
A clean start must be done with an open mind. If any project is approached by closed minds ,division and failure will be the outcome.

Best of luck to those who seek to do jobs for the sake of GOD and to pass on the message of peace and success for the benefit to all their fellow humans.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Let's then have a conversation going. You are very motivating person. I like this in you a lot. Maybe all I need is motivation from you. Let's have a skype call. Add me on Skype, my id is salman.newsoftwares You can give me some advises too. We'll go open minded on the topic. We'll give people respect along the way in our journey. I really need motivation and some information on how we can find supportive people. BTW, do you have contact of the team behind free-minds.org?

Salam
Remember God's statement is never ridiculous... Just read carefully what I wrote.
Your example of phrases are meaningless with the verses of God... Your phrases are fine.. I know but not comparable with verse of God...
So funny.. You don't get it or you are stuck somewhere...
You have given phrases of Possession and preference...
I love my all teachers and English teacher... Possession. President calling your country and someone's city is possession. You liking all burgers and a specific burger is preference. These examples has nothing to do with " He is the God of samawathi and Ard... No possession no preference..
He is the who called Sama and Ard and they both came willingly... Just reflect...
Even if anyone says I love my parents and my mother. No harm it has meaning. Preference is obvious to mother over father... In God's statement no possession no preference...
Don't rush to answer. Just ponder.

If God's statement is like this " He is the God of Samawathi and its Earth(Ard) then We can think differently... Yes earth is inside samawathi... But no God didn't say so.

OK I admit that I am wrong about translating this verse. Can you give me a correction translation? Remember, I am not arabic expert. I am a Science expert though. And this topic is about the video I posted and facts in it. I appreciate if you can speak on that subject. I would also appreciate your correct translation for the verse in question though.