Afaik, every pure guidance from God was destroyed by the Persian Sassanid Zoroastrian corrupt priests be it among the Sanatan Dharma, Buddhism, Jewish, Christianity or Islam. The Zoroastrian had this belief that besides themselves none other was a monotheistic believer and they were the only chosen ones by God. Thus the Quran rejects this doctrine and tells actions of all the religious people will be accepted in the sight of God as long as the Good deeds are done, they believe in one god and in the hereafter.

To Shah Khan, from the name i hope you understand the language,

Worth listening.

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6JLUdIYzE8

Regards

Even in this video, Allamah Ghulam Ahmad Parvez (may God be pleased with him) says Deen means a political or Social system and mazhab means a religion. Islam is not a religion (mazhab), Islam is a System (Deen).

In another video he explains more

1. Religion focus on individual success but a Social system focus on collective success.
2. Religion focus on rituals and worship but a Social system focus on the system in which everyone can live happily.
3. In deen (social system) ritual itself is not the focus but the focus is the outcome from the ritual that will build the society.

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May God Shower his peace, mercy and blessings upon you all.

Can any Arabic speaker define the words Deen and Madhab?

Nowadays Muslims use the word Deen for religion and Madhab for a school of thought and I have been told by an Arabic speaker that this translation of Deen as a religion in modern term, is wrong.

I have been told by an Arabic speaker that Deen does not mean Religion, but instead it means a System (maybe more like politico-socio-sconomic system) and Madhab means Religion.

Because there are 2 verses in the Quran.

Quranic verse 262

"Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve."

Translation of Pickthall

Quranic verse 385

"And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter."

Translation of Pickthall

At first we can read in the Quranic verse 262 God is telling us that anyone who believes in God, in the hereafter and along with that they do righteous deeds, they will have no suffering on the day of judgement.

but then again in the other Quranic verse 385, God tells us that No Deen will be accepted by God, except the submission to God (Islam)

Traditionalist Hadith and Fiqh follower Muslims say that 'as long as someone has not heard the message of Quran and they believe in god and the last day and do righteous deeds, they will not be suffered on the judgement day.

But as they hear about the message of Islam, No matter they believe in One God, believe in the Last day, do righteous day, all that will be in vain If they do not pronounce Shahadah'

Now to me, this doesn't fit in my mind because one can be a Monotheist Christian, Jew or a Zoroastrian or a Monotheist Hindu (yes there are Monotheist Hindu), believing in the Last day and do righteous deeds
while one can be a traditionalist hadith and fiqh follower Muslim and do actions that are against God's Laws (killing, adultery, etc etc) and also theres no mention of Shadah in the Quran.

What I understand by the verses is that

Islam (Submission) is a Deen (System); and

no matter what someone's Madhab (Religion/school of thought) is,

as long as they Submit to God and God's word's (Quran) they will be rewarded on the day of judgement, irrespective of their religion.

From Historical records, what I've understand is that Islam (Submission to God) was more of a Social and Political movement involving Pre-Islamic Arab monotheists, Monotheist, Christians and Monotheist Jews during Muhammad's time against the Paganism and Jahiliyyah of Arabiyah and against the Clerics of Christians and Jews before it turned into a religion by the traditionalist Muslims.

May God reward all of you with Goodness.

السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ
(May God Shower his peace, mercy, and blessings upon you all)

New member here. Hope we can learn more about God's words إإن شاء الله (Only if God wills).