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good logic
peace

Brother you have criticized on three particular answers that will be questioned to every dead when he will be buried in the grave. And you are doubtful about them and perhaps you made joke to this unanimous belief of the Muslims Ummah.
It seems that you also live in the world of dream and you are happy in your “fantasy paradise,”

If it is so, then you should come out of this and face the challenges of the reality relating to your existence, though it is bitter but you have no choice without it.

Brother, existence of man is a reality when he was nothing to mention and after that, death is so powerful reality that no one can deny it although he can deny anything else. muscle
God have mercy on you
peace

Reply to Wakas… (2)

“Some think that a person must be a Muslim to enter paradise/heaven, and if not, they will go to Hell once they die”

According to the per-mentioned verses in the first part of this article, it is clearly proved that, the liked and chosen religion for mankind in order to worship Allah Almighty, is only Islam.

Now the question is whether Jews, Christians and Sabians will be entered Paradise also?

So, according to the holy Qur’an, the Jews and the Christians made distortions in the Torah and Gospels
The Qur'an explains those ugly distortions by the Jewish and the Christian religious functionaries of divine scriptures this way

“O you who believe! Many among the rabbis and monks do indeed consume the wealth of people in legally invalid, wrongful ways (such as changing the Book's commandments in return for worldly benefit, bribery, and using religion as a means of worldly gain) and bar them from God's way.” (At-Taubah, 934).

The holy Qur’an reveals, “If only the People of the Scripture would believe and ward off (evil), surely We should remit their sins from them and surely We should bring them into Gardens of Delight. If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but many of them are of evil conduct”. (Al-Maidah, 966)

According to the” Questions of Islam”, “Studies carried out have shown that the first five books of The Old Testament are not the original Torah. A copy or chapter of the original Torah is not present anywhere. The Torah itself proves that claim, too. The Torah we have today informs us that close to his death,

Prophet Moses put the Torah in a trunk and entrusted it to Joshua and that when the emperor of Babel, Buhtu'n-Nasr, destroyed Jerusalem, the Torah in the trunk was also burnt up. We learn directly from the verses in the Gospel that, about 250 years after that conquest and destruction, Ezra collected the Torah again with the help of religious scholars and rabbis and with divine inspiration. Apart from those events, various others caused the Scripture to be extensively distorted and lost.”

https//questionsonislam.com/

As a result of the conquests of Alexander the Great, the Greek translated the Torah into Greek together with other cultural works. Eventually, the Jews, who were affected by the Greek culture, began to use the Greek translation of the Torah instead of its Hebrew text. In this respect,

it is difficult to say that today's Torah, which is passed on to us from Greek translations, is the Torah revealed to Prophet Moses. Nevertheless, it should not be concluded that the Torah underwent complete distortion. It is possible to understand from its truthful passages which do not contradict the Qur'an that the Torah was not wholly distorted.”

For more detail please visit this link,

https//questionsonislam.com/question/what-does-distortion-mean-could-you-please-explain-how-torah-and-gospel-were-distorted

The holy Qur’an makes mention,” They surely disbelieve who say Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. ﴾ Al-Maidah 73﴿

Also, “They indeed have disbelieved who say Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He creates what He will. And Allah is Able to do all things. ﴾ Al-Maidah 17﴿

There verse reveal that not only the Christians made distortion in the Gospels, but also they become disbeliever (Mushrik) by adoption the belief ’Trinity’ it means, Trinity, in Christian doctrine, the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of the central Christian affirmations about God.

The holy Qur’an makes mention,” Lo! Allah forgives not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgives (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribes partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin. ﴾An-Nisa 48﴿
So, it is the unanimous of the Muslim Ummah that those who made distortion in the holy Scriptures and committed shirk (ascribing partners to Allah Almighty), will never be entered in Paradise.

Now the question is Why does a man will be entered the Hell-fire if he is not a Muslim?
The holy Qur’an makes mention,” And whoso sleeks as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.” ﴾ Al-Imran 385﴿

This verse is a clear proof that, the man who is not a Muslim or belongs to other religion than Islam, will be the loser at that Day, and there are only two places there Paradise of Hell-fire. So, he will inevitably be entered into the Hell. (The End)

Reply to Wakas… (1)

Background Some think that a person must be a Muslim to enter paradise/heaven, and if not, they will go to Hell once they die.

The Quran repeatedly states the criteria for success as monotheism, recognition of accountability and being righteous

Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Nazarenes*, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor shall they grieve.

Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes*; whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.
*commonly translated as "Christians" but more likely refers to the followers of Jesus of Nazareth, hence Nazarenes.

The Quran also states that there are some of "the people of the book" (i.e. followers of previous revelations) that are righteous and will be rewarded

And if the followers of the Book had believed and guarded (against evil) We would certainly have covered their sins and We would certainly have made them enter gardens of bliss.

And if they had observed the taurat* and the injeel* and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from above and beneath them, there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do.

*commonly translated as Torah and Gospels respectively.

“Some think that a person must be a Muslim to enter paradise/heaven, and if not, they will go to Hell once they die.”

Peace!
Respected Wakas,
You gave a detailed commentary to my article by above caption and
you mentioned a Qur’anic verse along with it, it means that, “Islam is not necessary to go to Paradise but if some people are Jews, and the Nazarenes*, (commonly translated as "Christians&quot and the Sabians, they also will be entered Paradise.”
So, here are three questions as -
(1) Why does a man will be entered the Hell-fire if he is not a Muslim?
(2) Whether Jews, Christians and Sabians will be entered Paradise also?
(3) Whether the liked and chosen religion for mankind in order to worship Allah Almighty, is only Islam or there are other religions also along with it?

So, the holy Qur’an makes mention,
Al-Imran 319” Lo! religion with Allah (is) the Surrender (to His Will and Guidance). Those who (formerly) received the Scripture differed only after knowledge came unto them, through transgression among themselves. Whoso disbelieves the revelations of Allah (will find that) lo! Allah is swift at reckoning.”

Ar-Rum (The Romans) 3030 “So set thy purpose (O Muhammad) for religion as a man by nature upright - the nature (framed) of Allah, in which He hath created man. There is no altering (the laws of) Allah's creation. That is the right religion, but most men know not.”

Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 53” This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam.”

Al-Imran 367” Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters.”

All these verse are the clear proof that the liked and chosen religion of Allah Almighty is only one i.e. Islam (the Surrender (to His Will and Guidance), and from the holy Prophet Adam PBUH to the last holy Prophet Mohammad PBUH, there was only one deen and that is Islam.

Not any Rational and Deductive Argument can prove that there are some other religions were also revealed from Allah Almighty in order to worship Him except Islam under this verse,

Az-Zariyat 5156” I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me. I seek no livelihood from them, nor do I ask that they should feed Me.”

The holy Prophets Moses and Jesus (May peace and mercy of Allah be upon them) invited their people to the religion of Islam, and not to any other particular religion i.e. Judaism or Christianity.

Because the religion of Islam has three fundamental beliefs i.e.’ tauheed’ (Oneness of God),’ Risalat’ (Prophethood) and ‘Akhrat’ (the Last Day i.e.The Day of Resurrection), and these are common in the invitation of every Rasool and Nabi (Peace be upon them), including in the Tawrat, the Zabur (Psalms) revealed to Dawud (David) and the Injeel (the Gospel) revealed to Isa (Jesus).

However, the Jurisprudential orders were different in them according to the requirements of the time, this is the clear proof that all the holy Messengers PBUT invited their people to the religion of Islam.

Best Regards

(To be continued)

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good logic rotfl rotfl rotfl

I am saying to you that we should value GOD s words above anyone else including the prophet..
GOD in His own words tells us that he did not leave anything out of His book/Qoran. What the prophet said and what anyone else says ,if it agrees with GOD s message means it has already been said by GOD in Qoran..
In other words the prophet will only say what agrees with Qoran, otherwise he will not be GOD s messenger.

Peace

Brother,

The holy Qur’an makes mentioned,” O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end. Hast thou not seen those who pretend that they believe in that which is revealed unto thee and that which was revealed before thee, how they would go for judgment (in their disputes) to false deities when they have been ordered to abjure them? Satan would mislead them far astray.” ( An-Nisa (The Women) 459)

Please tell me that how can you obey the messenger PBUH along with the obedience of Allah?
And how can you implement on this order of Allah,” and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day?

Clear it by giving examples in practical life and not by theory?

You wrote that,” GOD in His own words tells us that he did not leave anything out of His book/Qoran.”
So, fulfill this Allah’s commands according to the holy Qur’an without a hadith and reply by point to point and not by general expression. I challenge you that you can never reply these at all, except by your own thoughts and point of view -

The holy Qur’an makes mention,” Establish worship, pay the poor-due, and bow your heads with those who bow (in worship)”. (Al-Baqara) 243).
So -
(1) What is the correct method to perform an obligatory Salat?
(2) How many units (raka’t) should be offered in Salat Zuhar, Asar or in other Salats?
(3) How many are the obligations (fraiz) of Salat?
(4) How many are the wajibat of Salat?
(5) By which action the Salat goes invalid?
(6) If a man commits a mistake in Slat, how can he reform it by ‘sajda sahwah’?

(7) what is the fixed amount of Zakat from earning?
( Who should pay Zakat (poor-due) and who are deserving to receive it?
(9) How can a believer observer fasts of Ramadan and what are its terms and conditions according the holy Quran?
(10) And how do you establish you own Salat according the holy Quran, give an example?
(11) And if you offer funeral prayer on your dead, then what is its method apparat from hadith?

And whether it is right what I have written in my previous comment that-
“However, if you see that the hadith mentioned in this article is fabricated, false or unacceptable,
Then tell me that anyone should act upon this hadith or not?

(1) It means that he/she should accept Islam or not because hadith is fabricated and is not an authentic saying of the holy Prophet PBUH?
(2) And he does not want to save from hell-fire and to enter Paradise because hadith is false?
(3) Also he should not have love, affection or sympathy for others, but have hatred, enmity and grudge instead, because this hadith is unreliable?
(4) He should not make good relationship to others by greeting to them, because hadith is totally fabricated?
Brother, Islam is a religion of nature, it just wants whatever it has been mentioned in this hadith. Do you reject all these by saying that “this hadith is invented by men and the holy Prophet PBUH did not say to us anything about this”?

And I say again that you should not reply as “something is better than nothing” but to the point and clear-cut arguments only,
Thanks.

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good logic welcome

So many people heard him say lots of things and reported them to us , how do we confirm this ? Did he ask them to report everything he said to us?

Would nt you think that if he wanted to pass on his own message to us, he would leave for us Qoran and his sayings to be passed on directly in another book without others reporting them to us after his death?

Peace
Respected Brother!

I read your comment on my article and what you said about the hadith of the holy Prophet PBUH.
For your kind information, I want to say something, it is right that ‘how do we confirm of a hadith that whether it is authentic or not and whether it is revealed from the holy Prophet PBUH or not’?

So, the righteously companions R.A. and the scholars of Islam made some rules to judge the hadith whether this is acceptable or not. And based on this principle, neither every hadith should be rejected and nor is accepted, but should be examined in the light of these principles and also by the secret research that have been made about the narrators?

However, if you see that the hadith mentioned in this article is fabricated, false or unacceptable,
Then tell me that anyone should act upon this hadith or not?

(1) It means that he/she should accept Islam or not because hadith is fabricated and is not an authentic saying of the holy Prophet PBUH?
(2) And he does not want to save from hell-fire and to enter Paradise because hadith is false?
(3) Also he should not have love, affection or sympathy for others, but have hatred, enmity and grudge instead, because this hadith is unreliable?
(4) He should not make good relationship to others by greeting to them, because hadith is totally fabricated?

Brother, Islam is a religion of nature, it just wants whatever it has been mentioned in this hadith. Do you reject all these by saying that “this hadith is invented by men and the holy Prophet PBUH did not say to us anything about this”?

Peace
Best regards

Brother tlihawa

Peace!

You have replied to my article in good manner, but you did not replied point to point, anyway. You and your other like-minded friends explained the word “Salat ” according to their own point of view.
However, I would like to know your opinions about this Qur’anic verse as -

Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much. ﴾Al-Ahzab 21﴿

So, the question is how can someone act upon this verse and follow the good example (known as uswae-hasana) of the holy Prophet PBUH, whether by following all his good examples or excluding his manner of Salat and other worships?

Thanks. hmm

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hawk99 handshake

peace!

Thank you very much brother for nice commentary to my article.

May Allah grant you mercy.

Reply to Mr.talihawa! welcome

having this understanding, you will see that it's really not make any sense that someone with "a spot of imaan" in his/her chest and did evil deeds for his /her whole life will enter the Jannah after being burnt in hell for his sins. No way, there's no such a way.

Peace

Respected one,

You have written a detailed article to prove your point of view by quoting many verses of the holy Quran, but this may be differing from the unanimous stance of the majority of the Muslims Ummah, and as the principle, no any agreed upon Islamic belief or issue, can be changed by the individual opinion of a man to the whole Ummah.

Whatever form of SALAT you perform, it must prevent immorality and evil deeds.

If you SALAT by standing, bowing and prostrating 3 or 5 times a day and you still doing immorality and evil deeds, then you're not SALAT.

My Salat is to uphold and maintain commitment on God's law in Quran. For examples,

• I will not cheat on my wife -- that's my Salat <commitment>

• If my own company has produce a defect product I must recall the product before harming others, even though my company must bear the loss - That's my Salat <commitment>

• I have to take care my parents and do good to them - That's my Salat

• I would not be arrogant on the street, be polite to other people, - That's my Salat

• I will keep all the agreements that have been mutually agreed, and I will do my best to fulfill my promise - That's my Salat.

• I will share twenty percent of my income (in monthly basis) to my parents, the poor, relatives, orphans, people in debt and all the recipients of Sadaqah and Infaq as described in Quran - That's my Salat.

• I will recite Quran three times a day, at dawn, twilight and evening as my commitment to understand what God wants from us

• And many more

I became very impressed about what you wrote about performing Slat and it is very good idea that, “I will not cheat on my wife”, and” I have to take care my parents and do good to them - That's my Salat”, and” I would not be arrogant on the street, be polite to other people, - That's my Salat” etc.

All is just right and every Muslim must do it, but the question is in case, if someone does not possess such fair qualities and a sinful man instead.

For example, he is disobedience one to his parents, and cheats others or tease them and suppress other’s rights etc.
Whether he should not perform Salats or other worships, thinking that “I am a sinful man and what benefit will my prayers and other worship give me? So he does not offer and worship, whether this is right?

Because every man is sinful including me and you, except angels, but Allah’s mercy is unlimited and He will forgive all the sins except shirk.

Therefore, according to Islamic teachings, good actions will be rewarded and man will be punished due to bad actions. So he should not forsake his worships…… whether this is right or wrong?

Do not use any hadith invented by human to explain Quranic verses. Allah is very clear in His verses.

Bro you wrote that,” Do not use any hadith invented by human to explain Quranic verses. Allah is very clear in His verses”. And according to you Prophet Mohammad PBUH had not written any book except the holy Quran revealed on him and he gave it to his Ummah,

it is just right because all the books of hadith are compiled by other righteous Muslims. You say that holy Quran is sufficient for us and any invented hadith should not be used to explain Quranic verses.

So, explain this Qur’anic verse without explanation of a hadith by your own method -

” Establish worship, pay the poor-due, and bow your heads with those who bow (in worship)”. (Al-Baqara) 243).
(1) What is the correct method to perform an obligatory Salat?
(2) How many units should be offered in Salat Zuhar, Asar or in other Salats?
(3) How many are the obligations (fraiz) of Salat?
(4) How many are the wajibat of Salat?
(5) By which action the Salat goes invalid?
(6) If a man commits any mistake in Slat, how can he reform it by ‘sajda sahwah’?

Because we have known all about that, according to the saying of the holy Prophet PBUTH , صلوا کما راتمونی اصلی “offer Salat just as I am offering it”.
And according to you, all hadiths are fabricated, so if our Salat are erroneous, then please correct them by your own method? I
request you that you should tell us about your own Salat whatever you offer, though what should be its method, no problem?

(1) Also, what is the fixed amount of Zakat, and to whom it should be payed?
(2) Who should pay Zakat (poor-due) and who are deserving to receive it?
(3) How can a believer observer fasts of Ramadan and what are its terms and conditions according the holy Quran?

The faithful believers are buried after death while the Hindus are burnt into fire and then their ashes are shed into river etc. If you are the Muslim, then it is sure that you do not burn your dead and offer funeral prayer on them, so prove the complete method of funeral prayer from the holy Quran?

I am sure that you can never prove this though writing more and more replies!

All these questioned should be replied only in the light of the holy Quran and not by hadith?
Thanks.

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good logic

Peace!

Thank you very much for nice commenting bro, though I have different point of view somewhat from it.

Best regards,

The particular hadith that you have brought is typical lie and fabricated by mean hearted people who are not stable OR constant in their belief and ideal Munafiq who encourage people to do every wrong act and still expect Janna one day so that they can freely behave in this earth with anticipation of Janna even from ashes of hell. .. So pathetic their imagination is..
All Munafiq has faith in God... They pray like all conventional Muslim do... So literally they are believers but they are Munafiq at the same time.. So why they deserve the depth of hell pit?

Honorable Mr. jkhan! offtopic

You have replied to my three questions but these are not acceptable at all, because acceptance of such type of questions are authentic only from those who are the righteous companions (R.A.)
Of the holy Prophet Mohammad (may peace and mercy of Allah be upon),

and Tabieen (followers of these companions), and the follower of them, and also from the righteous scholars and mufassirens (commentators) of Islam (i.e. Ahlussunah wal jamaat), their commentaries are authentic in the world of Islam unanimously since fourteen hundred years ago or more.

But those modern scholars who invented “newly and unique opinions” into tafseer and hadith and other Islamic teachings, are rejected unanimously by the whole Muslim ummah. You can say this is the traditional Islam, but “modern Islam and modernism” has not made any place into traditional, and despite the pressure of the heel peak, these notable persons have not achieved any goal so for.

According to me, you also may be a righteous and saint man and have to intention to commit a sin, but your commentary or explanation about the questions and status of hadith, will not be accepted to any Muslim at all, thanks.

It's your life... Work it out.. I don't care... make it or break it.. All up to you. I am not accountable for you. .

And, you are not accountable to me but will be accountable to Allah Almighty instead.

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jkhan

O! my rich fellow and respected one, Shariah arguments, yes, verily Shariah arguments only??? rotfl

You replied to my comments, but you shot arrows in the air only without understanding the real issue. In fact, I have replied to a comment namely “Have you taken a pledge with God” written by “tlihawa,” in which he quoted three verses from the holy Quran.

I asked him that he should prove about first two verses 280 and 281, that these are about the faithful believers and not about the disbelievers and People of the Scripture and the idolater ones? And that the hadith mentioned in the article, is fake and wrong or not? But he did not reply to me and became quiet. And you understand that in Islamic issues, there are Shariah arguments are necessary and not anyone’s personal opinions, philosophy, self-knowledge or wisdom is authentic!!

I said to that writer that -
“You have not replied to me about my question yet that, whether these verses number 280 and 281, are about the faithful believers and not about the disbelievers and People of the Scripture and the idolater ones?
And second is that whether you think that the Muslims will also be burnt in the hell-fire like infidels and mushirks forever, and will never be brought out from it?”

And now you have entered but giving an authentic reply, you have made a fun with Shariah arguments instead. I challenge you that you should reply to me these questions to the point without going hither and thither -

(1) Whether sinful believers will not be punished in hell-fire and after that, they will be brought out from it?
(2) Everlasting in hell-fire is only for the infidels and the mushriks or also for the faithful believers?
(3) The hadith mentioned in the article is fake and wrong or correct?

And unless you reply to me by clear cut manner and to the point, I shall not answer you anyway because this is a discussion only for discussion.
I am sure that you and your like-minded fellows can never reply to these till the Day of Resurrection, yes, do if you can…..

Peace

You have not replied to me about my question yet that, whether these verses number 280 and 281, are about the faithful believers and not about the disbelievers and People of the Scripture and the idolater ones?

And second is that whether you think that the Muslims will also be burnt in the hell-fire like infidels and mushirks forever, and will never be brought out from it?

It seems that you are trying to confuse in useless discussion and you have not authentic knowledge about Shriah arguments. So, unless you reply to me by clear cut manner, I shall not answer you anyway.

Sir, no one has taken a pledge with God, but you should prove by authentic arguments and by context that first two verses number
280 and 281, are about the faithful believers and not about the disbelievers and People of the Scripture and the idolater ones? And that the hadith has been mentioned, is fake and wrong or not? And must give proof from Shariah arguments and not by your own opinion, thanks.

Peace!

Respected Sir, you wrote that I may be guilty by writing word “holy” before the name of Prophet Mohammad PBUH and not writing it before the name of other holy Prophets PBUT? But it will be true only that if I did this knowingly. But it does not so, because I do respect all the holy Prophets (may peace and mercy of Allah be upon them) by the depth of my heart, surely I have forgotten to do this.

And I am sorry to say that why do you have judged about me that I have committed it criminally, and by this way, I have posted spam / Traditional Islam propaganda without engaging in discussion?

Because I am a righteous Muslim having firm belief in oneness of Allah Almighty and in all of His fair attributes and also in the Prophet hood of the all holy Prophets (peace and mercy of Allah be upon them) sent for the guidance of all mankind.
So, I request that you should point out as to where I have breached of forum rules, because I think that I carefully follow them, thanks.

Thank you very much brother for nice commenting.

Emre_1974tr

Peace

Brother, what are you writing to explain these Qur’anic verses, is your own point of view, and anyone, although he is a modern educated one or a philosopher etc.

If he explains any Qur’anic verse, or a hdith or another unanimous belief of Islam, and if majority of Ulama or authentic Muslim scholars don’t confirm his thoughts, then it is rejected and will not be accepted at all.

So, what are you writing, if your point of view is according to the famous ‘Tafasirs’ like Tafseer Ibn Abbas, Tfseer Jalalian, Tafseer Haqqani, Tafseer Maarif-ful-Qur’an etc. Then I am agreeing with you, otherwise discussion only for discussion is not useful, so if you keep reply to reply, I don’t agree with you unless you present some quotes from these tafaseers or any other authentic Muslim Tafseer from Ahlussunah wal-jamaat, Thanks.

Emre_1974tr

Peace
Brother, what are you writing to explain these Qur’anic verses, is your own point of view, and anyone, although he is a modern educated one or a philosopher etc
.
If he explains any Qur’anic verse, or a hdith or another unanimous belief of Islam, and if majority of Ulama or authentic Muslim scholars don’t confirm his thoughts, then it is rejected and will not be accepted at all.

So, what are you writing, if your point of view is according to the famous ‘Tafasirs’ like Tafseer Ibn Abbas, Tfseer Jalalian, Tafseer Haqqani, Tafseer Maarif-ful-Qur’an etc. Then I am agreeing with you, otherwise discussion only for discussion is not useful,

So if you keep reply to reply, I don’t agree with you unless you present some quotes from these tafaseers or any other authentic Muslim Tafseer from Ahlussunah wal-jamaat, Thanks.

وَإِذْ أَخَذَ رَبُّكَ مِنۢ بَنِىٓ ءَادَمَ مِن ظُهُورِهِمْ ذُرِّيَّتَهُمْ وَأَشْهَدَهُمْ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِهِمْ أَلَسْتُ بِرَبِّكُمْ ۖ قَالُوا۟ بَلَىٰ ۛ شَهِدْنَآ ۛ أَن تَقُولُوا۟ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَـٰمَةِ إِنَّا كُنَّا عَنْ هَـٰذَا غَـٰفِلِينَ
١٧٢
And (remember) when thy Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their reins, their seed, and made them testify of themselves, (saying) Am I not your Lord?

Please translate these verses and tell me where it is mentioned about the womb of mothers?
Peace.

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Peace!

Respected Brother!

Your are denying a clear verse of the holy Qur'an, regarding taking a covenant from human beings in the world of spirits, and you are claiming that this covenant

was taking in the womb of mother instead. Have you any argument from the holy Qur'an or hadith about your claim?

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Everyone has recognized Allah Almighty in the world of spirits, and knows about his right and wrong? Part one

By Mohammad Rafique Etesame

This is verily interesting, but is reality that every man has recognized Allah Almighty when he was in the world of spirits before coming in this world and knows well about the right and wrong actions as per the teachings of Islam?
The Holy Qur'an makes mention,”

And (remember) when thy Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their reins, their seed, and made them testify of themselves, (saying) Am I not your Lord? They said Yea, verily. We testify. (That was) lest ye should say at the Day of Resurrection Lo! of this we were unaware; Or lest ye should say (It is) only (that) our fathers ascribed partners to Allah of old and we were (their) seed after them. Wilt Thou destroy us on account of that which those who follow falsehood did?” ﴾(Al-A'raf 173﴿

The Commentators explanation that,” God gathered all human beings, and divided them into different groups, granted them human form and the faculty of speech, made them enter into a covenant, and then making them witnesses against themselves He asked them ‘Am I not your Lord?
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They replied ‘Assuredly you are Our Lord.’ Then God told them ‘I call upon the sky and the earth and your own progenitor, Adam, to be witness against you lest you should say on the Day of Judgement that you were ignorant of this. Know well that no one other than Me deserves to he worshipped and no one other than Me is your Lord. So do not ascribe any partner to Me. I shall send to you My Messengers who will remind you of this covenant which you made with Me. I shall send down to you My Books.’ In reply all said ‘We witness that You are Our Lord and our Deity. We have no lord or deity other than You.’ (Musnad Ahmad b. Hanbal)

Now, this is crystal clear that man has observed Allah Almighty in the world of sprits and has testified about Him as being The Lord and The Master of the universe, and since then up to his birth, he does not forget that covenant as a hadith reveals about it,

“Abu Huraira, narrated that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Every child is born with a true faith (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses 'The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone), with which He has created human beings.' " (30.30).

Now the question is when man become a young one, whether that covenant is fresh in his mind till now? The answer is yes (first is that), because we see that every man has a spirit of worship and he is excited for that he should bow down before any supernatural power. Therefore, every man adopts a religion to satisfy this passion.
Second is When a harm or a misfortune touches a man, then he cries unto Allah sincerely and he believes that there is no deity or
anyone else, can save him from this calamity except Allah!

Part Two

As the holy Qur’an reveals,” And if misfortune touches a man he cries unto Us, (while reclining) on his side, or sitting or standing, but when We have relieved him of the misfortune he goes his way as though he had not cried unto Us because of a misfortune that afflicted him”. (Surah Yunus (Jonah ) 12)

Also,” And when harm touches men they cry unto their Lord, turning to Him in repentance; then, when they have tasted of His mercy, behold! some of them attribute partners to their Lord﴾ Ar-Rum 33﴿
This is the clear proof that Allah Exists in the depth of every man’s heart although he does not want to display this fact.

Notable, when the ruins of any ancient civilization are discovered in any part of the world, there exists a boundary of a place of worship necessarily.
But the religion of Islam guides a man to the right way of worship i.e. to worship of Allah Almighty, a real Supernatural Power and The Creator of the universe.

Now the question is how can man knows about the right and wrong actions by himself? So, the holy Qur’an makes mention,” And a soul and Him Who perfected it, And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it” (Surah Shams .
Also mentions, “And showed him the two ways (of good and evil)” (Surah Balad, Verses 10).

According to the commentators, in the conscience of man there is a light or a criterion of guidance that has been granted to him to examines the facts that he faces and it does not take long for him to know about them as to right and wrong or the truth and falsehood?
And not only man has granted a light and criterion, but also he has given the authority along with it to act upon right or wrong actions.

For example, if someone is asked about stealing, committing adultery, to kill or to hurt someone, injustice, or to be disobedience to the parents that, what type of these actions? He will immediately reply without any hesitation that, all these actions are wrong, immoral and should not be done.

And on the other hand, if he is asked about the moral status of to worship, to help others, to get rid of a debtor's neck from debt, to obey the parents and to share in someone's pain and trouble state of affairs? So he will immediately answer that all these actions are good and should be done!
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He will never say in reply that, “I don’t know what type of these actions, First I shall read my religious book or I shall ask to my religious leader, priest or a Guru, then I shall answer! Reason is that, this Devine light guides to him every time.
So, everyone should be careful about this covenant, because he will be accountable for it at the Day of Resurrection. Therefore, he should be ready to obey all the commandments of Allah, in order to be the successful one!