Arnold said
So take the word from another real scientist To much emotion is involved here and amateur-claims used to debunk a whole concept. This is unscientific.

You keep impressing upon others about you being a scientist.Why dont you produce something more for us to discern from Aymans post instead of making fanciful denial statments that doesnt sink .The analogy of your rebuttals are like composites that looks like a metal but floats on water.

Ayman wrote

According to Edip?s logic, the god also provides the Bible Code numerologists with a winning lottery ticket of HITLER?s name encoded with EVIL, and many other future events that didn?t even happen until many centuries after the Bible but yet are ?coded? in there. Using Edip?s logic then this is more impressive than a mere number being divisible by 19. Unlike winning the lottery which is routinely accomplished by many people every year, how many of the billions of people of the past hundreds of years predicted that HITLER would be EVIL? Probably very few if any at all. So the probability is 1 in billions.

Well done!You have nailed it.

Ok plume i cant argue with that when u decide when u want to break your fast and call it a night as long as its conceal.

thank you.

Hi Sibute,

You are welcome -- I read it as night being exactly from sunset to dawn.

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And by the sun and its brightness;
And by the moon as it follows it (the sun);
And by the night as it conceals it (the sun);

Well I guess when the sun is concealed just below the horizon ( zero degrees) with its light beaming to the observer like you during sunset it must mean you break your fast??

thank you.

Hi Plume,

20130 So bear patiently what they say, and glorify the praises of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and during some of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day, that you may become pleased with the reward which Allah shall give .

Thank you for this wonderful quote plume but my point is night is not equal to sunrise - sunset but from the quote above it it clearly distincts between rising, setting and the hours of the night.

All scientific discoveries will relate back to the quran whether it be a seamen,scientist or anyone who seeks knowledge of this universe.
i can see that you are well verse with quotes from the quran and thats good but one should also refelect on how people with knowledge should also be sought after when it conforms with what quran is telling us.

Thank you.

Hi,
Plume wrote
What contradicts is to compare a ?night? (i.e. time sunset to dawn) better than a thousand full moon snapshots which occur half the time during "the day" as did the full moons after the summer solstice in Makkah, Saudi Arabia for a brief moment the five prior years in a row and will likewise do so in the next three years...

Night is actually measured accurately by seamen as
Nautical Twilight Starts/Ends
Nautical twilight is the period when the center of the Sun is between 6 and 12 degrees below the horizon, when bright stars are still visible in clear weather and the horizon is becoming visible. It is too dark to do outdoor activities without additional lighting.

thx.

Hi,

However,the believers are ordered the fasting, therefore, not fasting without valid reason or to not redeem is disobedience to The God

is this a whimsical statement without proofs or quotes from any reliable source? yeah

Hey Ayman,
This thread that you posted which reads Hot/Ramadhan is very enlightening although I must say it got washed away by several views through their inconsistent and irrelevant replies .Acceptable also are your views concerning the astro calculations of the movements of the heavenly bodies which conforms with precise modern day calculations done by astro physicists and scientistsand astro researchers.
My question is if the northern summer solstice begins from the prescribe date of around 21st June and therafter the scorching moon avails itself due to movement of the earth relative to the stationary positions of the heavenly bodies will it be possible for the communities along the narrow parallels of the equator observe not one but 2 scorching moons every 6 months when the sun moves up and down between the notherthern and southern tropics of cancer and capricorn?
Please elaborate as I need to decide when to fast?

Thank you.

hi,

Pray to God that whoever owns this gets it translated ASAP, and lets the world know the truth of the earliest recordings!!

I am so excited about the possibility!

Whats the difference?The quran is guaranteed it's pristine state from day one!The gold and silver trimmings does not change the message in the quran.

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YUSUFALI The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way evil indeed are the deeds they have done.
PICKTHAL They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.
SHAKIR They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.

Edip,

Your post was eloquent and your rebuttals, with finese.God Bless you bravo