Where did you derive this ruling "When there is a spouse the siblings dont inherit"?

Incorrect. Siblings DO inherit in the presence of a spouse. Only when a Father (or fathers' father etc..) or son (or sons son etc..) is inheriting are the siblings deprived.

You are claiming contradiction in rules which have already been established for 1400 years by the true scholars of Sunni Islam, yet you dont even know the basics of the rules of exclusion!

I can see this will be a waste of time. Insha'Allah, will take my leave now. No point in conversing with hadith-rejectors.

Peace -- the site is full of errors and contradictions which were parroted from long ago.

Using al-awl or algebra to normalize or increase/decrease evenly all shares to new values that are never mentioned in Qur'an can be used to wrongly "fix" surplus/shortfall any combinations.

Case which supposedly occurred during caliphate of Umar ibn Khattab.
A woman left husband, mother, 2 uterine brothers & 2 full brothers.

Umar initially gave 1/2 husband + 1/6 mother + 1/3 two uterine brothers which left nothing to the two full brothers.

The two full brothers argued that even if their father was a donkey or a stone cast into the sea and they had no paternal relationship, they still had the same and equal relationship with the deceased as the uterine brothers through the same mother.

Umar reconsidered allowed the two full brothers to inherit equally with uterine brothers the 1/3.

Please ask ulamaa' explain husband, mother, 2 uterine sisters, 2 full sisters & 2 full brothers?

Please state which verses you are using for all cases above and where Qur'an differentiates full and uterine siblings?

Nope, no contradictions. You are only saying that because you reject Hadith, which are HALF of Islam.

The case which you've brought up is quite interesting. This is actually one of the few instances in inheritance law where there is disagreement among the scholars.

The Shafi'i scholars accept the ruling of 'umar.

According to the Hanafi madhab, however, the two full brothers will simply not inherit.

There is consensus of the 'ulamaa that verse 4176 refers to full and consanguine siblings, while 412 refers to uterine siblings. This si mentioned in the books of tafseer. Of course, you guys wouldn't understand this because you only go by the Qur'an.

'Awl has been proves through narrations where umar applied it. Even if you dont accept that, its been proven through qiyaas (analogy) for when the shares of creditors is proportionally decreased when the assets care not enough to pay them all off. Agian, these are narrations, NOT in the Qur'an, so you guys will obviously dismiss them all. Even though the Qur'an tells us to follow the example of Rasulullah (sallAllaahu alayhi wasallama) MANY TIMES and he (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) tells us to follow his sahaabah.

Now since you claim you don't need ahadeeth or narrations from the sahaabah, here is a question for you.

What happens when only a spouse is inheriting? Where does the residue go?

May Allah guide you all. Ameen.

The site will explain the concept of `awl and Radd. Only when these two concepts are understood will theconfusion subside, at least a little.

Bold To be honest, I dislike this statement.

So, how do you know that 'the ulamaa' have already explained everything?

Are they "gods"?

To be honest, I saw this comment coming from a mile away.

Never said they were gods, but they know the deen better than us. You guys like to play the mantra of "Qur'an only", right? How about when Allah says, "Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know".

When you follow a madhab, you are following a group of scholars. Its the safe road. And honeslty speaking, the question of madhabs does not even really come up when talking about inheritance, as there is very little ikhtilaaf in inheritance laws. All scholars agree on almost every ruling when it comes to inheritance.

Entire volumes have been written on this topic by the `ulamaa in great detail, masha'Allah. And here you are, 27 pages, still as confused as ever.

Make your life easy, and take the deen from people who know more than you. If you try to figure out every ruling for yourself, you'll end up with a headache, and still have no understanding of the issue.

SubhaanAllah, 27 pages of confusion. As with any topic, in-depth discussion requires that you know the topic being discussed.

No need for such discussion when the `ulamaa' have already explained everything.

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