ahoy hoy

interesting argument nural, if im correct within the quran in several places it is stated how the book is divine, how it is gods word and how it is a perfect guide for mankind.

If this is the case then surely there can not have been any human intervention in presenting the message. If you believe in the quran then surely you believe that god is allmighty and he will definatly have ensured that his word has remained thorough and pure, humans are inevitably fallible and their interpretations will vary but the god in giving his people a book for them to live their lives on will have ensured that his guidance remains original and intact

toodles

the kebab monster

(ignore this, having post problems..)

ahoy hoy

The Universe and all that is in it Khizar is such a wonderful and amazing thing that we can experience with our senses. God's creation is majestically beautiful.

im curious lote, if you beleive that all of gods creations are beautrifull, and i do to, do you also think that homosexuals carry an equal beauty....many people will argue this saying that homosexuality is not one of gods creations, its one of man's flaws ....what do you think.... the argument over weather it is nature or nurture that makes people homosexual took another turn in my mind recently, i learnt of a man (whos name i cant remember) who claimed to have isolated a 'gay gene' that predisposed people to being homosexual, the implications of his findings were that masses of people were carrying out abortions in fear that they child mite be homsexual. the research was later proved incorrect and so the nature war lost a battle.

I think because no body really knows what causes our sexual orientation, no body really has the right to critisize or judge...

toodles

the kebab monster

ahoy hoy

$250 million worth of nitrites being used annually by a mere 2-4% of the US population (homosexual men) to facilitate anal sex

i dont think quoting figures that show money is being spent to pleasure the gay community is a credible argument to argue against homosexuality, whatever your views you will be able to find something that the US government is spending money on that seems like a total waste, personally id rather they spent $250 million to keep the smile on gay's rather that use that money to massacre innocent civilians in their own country.

To the idea installed by a few that we should send homosexuals in exile or to another location within a country is ludicrous, its exactly the kind of backward thinking that savaged medicinal progress througout the middle ages, its a kind of ignorance that breeds stupidity, we need to look forward to increase our own understanding and knowledge.

'all that youve left behind, will come back to confront you if you turn around'

toodles

the kebab monster

ahoy hoy

tay! someone has an open mind on this forum! maybe there is a god afterall......

If you think to yourself about your own sexual orientation (if you are heterosexual) you will realise that you are very much against the thought of homosexuals, the idea may seem repulsive. Similiarly for homosexuals the idea of heterosexuals 'engaging' seems foul. This is not something of personal choice, im not sure which sea creature it is, i think the seahorse, but that chooses its own sexual orientation. We are not like that. So how can you blame these people for being this way. Its beyond me to do it, its beyond me to condemn it, it may not seem natural but and im assuming most of you follow the quran, does it not say in the quran that there are many things in this world and in the afterlife that are beyond our comprehension and understanding.....

toodles

the kebab monster

ahoy hoy

As did he then create Killers, peadophiles, rapist, without given them a choice then. To blame those is to blame man for his existance.

im sorry but i completely disagree, your sexual orientation is not something you choose, homosexuals, transexuals, heamaphradites and heterosexual do not choose which gender they are attracted to, ask yourself, did you choose? but weather you kill somoene or not, rape someone or not, this is your own choice, a decision you make.

On another note, im not expecting people to accept the actions of homosexuals just to not carry some hatred towards them. I'm curious as to what people in this thread would do if they found their son/daugter to be homosexual..

toodles

the kebab monster

ahoy hoy

'None of us can really identify the problem'

Am i the only person who doesnt see homosexuality as a problem? it certainly feels like it

i kno people who have been homosexual their entire lives, its not a personal preferece, its not influeneced by modern trends, they just are and always have been attracted to the same sex.

To claim that these people in some way are not as 'righteous' as heterosexuals is something i wont accept. If you believe in a god then surely it is god who has made them this way, to blame them for their sexual orientation is to blame a man for his existance

toodles

the kebab monster

ahoy hoy

well this certainly cooked up debate, on the main part im glad to see the open mindedness and respectfull approach taken to the subject but i cant help but be dissapointed by the arrogance displayed by a few, homophobia is so unbelievably ridiculous, and overwhelmingly arrogant that it has no place within society.

To the criticisms made by people sujjesting i may be homosexual and to the idiot who was raising an eyebrow at me studying homosexuality, what can i say really? to all the people who do fecal studies as one of their core biology topics at university, lets all raise eyebrows at the prospect of them being lumps of feaces roaming cyberspace

on another note, just to clear up, i dont believe in quran alone and i dont follow islam in anyway, although i do beleive the quran to be a special book, i dont follow any religion, im on a personal journey to understand life through my own experiances

toodles

the kebab monster

ahoy hoy

Before i begin this thread i just want to make clear that i in no way intend to offend people or create any kind of unease or tension, all my views, are my own and i have come up with them, the point of placing them within this forum is in the hope that i can either develop them or realise that they are incorrect or false.

A common problem people face with the issue of homosexuality is that they dont seem to understand how it arrises. Is it natural? is it environmental?, Many people point to homsexual behaviour only arrising later in people lives and not being there throughout their early childhood years. they point to this as proof that it is the environment and peoples society that makes them homosexual. Having studied homosexuality i know that it is largely accepted that if someone is homosexual, it is a natural thing, and they have been homosexual thier entire lives, it follows also that all homosexuals say that even if they have been in relationships with women at some earlier time that they didnt feel 'right' or they knew something was wrong, as for the argument that it only occurs during the teenage years, well this is the same for all flirtatious behaviour (homosexual or heterosexual), as the hormones only come into play at this age.

To the point..... Many people think that homosexuals are completely unatural as it is inherit within our nature to pass on our genes, to reproduce and to continue the species, being homosexual means that we cannot do this.......or does it.

It is understood with modern biology that there are new species being discovered which are born without a gender and reproduce asexualy. Looking at the world in general, we are in large experiancing a population boom, many cities are considering placing child limits to control this, I wonder then if this limiting the population size is not something we need to worry about, maybe nature is taking care of this for us, having reached a peak in population, increasingly more homsexuals seem to be around (i appreciate that there is more openess and acceptance for homosexuality today but studies have shown that homsexuality has become more common in recent times) Maybe homosexuals are furhter in the evolutionary process than heterosexuals and the next step is asexuality, having reached a peak in population, it would be the ideal time for such a change over as during the interchange period we would loose numbers of people but there would be enough left over with the far more biologically efficient method of asexual reproduction to continue the species.

(think......)

toodles

the kebab monster