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  • The Lack of Science in Gay Debates
    T TheRoamingGypsy

    Peace Lena,

    I agree this is a good post, however, it does not answer the all important question, why did Lot offer up his daughters? God only writes what he needs to - and he wrote that Lot offered up his daughters to be gang-raped?

    Dawn.

    If the people of Sodom were inti gang rapes, it is disturbing to think that Lot would offer them his daughters. The Koran would have mentioned gangrape if it wanted to.

    Still, there is a hint though that the men of Sodom were interested into forced sex. Because they storm into Lot's place to get the two men who have come to visit Lot. I don't think they knew their orientation or that they would be interested. But in that case they would have even wanted to rape Lot? But perhaps Lot was too old for them? And the messengers were young men.

    The only case which can be argued powerfully is that the Koran prohibits gay sex. To prove anything else requires several assumptions...

    Please look further into the Wording of the Story, there are details which are easily overlooked

    1. Lot addresses his people as a community and group (i.e He talks to them as the first community of people, to commit homosexuality, not just isolated cases. They were the first group of people to completely forsake women and live in a community with thriving homosexuality) (781)

    2. Lot offers his daughters while knowing that they would not accept them. He was trying to make a point, and that point was that "they are purer for you" (117.
      This is derived from his people's answer to his statement, which was, "YOU KNOW, that we have no right with your daughters, and YOU KNOW what WE want ". (1179). Thus, Lot was trying to make a point to them again, that his daughters (women), are purer for them than men, and he knew They were going to refuse. Thus, he wasn't really offering up his daughters, he was making a point that women are for men.

    3. In the Quran there are limitations on whom we can and can't marry. We can't marry two sister, or the wives of our fathers, or the wives of our sons. (423).
      Marrying the wives of our fathers (even if not our mothers) is also deemed "Lewed", hated, and bad/evil (422). So the limitations are not just about same-sex intimacy.
      It is hard to support same-sex couples from the Quran, as There are no examples or citations of Same-Sex couples, and neither can same-sex intimacy be supported from any of the other Abrahamic scriptures. I say so because Lot's story is included in them all.

    P.S I'm in no way a homophobe. I myself am Bisexual by attraction. I went through different phases of Sexuality, from Straight to Gay to asexuality/Celibacy. I am still attracted to the same gender but I cope with that, rather than act upon it. Also, I am working on a therapy of coping with SSA. I'm hoping to make a video about it soon, and write an article.

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  • A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
    T TheRoamingGypsy

    I believe that since salat has been revealed before the Quranic Revelation, one has to look to the previous people/ Scriptures whom Salat has been revealed to, in order to get more understanding of what Salat really is, and the numbers.

    The focus groups would be (All of which are mentioned/alluded to in the Quran are

    1. Mandaeans (Sabaens) (5 prayers lessened to 3 Prayers by John the Baptist) (Sabaeen in Quran 2217)
    2. Zoroastrians (5 prayers) (Majus in Quran 2217)
    3. Samaritans (3 times, more on holidays) (Early schism of children of Israel)
    4. Early Jewish tribes/Torah/Tanakh (some 3, some 5, some combine 5 into 3 times)
    5. New Testament (3 times, 3rd, 6th, 9th hours)

    The two hardest group to find out is Mandaeans and samaritans, since their numbers are few, and there is not a lot of available literature out there.

    1. This free online book is about Mandaeans
      http//mandaeannetwork.com/Mandaean/en_The_Mandaeans_of_Iraq_and_Iran_sabians_mandaeannetwork.html?i1

    Also as an intro to Mandaeans in english
    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ean-WKnw_nU

    1. Zoroastrianism
      https//archive.org/details/ourownreligionin00millrich

    2. Samaritans outreach website
      http//www.thesamaritanupdate.com/

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