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  • Sura Al Rahmaan... AGAIN :)
    T tough

    Here is my THOUGHT (and again thought only) about Sura 55 (I apologize if you read it the second time)

    I really wanted some feedbacks/other thoughts/scenarios/opinions, but it seems I didn't get much feedback, those I got were generally negative...

    I'm about to decide that it's very subjective (due to my Chemistry education, I think)

    What do you think? Why does God repeat the same verse over and over?

    (Edit I'm sorry, I think this should be in "Science and the Quran" forum, if anybody can move it there, I'll be really glad.)


    Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?

    This verse is repeated exactly 31 times in Sura 55, in almost regular intervals.

    I wondered why. Is it because the verse is saying a very important thing? Maybe.

    What if God did it to make us pay attention to repeating itself, giving a clue about "repeating" things, perhaps the frequency of something, or perhaps the "frequency" itself?

    Sura Rahman is the 55. sura, and has 78 verses.
    Cesium element is the 55. element, and has 78 neutrons (which is the only stable isotope)

    There is no other sura in Quran with this properties (there are some similar ones, but not like this).
    I think that repeating the same verse over and over can be a clue for one of the uses of Cesium.

    By the way, it can be noted at this point that the atomic weight (the sum of protons and neutrons) of Cesium is
    (55 + 7 133, which is 19 x 7, which is of course at the same time the sum of sura number and the number of verses
    for Sura 55. The Number 19 has a special number in the context of Quran, and the number 7 has a special meaning
    in the context of atomic structure (in that, it is the number of quantized energy levels in any atom).

    555 The sun and the moon are perfectly calculated.

    This verse seems to be a message that the (movement of the) sun and the moon are (or perhaps can be) calculated precisely.
    This is a message for us, who calculated time based on the movement of earth, sun and moon, until 1967.

    That year, the time unit "second" was redefined internationally based on repeating electron transitions in Cesium-133

    "the duration of 9,192,631,770 cycles of microwave light absorbed or emitted by the hyperfine transition of cesium-133 atoms in their ground state undisturbed by external fields"

    It can be thought as the vibration frequency of Cesium-133, to the layman.

    Cesium clock is one of the most precise clocks in the Earth (and probably in whole Universe). It measures with an accuracy of 1 second in 1.4 million years.
    It is the most accurate realization of a unit that mankind has yet achieved, according to this page

    (more information here and here, more detailed information for the interested is in any inorganic chemistry textbook)

    As a conclusion, I'm saying that there seems to be a conceptual relation between the repeating pattern in Sura 55 with 78 verses,
    and the repeating pattern in Element 55 with 78 neutrons.

    Rahmaan, who constructed the sky and established the law (557), definitely knows "sky blue" (Cesium) can be used to very precisely
    (perfectly) calculate the movement of the sun and the moon, as said in 555.

    I don't know if there exists any mathematical relation between Sura Rahman and Cesium element (or the frequencies in them).

    ...

    Could you give feedback? What do you think?

    Prophecies of the Quran

  • I was an atheist...
    T tough

    I thought my first post in free-minds forum should be here. Here is my story I posted to 19.org's forum


    Then let me tell a different story

    Most of the people I know used to be either sunni, or "search for the truth". Not me, actually I didn't use to give a damn.

    I liked some of the religious stories about Muhammed or other prophets, or miracles, when I was a young boy. In Turkey, there are some "brainformatter" groups of people who "wash" young boys' brains pretending to teach them lessons (Mathematics and so on). But the real intention is advertising their religion to make the boy to become a sunni (or make him think the way as they think). It was my family who noticed their intention and protected me.

    The way they noticed this is pretty funny and strange actually They found one of the books I got from brainformatters Interesting Questions - 2 (Yes, the author was nobody but Edip).

    In that book, Edip quotes some of the (extreme and nonsense) sunni thoughts, actually to criticize them. However, in the first look (when skimming and scanning), they seem to be the author's thoughts (Well, at least my family thought they were the author's thoughts). I tried to explain that they are not Edip's thoughts, that Edip criticized them. Hehe, I liked Edip. I liked that book

    They later noticed they were not Edip's thoughts, however, they had noticed the "brainformatters" once. They didn't want me to go to that people's house again.

    Edip's "Interesting Questions - 2" book was what prevented me to become a sunni . Though in a different way, it really did

    Then, a long time passed. I was not interested in religious matters. I never was, actually.

    One day, I refused all of the religious stories, together with what they're based on the existence of a God. I lost my belief, became an atheist. Actually, I never believed, it's only that I was told that I believed a god. Everbody said there was a god.

    I reflected, then decided... Miserable is what I decided... Miserable indeed is what I decided... I looked, frowned and whined. I turned arrogantly... I said "this is not even a clever magic"... I said "This is human made" 7418-25 (The thing I refused was, however, not a miracle, but the stories. I did it arrogantly, though. That's the only arrogance I'm happy with )

    Based on those nonsense stories, I refused the idea of a God.

    Another long time passed. One day, I saw another book "Errors in Quran Translations", written by Edip Yuksel. Hey, that name sounds familiar! I read it. Strange it is, this guy refuses everything I refuse, he still insists the existence of a God.

    Then, I read "19 Questions for Muslim Scholars". I wrote an email to Edip. He sent me Rashad's English Translation.

    I met Rashad... I read the appendices first .

    I met 19. I met Quran.

    I met... God...

    I wrote another email to Edip saying that it's very difficult, if not impossible, to calculate the divisibility of those long numbers by 19 (I didn't know programming that well then). He replied me "I didn't calculate them, I don't know the exact programming method".

    I met... C... . Proved to myself the truth of the most of what Rashad said.

    Proved to myself, mathematically, and digitally, the existence of a God... The existence of "the" God...

    I don't think even Edip remembers those emails, mainly because I usually try to change my nick frequently to make sure nobody remembers me, in person

    Thinking now, strange indeed I had nothing to do with religion, all I wanted was to study Mathematics. I was a kid. The people who seemed to help me study math were actually sunni brainwashers, imposing their thoughts. I took nearly nothing from them, my family prevented me. Except one book Edip's book. That was one of the few books opposing them Then, I had again nothing to do with religion (and reaaalllly nothing, I mean), then I came across another book of Edip (whom, at first look, I can't even remember from where I can remember, but there was a familiarity).

    That book changed my life. Thanks, Edip.

    I was 19 years old. God guided me.

    Thank God!

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