Peace everyone,
First scientific paper stating extraterrestrial intelligence as the most likely hypothesis, published October 2016
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=KudROXWwmwk
Original paper
https//arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1610/1610.03031.pdf
Abstract
https//arxiv.org/abs/1610.03031
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Salaam Imran,
i also have lot of confusions and questions to ask which hardly anybody can answer but instead of thinking about it , i need to accept what is truth .. i need to take life how it is..
the answers of these questions i dnt have it right now
if i ask from God
there is a silence ..
if i ask from any scholar they will bring secterian lies in it...
who should i ask ?
I know you make fun of everything I say but just patiently try what I am going to tell you and it will work. It might take some time but it will definitely work if you are sincere and persistent.
After salat, make an intention in your mind that you want to communicate with God. Then sit in a dark room with straight back, close your eyes, and make your mind completely empty of any thought (this is the hardest part). Keep practicing until you can keep it empty for a long time. Then one day you will experience God talking to you, more clear than you hear someone's voice. To make sure it is not a negative entity, say the words auzubillah minashaitan nirajeem 3 times when you hear the voice (very important). If it is not God, the entity will disappear. Then ask any question in your mind and it will be answered.
5016 And We have created the human being and We know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein.
3446 Say "I advise you to do one thing that you rise up/devote yourself to God, in twos and individually, then reflect.".............
If you do this in twos, with another person, it works even better. Try this sincerely and persistently. What do you have to lose?
Salaam
Salaam all,
The component of education, learning is not the only component of salat, Salat is an important channel for spiritual and emotional connection among other things.
I strongly believe that if you simply translate it as education process you are neglecting and undermining the many other purposes it serves
Again, you should not deviate from the root meaning either.
I completely agree with HP_TECH about this. bravo
In my understanding, education-process is a completely incorrect meaning of salat because it does not encompass all the aspects of salat such as praise and glorification of ALLAH, when salat is established by a human for ALLAH. Education-process indicates a one way process whereas salat is a dynamic two way process involving close connection and two way intimate communication with ALLAH (1187), such as praise and glorification with humility, and prayer, in addition to the recitation/oration and education.
17110 Say "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in your salat, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And magnify Him greatly.
Salat is used in opposition to "following desires", therefore one component would also be "not following desires"
1959 Then, generations came after them who lost the salat, and followed desires. They will find their consequences.
COMMUNION or CLOSE CONNECTION would be a much better translation, but this has been ignored for years despite repeated discussions. brickwall
peace Layth,
What happened to "communion"?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608921.msg396386#msg396386
COMMUNION the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level.
https//en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/communion
Education-process also does not make any sense for salat of birds (2441).
Salaam
Peace NK,
I have one question regarding someone has two wives. What does Quran say regarding this matter?.
Please take a look at brother Hafeez Kazi's articles
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606725.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606743.0
Peace
Peace Jafar,
An interesting 'conclusion' regarding double slit experiment... although might not be 100% correct..
Double slit experiment..
https//youtu.be/p-MNSLsjjdo
It show's that the action of 'observing' can change the behavior of object (or particles) being observed..
Please also check out the fascinating delayed choice quantum eraser experiment, which confirms the findings of double slit experiment
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4
Peace
Peace Jafar,
Such are among the thing / attitude (read Unselfish, Unegoistic) that you will need to learn on this very very short life of yours... The importance of GIVING rather than TAKING.
Do not judge, or you will be judged.
For with the same judgement you pronounce, you will also be judged;
And with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Why do you look at the speck in your brother?s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?
-- Matt 72
We all make mistakes and we are VERY BAD at realizing our own mistakes.
Mostly due to our own 'ego'.
Thus the best attitude is; not to judge others but understand them..
Always forgive others because we cannot realize our own mistakes..
By such we hope that our mistakes (which we don't and never realize by ourselves) will also be forgiven..
"and forgive us of our sins as we also have forgiven those who have sinned against us"
-- Matt 69
bravo bravo bravo
Thank you for the words of wisdom. Forgiveness is the only thing that stops karma in its tracks.
Peace
Peace everyone,
Just trying to be objective here. I have presented all this to an atheist friend in past and here were his answers
So looks like brother good logic is right! I couldn't convince him at all brickwall
Peace
Peace hansolo,
Malaika does not mean "angels" but "controllers" as used in the quran. Controllers can include angels as well as some of the jinn.
The usage of the word "and" does not necessarily exclude the following word from a previously mentioned category. It depends on the context.
348 And He teaches him the book and the wisdom and the Torah and the Injeel.
Are the Torah and the Injeel not included in "the book and the wisdom"? Was he taught 4 books?
253 And we gave Moses the book and the criterion, perhaps you would be guided.
Was Moses given 2 books, "the book and the criterion"?
Gabriel is the name of one of the controllers. It seems he is one of the archangels who was made a controller by the infinite Creator. He is a positive 6th density/dimension entity who assisted in the transmission of a positive message of divine origin to Muhammad.
297 Say "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, then know that he has sent it down into your heart with the permission of God, affirming what is with him, and a guide and good news for the believers."
Following was channeled by Q'uo, a group of positive higher dimensional entities (a collection of positive 4th, 5th and 6th density/dimension entities in service to the infinite Creator)
P Yes. In the book itself it says Mohammed was inspired and that the message came through Gabriel, that the work itself is the word of God Itself and was absolute and had no flaw. Could you tell me the density of Gabriel and the identity of Gabriel? And what do they mean really when they say this is the word of God and is absolute?
I am Q?uo, and am aware of your query, my sister. We will attempt to respond. The entity, Gabriel, was one of a number of entities that assisted in this transmission, being the focus of the effort, was one which worked with the entity known as Mohammed as this entity had dedicated its life purpose previous to the incarnation to working with those of its own kind, shall we say. Thus, the effort was put forth by those of the density of love and light in balance, that being six, working with those of the same vibratory level who had taken incarnation for the purpose of such a mission.
Is there a further query, my sister?
P When you say those of the same vibratory level do you mean then that Mohammed was a sixth-density entity who incarnated as a third-density entity?
I am Q?uo, and this is correct, my sister.
Some other controllers are Michael, Raphael and Ariel (Uriel). When you meditate, Gabriel is usually seen wearing a blue robe, standing in water, which is running and fresh, and offering up a holy cup for the thirsty.
The four archangels are Raphael, Gabriel, Michael
and Ariel. If you wish to use the same technique as
this instrument, you would see the one known as
Raphael dressed in raiment so white that it glistened
yellow and crimson. It is a silent witness, not a jovial
personality. Then, behind the self, one asks for the
presence of Gabriel, that great nurturer, who is
normally visualized wearing a blue robe, standing in
water, which is running and fresh, and offering up a
holy cup to the thirsty. To the right there is Michael,
the only of the archangels which bears what
you would call a weapon. It is the archetypal dragon
slayer, it is the protector. It is always alert, and as
one becomes adept at these visualizations one may
see from the expression on these entities? faces what
the atmosphere is truly like, not seen or felt from the
outside, but from the inside, for Michael, more than
any of the others, changes posture, changes the angle
of its sword, changes its degree of alertness. Lastly,
moving from the crimson robes of Michael, we ask
that our left side be guarded by the archangel Ariel,
which is the personification of Earth cycles. As it
moves its multicolored cloak, a wind blows, and
leaves, fallen from the trees and dry, rustle across its
path. It is a mystery-clad entity, just as death and
transformation are unknown until after the fact.
Laitos is a positive 4th density/dimension entity who channeled the above information to humans.
Peace
Peace hansolo,
The channel for Oahspe was told in a vision that he must live austerely for ten years before he could be of help, and he and a friend did just that, living monastically, waiting for the time of opportunity. When his decade of sacrifice was through, he was told to get a typewriter, new at the time. He did so. Over the next few years, he channeled the huge book, being put at the typewriter while he was asleep at night.
Of course one should be very careful about any channeled message because majority of the channelings are from negative higher dimensional service to self entities who deceptively channel truth mixed with falsehood to control, manipulate and enslave human beings and violate their free will.
Just because Oahspe was channeled by positive entities in 1882 does not mean that it is the truth in its entirety; negative messages by negative higher dimensional entities could have crept into it also as they have in some "holy works". You should be extremely careful and verify everything yourself before accepting it as the truth.
The following book tells you how to identify the negative messages
http//areyouseekingthelight.com/
Peace
*edited at the poster's request ~ Moderator
Peace hansolo,
2435 also points to the God being present everywhere, in line with 2115
2435 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth ........................
Additionally the God blows from his spirit in every human being
1529 "So when I evolve him, and blow from My Spirit in him, you shall yield to him."
3872 "So when I have evolved him, and blow of My Spirit in him, then you shall yield to him."
11123 uses the word "return" in the same context of matters, which gives a totally different meaning of all matters having a timespan and then after that timespan they return to their Lord. The word "return" doesn't imply "distance". So which is it? YURJA3U meaning "return" in 11123 or YU3RUJU meaning "ascend" in 325? Yet another apparent contradiction.
11123 And to God is the unseen of the heavens and the earth, and to Him all matters return. So serve Him and put your trust in Him. Your Lord is not unaware of what you all do.
Peace
Peace hansolo,
These verses have been troubling for me and I have not been able to reconcile them. 2115 indicates the God is present everywhere. The presence is not confined to just seeing and hearing but the complete presence. If it was just seeing and hearing, the verse would have said eyes and ears of the God, instead of face of the God. Idiomatically, face of the God means the whole being. Therefore, some of these verses which make it look like the God is confined to a certain place contradict 2115.
Peace
Peace everyone,
I don't think FNM has insulted the true God or the original text of the quran. Maybe the forum rules need to be changed to "THE GOD" instead of "God" otherwise that would include any "God", and changed to "the original text of the quran" instead of "the quran" otherwise it would include any book claiming to be "the quran" without evidence.
Circular reasoning is not evidence but a logical fallacy. Inclusion of some scientific facts in a book is not evidence of a book's divine origin, especially when much more advanced scientific facts were known thousands of years prior as evidenced by Sumerian inscriptions and other archeological artifacts. A manufactured and fabricated "code" is also not evidence of divine origin.
Also how can a book claiming to be of divine origin allow up to 2 discrepancies (482)? A book of divine origin should allow ZERO discrepancies and I think that the original text might have possibly said NO discrepancy. So God can make up to 2 mistakes but not more than two? hmm
Even the current text of the quran indicates "THE GOD" and not "God" as the true God. This is evidence that the forum rule itself is not in accordance with even the current text of the quran (i.e. it is unevidenced).
Just a suggestion; everyone is free to disagree and arrogantly mock me for being on a "low level"
you need to take the points you want to discuss , each one of them, in their appropriate sections.
Agreed.
Peace
Peace hanslan,
In the interest of free speech, free will and finding out the truth let FNM remains in the forum.
Everyone is on a journey - everyone will come to a point of frustration - everyone will come to a point where he can't reconcile what should be and what is, everyone has a slightly different opinion, etc - there you are the marvelous creation of the creator giving all of us freewill
But heres the best part, my short interaction with FNM has made me realise that some of us have fallen into the idolatry trap. Some of us are so tuned to defend the Q we forgot what we are actually defending - thus we have made the Q as an idol.
What are we defending really? Is it the Q? Is it god? - we are just defending a set of beliefs we believe are correct at present.
bravo bravo bravo
Do good, don't do bad.
Agreed. This is the most important and most fundamental message. I found 90 occurrences of "good deeds" in the quran.
4133 And who is better in saying than he who invites to God, and does good works, and says "I am from ALMUSLIMEEN/one of those who have made peace."
May the infinite Creator bless you and guide us all to the truth.
Peace
Peace hansolo,
No, it was to serve the infinite Creator by making peace and doing good deeds to develop and evolve spiritually. The word "ya'buduni" in 5156 has been deliberately mistranslated by the pagans. Worshipping is practiced by pagans. The infinite Creator is not egoistic or needy like some of its creation that wanted to be worshipped (for example the negative higher dimensional entities like Enki, Enlil, Marduk etc.). Do extensive research on Sumerian inscriptions, Enki, Enlil, Marduk etc. (the ones who pretended to be Yahweh) and you will discover the secret of where all the deceptive negative messages came from.
4133 And who is better in saying than he who invites to God, and does good works, and says "I am from ALMUSLIMEEN/one of those who have made peace."
11123 And to God is the unseen of the heavens and the earth, and to him all matters return. So serve him and put your trust in him. Your Lord is not unaware of what you all do.
968 To your Lord is the return.
The return to your Lord points to the spiritual evolution.
In my understanding, the purpose of creation cannot possibly be to test the creation or "distinguish" the good from the bad because that presumes that God does not know the outcome. The infinite Creator already knows the outcome so the "test" makes no sense at all.
Peace
Peace everyone,
I am still studying this verse and haven't formed a conclusive opinion yet. The problem I am facing is when the quran wants to describe an "apparent illusion" or "something similar" or "comparable" it uses the root "shiin-ba-ha". For example
4157 And their saying "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, messenger of God!" And they had not killed him, nor crucified him, but SHUBBIHA/it appeared to them as if they had.
6141 And He is the One Who initiated gardens; both trellised and untrellised; and palm trees, and plants, all with different taste; and olives and pomegranates, MUTASHABIHAN/comparable and not MUTASHABIHIN/comparable.
The triliteral root ww jm dl ( د occurs 106 times as the form I verb wajada (َ
EVERY SINGLE OCCURRENCE is for something real not an "apparent illusion". For example
337 So her Lord accepted her a good acceptance, and made her grow into a good growth, and charged Zachariah with her. Every time Zachariah entered upon her in the temple enclosure, WAJADA/he found provisions with her.
The provisions were real not an illusion.
1265 So when they opened their baggage, WAJADU/they found their goods had been returned to them
The goods were real and not an illusion and were actually returned to them.
1877 So they ventured forth until they came to the people of a town. They requested food from its people but they refused to host them. Then WAJADA/they found a wall which was close to collapsing, so he built it.
The wall was real not an illusion and was actually collapsing.
2823 When he arrived at the watering hole of Midyan, WAJADA/he found a crowd of people watering, and WAJADA/he found two women waiting on the side.
The crowd of people was real and not an illusion, and two women waiting on the side were real and not an illusion.
So the usage of the same "WAJADA" in 1886, by using the quran as its own dictionary, can only indicate something real and cannot indicate an apparent illusion.
The quran uses very precise language.
So the question that arises is, if the setting of the sun in the spring was an "apparent illusion" and not real why did it not use a word from the root "shiin-ba-ha" instead of "wajada"? Then the matter would have been crystal clear.
Also, "point of sunset" would mean the actual place where sun is setting. It does not mean "point of apparent sunset" or "a place from where sun is appearing to set". Implying that it means "point of apparent sunset" would be lying about the verse. There is no "shiin-ba-ha" there so translating it as "appeared" is a lie.
378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.
Peace
Peace everyone,
Burden of proof is not on the one who makes a negative claim but on the one who makes a positive claim. For example
CLAIM A = "the current text of the quran is not from God in its entirety".
CLAIM B = "the current text of the quran is from God in its entirety".
The burden of proof will be on the one making claim B and not on the one making claim A.
Following is an excerpt from an article on burden of proof in order to clarify rules of a logical discussion
"The instances of circumstances that provide nuanced exceptions (see below) to the rule are so few and misleading to let it appear they nullify the rule that it is far better to just state that the burden of proof is always on the claim that X exists rather than on the claim that X does not exist. It is a fallacy to claim that X exists unless you prove that there is no X. What is improper is for a person to claim that "X exists" and when asked to prove it, then the person who made the claim uses as a defense of "X exists" the next claim that no one has proven that X does not exist.
If a person claims that X exists and is real then the burden is on that person to supply some support for that claim, some evidence or proof that others can and should examine before accepting it. It is incorrect to think that X exists and is real until someone can prove that there is no X. It is also wrong to think that just because you can not prove that X exists that does not mean that X does not exist and therefore X does exist."
"The person making a negative claim cannot logically prove nonexistence. And here's why to know that a X does not exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things (omniscience). To attain this knowledge would require simultaneous access to all parts of the world and beyond (omnipresence). Therefore, to be certain of the claim that X does not exist one would have to possess abilities that are non-existent. Obviously, mankind's limited nature precludes these special abilities."
http//www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm
Peace
Peace FaithNoMore,
For the purpose of our discussion
CQ = current text of the quran
OQ = original text of the quran
This is of vital importance, unless anyone can prove beyond any doubt that CQ = OQ (i.e. they are 100% identical). Additionally, whenever CQ mentions "the quran", in my understanding that refers to OQ (it is obvious that when the quran was revealed, "the quran" referred to that original positive channeling which is protected in lawh mahfouz - 8521-22). Therefore, all the "preservation" verses (159, 4142 etc.) refer to OQ in my understanding, and not to CQ, otherwise it will just be a logical fallacy of circular reasoning.
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Yes I am a muslim according to you and I appreciate that.
Brother, I believe that you are a muslim even according to CQ also!
4914 The nomads said "aamana"/"we believe." Say "you have not believed; but you should say "aslamna"/"we have made peace", for belief has not yet entered into your hearts." If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
4133 And who is better in saying than he who invites to God, and does good works, and says "I am from "al-muslimeen"/those who have made peace."
Do you see "the quran" or "our revelations" anywhere in 4133?
So if you accept the existence of the Creator and invite to the Creator and do good deeds, you are a "muslim"/peacemaker even according to CQ.
I am kafir according to the Quran for simple crime that I say it is not the word of God, but the work of man.
That makes me lowest of lows. Worst than a believing murderer rapist scumbag.
You are not a "kafir" if you don't cover/conceal the truth after being 100% certain that it is the truth. For example, I am 100% certain of existence of the Creator. Now if I start going around telling everyone there is no Creator, I will be concealing or covering the truth and that would be "kufr".
Do you have proof that CQ = OQ in its entirety with 100% certainty? Additionally, are you 100% certain that CQ is "word of God" in its entirety? Not believing in CQ as 100% word of God cannot be "kufr" because you are not covering or concealing the truth after being 100% certain of it. "Kufr" is to cover/conceal the truth after being certain that it is the truth.
Why would the quran itself tell us that its truth will be verified through signs in the horizons and within ourselves (4153), if just the revelations present in the quran were sufficient for that verification?
Why would the quran itself tell us to use our mind/reason (482, 2368, 3829), and appeal to our inner compass/intuition (3030) and ask us for verification through knowledge (1736), if just the revelations present in the quran were sufficient for that verification?
Actually, in my understanding, if someone uses one's mind/reason, inner compass, knowledge and truths in the horizons and within oneself (as indicated in the quran), and arrives at the conclusion about a particular verse in CQ that it cannot be the truth, and therefore must not have been present in the protected OQ, and that person still upholds that it is the truth and "word of God", then that person will be a "kafir" for covering/concealing the truth after having been certain that it is not the truth, even though that person claims to believe in the quran!
But you can study it as a historian. You can ask yourself why people fabricated hadith. What was the inspiration for Sharia.
How was the mindset of the early muslims shaped. You will see the road goes back to the Quran.
The road goes back not to OQ but to CQ. There is indisputable and unequivocal evidence in the form of Sanaa manuscripts that shows possible tampering of OQ most likely very shortly after revelation. So that fabricated history and the mindset goes to whatever the product of tampering was, shortly after revelation of OQ.
Please also study the following to see how they tried to destroy OQ
http//www.inthenameofallah.org/Codices%20of%20the%20Quran.html
Aren't we creating a new tafseer here on this forum?
Agreed. That is why I keep stressing everyone to use the "quranic methodology" for verification of the truth for themselves instead of blindly believing/trusting other's "tafseer", and be patient and wait for the infinite Creator to explain everything directly to oneself
7516 Do not move your tongue with it to hasten it.
7517 It is for us to gather it into its Qur'an.
7518 Thus, when we read it, you shall follow such a Qur'an.
7519 Then it is for us to explain it.
Agreed. Although 262 is abrogated by 385. The Quran is in two parts. Meccan verses and Medinan verses.
No brother, it is not abrogated. 385 is about "islam" (peacemaking, state of being and not a religion) and Abraham, Moses, Jesus were all "muslimeen", without ever having read the quran. The basic message was the same, but OQ is different from the previous messages in some details such as narratives about Muhammad, Zayd, the Romans etc. So the "islam" mentioned in CQ was present way before OQ was revealed. "Whoever follows other than "islam" as "deen"" in 385 does not and cannot refer to only those after revelation of OQ.
Abraham was a "muslim"/peacemaker (small m, common noun, adjective) and not a proper name "Muslim" (capital M, proper noun) follower of a proper name religion "Islam". Those proper name words never even existed in his language.
2132 And Abraham enjoined his sons and Jacob "O my sons, God has selected the system for you, so do not die except you are MUSLIMOON/peacemakers."
367 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Nazarene, but he was a monotheist MUSLIMAN/peacemaker; he was not of the polytheists.
Moses was a "muslim"/peacemaker
1084 And Moses said "O my people, if you believe in God, then put your trust in him if you are MUSLIMEEN/peacemakers."
Jesus was a "muslim"/peacemaker
352 So when Jesus felt their rejection, he said "Who are my supporters to God?" The disciples said "We are the supporters of God, we believe in God and we bear witness that we are MUSLIMOON/peacemakers."
Meccan verses are peaceful, because Mohamed was weak. As soon as he gained power in Medina the violent intolerant verses came.
In CQ not in OQ, unless you can prove CQ = OQ. Also the "Meccan" versus "Medinan" verse is a fabrication unless you can prove with certainty that a verse is "Meccan" versus "Medinan". Also the currently accepted "revelation order" is a fabrication in my opinion.
Look at his life, one wife in Mecca vs many in Medina. The guy flipped. Classic example of how power corrupts.
The multiple wives verses are also troubling for me. I would love to see if OQ had the same verses and they were not a later addition to justify the misogynistic attitude of the corrupters.
Brother, how many lives have these verses ruined. Why would God put a "wife beating" verse knowing that it would be abused, and wait 1400 years to reveal it's true meaning by Quranists.
He coud have easliy said "admonish them, leave them but never ever beat them". He didn't, because it's not from God.
I think the same verse in OQ was possibly tampered with later on by the misogynistic discriminatory corrupters who destroyed OQ. CQ clearly shows discrimination towards women by having a different recommendation for men versus women in 434 and 4128. Why not "abandon the men's beds" and "dharaba" the men also for the same fear of "nushuz" in 4128 instead of just a nice "reconciliation"? No one has ever been able to refute this blatant discrimination.
I called critics kafir and misundestood their motives.
I also misunderstood their posts when I first read them years ago because of my narrow mindedness, dogmatic preconceptions and biases, and not using my mind/reason/logic, intuition, knowledge and truths in the horizons and within ourselves. Now when I read those same posts I see how right they were! They could not have been "kafir" because they were trying to make others aware of the truth, not cover/conceal it!
Therefore I don't think God would ever send prophets. Imagine if Einstien said "E=mc2 and whoever denies this is a kafir and an enemy of Allah".
IMO the true God would never say that anyone who denies its message is an enemy of God. What harm can come to God by denying its message?
In my opinion, the channeling from the infinite Creator never stops and is not limited only to "prophets". The infinite Creator constantly communicates to us from within, we just have to start listening (through meditation or salat etc.). In my understanding, salat for the Creator is a close connection and intimate 2 way communication with the infinite Creator, and not just a "prayer" as used in the quran (1187).
Additionally, positive higher dimensional entities in service to the infinite Creator (similar to Gabriel), keep channeling positive messages to people so that up to date truth is available to everyone in every language.
144 And we have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them .........................
1047 And for every nation is a messenger; so when their messenger comes, the matter is decreed between them with justice, and they are not wronged.
So where is the message in English language?
It was one of these positive channelings by positive higher dimensional entities to a group of people in 1980's that changed my life and enabled me to finally discover the truth. The amazing thing is, I accidentally discovered that message through a thread on this forum in past by a well respected poster!
The entire message is about oneness of the infinite Creator who has unconditional love for all creation, and the concept of repercussions to one's actions, doing good deeds, and spiritual development and evolution. It tells us that the same message was sent to past messengers such as Moses etc., which was corrupted by negative service to self entities later on. For the first time in life something made perfect sense to me and resonated deeply with me using the quranic methodology of verification.
If interested, I would love to share that amazing message (and other positive messages of truth I have come across that say the same thing) with you and you can verify it for yourself.
Peace
Peace all,
Thank you brother Hizbullah for the kind words.
I would urge everyone to read Hizbullah's posts, since he has an excellent grasp of intricacies of the Quranic system. I would however like to stress that we are all human and therefore prone to making mistakes, so please verify everything you read for yourself and use mind/reason, inner compass, knowledge, and truths in the horizons and within yourselves to verify the truth of anything you come across. Please discard anything I say that does not resonate with you. In reality only our RABB guides and only our RABB is the source of all truth.
May our RABB guide us all to the truth.
Peace
Peace FaithNoMore,
Welcome back to the forum. welcome
I have been around on this forum for a long time and I am pretty sure if I knew your old name, I would recognize you instantly!
I have left Islam
I left the pagan fabricated religion of "Islam" (capital I, proper noun, nowhere to be found in the quran) long time ago and embraced the concept of "islam"/peacemaking in my life (small i, common noun state of being, as used in the quran), along with doing good deeds (service to others). My current view is that of "deistic (warm type) panentheistic monotheism" (2115, 2435, 1121, 1529, 3872) and I consider myself a "muslim"/peacemaker (small m, descriptive common noun). I accept the existence of One Infinite Creator, and the concept of just and fair repercussions to one's actions.
http//www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part2.pdf
I am pretty sure that you are a "muslim"/peacemaker as well if you are not a criminal (6835). Please correct me if I am wrong. All of us are one in reality and being a "muslim"/peacemaker and helping others by doing good deeds is actually helping oneself!
I also believed in Code 19 (firmly) and scientific miracles of the Quran, but these unravelled quickly when I studied them critically after learning real maths and science.
I have been fortunate to never believe in the nonsense of code 19. The quran itself actually never promotes code 19, it is just a human fabrication.
As far as the science verses are concerned, I have been stumped by bones coming before flesh in the embryology verses. I happened to study embryology in great detail (as part of my truth seeking and verification per 4153), and know that in reality the bones and muscles form simultaneously. Actually cartilage and muscle form simultaneously and bones come later on. I have also been troubled by the "projectile" verses, since I have studied astronomy in great detail as well.
Briefly, what broke me out of my hypnosis was the flat earth, geocentric cosmology of the Quran.
The cosmology verses use words that can go either way and are not necessarily geocentric or pointing to flat earth.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608757.msg393846#msg393846
Mountains cast down like anchors to stop the earth moving
My geology studies have led me to a similar conclusion as yours.
I know the usual excuses, ?It?s not a book of science?, ?don?t take it literally?. How long can one take this approach? Soon there will be nothing literal left in the Quran. It offers no insight into the world and or any guidance. Most of the Quran is about following the messenger blindly. Mohammed was trying to build up a following through fear. He offered no miracles or any knowledge that people didn?t already have. ?Believe in me or you will be punished?. Of course the punishment didn?t come from God but from the hands of Mohammed.
I agree that a lot of people including me have fallen victim to various logical fallacies such as circular reasoning, begging the question, strawman, unwarranted assumptions, false analogies, argument from ignorance, false dilemma, deductive fallacy etc. in order to justify dogmatic preconceptions, biases and blind beliefs which seriously hinders truth seeking.
I try to follow the quranic methodology of using inner compass/intuition (3030), mind/reason (482, 2368, 3829), knowledge (1736), real world evidence in form of truths in horizons and within ourselves (4153, 5120-21) and careful investigation (494) for verification of ANY STATEMENT before blindly believing.
If you study him as a historical character, he is awful.
Most of the Islamic history was fabricated and manufactured after burning thousands of original books.
Once you realise that the Quran is not from God you will see the bullshit. It is nothing but another idol. You must smash it. Remember, if you were born a muslim, you will have a lot of confirmation bias. Can you honestly say you are objective? Less than 0.5% change their birth religion. The truth is whatever you are born into.
I agree with not idolizing the quran. Even the quran never promotes "quran alone" but "God alone" and advises you to verify its own truth using what I call "quranic methodology".
The quran does have many profound and amazing truths though (e.g. 2115, 262 etc.), but is not the only source of truths. The truths are in the horizons and within ourselves as well which should be used to verify the truth of the quran itself (4153).
I read the Quran now and I see how hate filled it is and uses fear to shut down your rationality.
The fear based messages and an angry, wrathful, vengeful, and jealous god have troubled me as well.
Quran never addresses women once. They are always addressed as property of men, even when it comes to their menses. 3195 was only revealed when the wives of the prophet complained why God does not mention women.
The misogyny, patriarchy, and discrimination against women has troubled me as well.
I?m not posting here to debate anyone. The desire to wake up must come from within. Besides, all the resources are on the internet. If you are brave enough to look. The best resource is the ?The Masked Arab? on youtube. I also find Hasan Radwan were interesting. Here?s a great video about the how the concept of hell was developed
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uniMzg0Qrws
Sanaa manuscripts provide undeniable and unequivocal evidence of possible tampering with the original text of the quran. In at least one verse, there is evidence of addition of "painful punishment in hereafter" at a later time. I suspect the original text of the quran might not have mentioned any "eternal fire in hereafter".
I am awaiting the discovery of the original text of the quran (8521-22) for verification of the truth (4153).
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608711.msg392150#msg392150
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606834.msg356707#msg356707
However, I do agree with the quranic concept of repercussions to one's actions, doing good deeds, and existence of a higher power, the infinite Creator (262, 569, 2115).
I?m posting here now to ask you read the Quran critically.
Excellent advice.
I now believe science is the only way to determine reality and what is good for us.
Science is one of the tools for verification of the truth. The problem is knowledge obtained through science has been shown to be wrong as well sometimes.
I do hope there is a higher power that guides me, but I know it can never be anything like the God of the Quran.
I feel I have firm knowledge of existence of the Creator. Please see the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16702.msg394770#msg394770
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9409.msg394769#msg394769
Additionally, the original text of the quran (the original positive message that was channeled) might not have some attributes of the Creator that are found in the current text.
As I mentioned you can start by looking at The Masked Arab.
https//www.youtube.com/channel/UC9JU55HpvRvCSb1TO2w_eDA/videos
Thank you for the recommendations. Look forward to watching all the evidence.
If you are willing, please watch these two videos. Then let me know if you are perturbed by them.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVwizsojd1Y
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sju28v0dCw8
I thought I had the "perspective" defense for the setting of sun discrepancy but the video blows that defense out of the water and utterly destroys it! I am speechless hmm wow
No wonder no one here has been able to refute it. Instead I see obvious evasion tactics used by at least one poster.
When I make a wrong turn it doesn't condemn me or set a seal upon my heart, but it re-calibrates a new path for me. No matter how many mistakes I make I always make it to my destination.
Wow, amazing analogy. I have firm belief and evidence that the true infinite Creator has unconditional love for ALL CREATION and no matter how many mistakes you make, it will always give you another chance and make sure you make it to your destination.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608434.msg391195#msg391195
May the infinite Creator guide us all to the truth.
Peace
Peace Kanada,
You might also find the following article and video interesting. The video shows quranic, archeological and other historical evidence that Petra was the original city, and earliest mosques faced Petra until 725 CE, and Kaaba was in Petra, not Jerusalem or current Mecca
http//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/history/ayman1.htm
https//gloria.tv/video/agon3t8peViDMAEe24Zhc8CT6
Following is free PDF summary of the book the video is based on (Qur'anic Geography)
http//searchformecca.com/Mecca%20Question.pdf
Dan Gibson's original website
http//nabataea.net/islam.html
Peace