peace, Thank you for the replies to my posts and for sharing your thoughts with me. I've had an interesting couple of days here but having read the recent and archived posts i'm sorry to say I don't think I fit in here. I always have and always will rely on the Quran as my sole source of guidance. I believe the Holy Book is complete and it has been delivered once by the prophet and messenger Muhammad pbuh. I struggle with the concept that new messengers now exist and they can retrospectively take credit for verses already written. This isn't a belief that I share. As I rely on the Quran alone, I think following other books and interpretations, including Rashad's, goes entirely against the concept and principle of relying on the Quran alone. It is for the same reason I do not follow ahadeeth. I think that any numerical patterns that may or may not exist can only further prove the miracle of the Quran and not the counting system employed to analyse it. Whilst i'm a strong believer in 'each to their own' I feel alien to the discussions here on everyday people being messengers. It's this bit that makes it feel like we a practicing entirely different religions, despite following the Quran alone - and this troubles me. I fully respect the various beliefs held here. Please do not think that because I do not share them that I do not respect them I do, just like we all respect other faiths. Anyway, I thought I would share with you my reasons for leaving. I have enjoyed starting to get to know you and really like the idea of finding like-minded people. I seem to be in the wrong forum and it's best that I bid you farewell now. Best wishes, Tulip. Do you commonly take a small % of content to represent the whole? e.g. some people who call themselves "Muslims" are terrorists, do you then make all "Muslims" terrorists? Of course not, as this is illogical. Similarly, with this forum, it is only a minority of posts that discuss messengership or code 19 etc. They do not represent the forum as a whole. No member or post or thread can do that. If you have difficulty in understanding this simple idea, then I agree, that this forum is perhaps not for you. It's this bit that makes it feel like we a practicing entirely different religions, despite following the Quran alone - and this troubles me. Congratulations. You have stumbled upon the feeling that likely caused islam to become regimental, homogenised, tied to schools of thought / tradition/culture/hadith etc.

Salaam Common knowedge that a couple is living as spouses doesn't that amount to making everyone witnesses to their relationship? Beside what is the difference when a believing couple decide not to have childern until they are either sure of their relationship or want to establish themselves first? Does their relationship amount to fornication too?? peace Farida my dear... there was a time when cavemen did not have material to record their commitment. Fornication is not relating to children... fornication is about having sex out of contractual agreement.

Who is of better faith than he who submits himself to God while doing good and following the creed of Abraham, the true in faith? For God chose Abraham as a friend. The Quran (4125) Peace, Respectfully. Indeed, tears have come to my eyes as i read your post, brother. Indeed. God bless you. Glory be to our God. Peace.