i dont speak arabic but google does

heres what i quickly found, its interesting because i've only ever heard this phrase when somone dies so i was told it means 'from him we come and to him we return' PAH! not even close! every day i find a new thing i once believed isnt actually true hypno

read this link

http//wahiduddin.net/words/tahwil.htm

heres a summary if its too much hassle
The phrase may be translated word-by-word as

l? = no, not, none, neither
hawla = change, alteration, transformation, movement, motion
wa = and
l? = no, not, none, neither
quwwata = strength, power, potency, force, might, vigor
ill? = but, except, if not
bi = with, to, for, in, through, by means of
All?h = Arabic name for the Supreme Being

woah i need to be on here more, im surprised at how many replies ive received in such a short period of time. thank you all i really am taking them all in.

im going to address a few of the questions.

Such a tough situation something i envision upon myself.

mind if i ask a few questions..
feel free

how strict are your parents?
so your bro interrogated you and basically you let out your fiance is quranic so he is gonna black mail you if you continue the relationship with him?

Though your parents have approved of him? (before knowing this)

parents are pretty strict! and very 'islamic'
he's never going to let it happen while he still thinks like this, he will tell everyone he says.
and my family approval for the past two years has been half hearted, they already thought hes not 'islamic' enough coz he didnt grow his beard or go to lectures. having this on top of it ruins everything.

option 2 do you really think they will disown you and kick you out and never speak to you again? how independent are you.. I mean they may use it as a threat because they know you wouldn't.

hmm not too sure but it is more than likely. not speaking to me for over a year coz hes asian seems extreme being not muslim in their eyes could evoke any over the top reaction.
independence wise i will be okay, and i can easily move in with my fiancee. the only thing is i dont want to lose my family, i have to try be sensitive to everyone involved.

Have you considered talking to someone in the community who likes the guy and knows your parents?

but if your family dunno why not kinda bluff it? like say he is a muslim that doesn't follow a madhab? (that's plausible not exactly lying) then again when you get married and they find out might not look so good...

have they told you not to speak to him, other than your bro?

my brother has a sheikh he loves i think i might go meet him and see if i can get him to understand. its not likely though hes a leading sufi sheikh for him its all about loving the prophet s
bluffing it wont cut it, it has to be sunni or nothing else s

only my brother knows, if others did id be forbidden to see or talk to him

Why not keep being stubborn? You?ve been with him 2 years? 2 years? It took them 2 years to realise he was a ?kafir? or a ?quranists? that?s a bit worrisome?

Keep being stubborn, say it?s not fair that i be played with emotionally and just because he don?t follow a madhab (or whatever argument you want to place ) doesn?t mean he is bad or i can?t marry him. He is a muslim and believes in God what?s the big deal?.

I feel for ya sis, all the best. God help you

peace

stubborn so far has worked. i think its a goodish option so far. thanks sis im gna try be optimistic inshallah it'll work out.

I can grow long beard, and we can tell your brother that I am a sheykh.

haha i was considering doing the same....i could be convincing

Obour thanks i think thats a great 3rd option! i've never heard of a hadith thats anti quran.

Wakas i think the challenge would be useful but knowing how he thinks a quran challenge wouldnt cut it...what a shame

Christians are the peoples of book Quranist are Kafir. elektro

Any sunny and Shia can marry a Christian but they cannot marry a quranist. D
A mushrik can marry a mushrik not Quranist

funny its so true! i might have to quote you

What "race" are you BTW. D

im a tryathlon race coz i is a trooper! muscle.... im also somali btw

I pray that Allah helps you.

thank you

from reading these quotes and going crazy over thinking everything im leaning to being honest... this is a massive test and its spun life out of balance but i should roll with it and put my faith in God. im safe and will be secure. my love for my family is getting in the way but pretending to believe something wrong wont mean they love the real me.*

** this is how i feel right now.... ;s this might change -\ hmm

my heart is confused im praying for an answer constantly, and im trying my hardest to put my trust in god im just so scared.

and yeah my family love me i know, but the falling out i had with them for choosing to marry outside our race lasted a over year, were finally past this but i dont see them getting over the fact they'd consider me and him non muslim. my brother even said if i was to die it would be haram for him to pray for me. hypno i wish it wasnt as dramatic as it is.

honestly i would just love to tell them the truth i just dont think im ready.

thanks david for the Quran quote, it really does have all the answers )

oh third option dsnt work. my brother now knows my fiancee rejects hadith and considers him not muslim. theres no chance my family would go through with the wedding

yeah you have a point, its important to help other young muslims realise theres another option to dictatorial islam. im going to their summer camp next year (yeah i am abit old for it -/) i think i'll try work with the organisers.

your Quran for youths project idea sounds great. it wouldnt take much to start we'd just need enough people interested in making it happen.

salaam yesuri

you story reminds me of mine. growing up in a very sunni community meant sitting around listening to loads of arguments about sects and opinions and schools of thoughts. the college prayer room was more like a battle ground.

once my questioning started i realised how unimportant Quran was. for every point anyone wanted to make several memorised hadiths could be churned out but you'd never hear Quran. it being so sidelined helped me see how astray i had become.

i wasnt at all bored reading your post, it would be nice to hear from you more

Peace

Wasalaam Sonnie

its always great to hear about someone searching for the truth too. i hope God guides you and us.

welcome to the forum peace

@umzy01

Now if the people who did what was highlighted in bold are'nt extremists then what should we call them then ???

i said we shouldnt loosely call people extreme, i dont have a problem with saying it when its obvious, but if its said all the time it looses all meaning and i'd never class what alen was accused of saying in the same group as people burning and smearing faeces feces on the quran.

Hmm after I had a read of that site, it went down hill after a change of ownership. Some dodgy owners took over it.

Someone needs to bring a "quran for youths" project... without the need to insist a certain point of view as some people amongst these lots are doing here.

oh i know quite a few people involved in YM, didnt realise it was dodgy i was thinking about joining soon.

salaam

my little sister goes to islamic classes to learn Quran, she does 2 hours on saturday and sunday and shes memorised alot of Quran so far. shes only 11 and is on the 5th juz so for your question about it being enough i think having lessons twice a week is more than enough for young children.

i would advise if you are able to home school them on islam you should. my sister in her classes has to memorise hadiths and special duas and is never taught the meaning of the Quran shes memorising, this has been the case in all madrassas we've been to. its frustrating and rather pointless. im sure you could do better, it would be a great time for you to bond with the kids and you'd be learning too. everyone wins ;D

i dont understand how this thread about people wronging Islam has turned in to muslims arguing and fighting with each other. words like extremist are thrown in to our everyday lives to give muslims a bad name we really should refrain from using it so loosely and its none of our place to say whos muslim or not. If someone calls them self one only God can be the judge of that.

Humilities bad nature of dividing is creeping in to our 'non sectarian' way of life....How ironic.

Peace,
Respect.

In UK, today, the prime minister is the leader and many other countries and the Queen here almost ha sno authority, I hear from people telling me that she is only a sa symbol and nothing else. I wonder hoe the message got lost. Queeen should be in charge, yes? Not Prime minister.

God know sbest.
Peace.

the Queen has no authority, years of inbreeding leading her to be born of royal blood isnt enough to give her right to rule, i'd say the same when/if prince charles becomes king too.

but as for women leading im all for it, i remember at my college islamic society women werent even allowed to talk, even if it was to ask a question let alone have any leading roles. how lame.

your story just goes to prove how natural islam is, im glad Allah has guided you. it seems like your at such a pure stage where you can discover islam for yourself how it should be without people or hadith interfering.

i wish you the best on your journey

peace

Hi Khalil

welcome to the forum hope your well

i was as equally excited when i found out there were more people who use only the Quran as their only guide.
i'd say theres always been a term for us, its just 'muslim' muslim with out anything before it like sunni, shia, salafi, ahmedi, sufi ect ;D

theres quite a few of us from london on this forum too, you'll find your really not so alone (

peace

Peace,
Respect.

I had a dog when I was a kid.
Just one advice get a small dog.
One of those that don't grow.
It's easy tot ake care of them, to feed them.....trust me.

God knows best.
Peace.

i took my friends dog for a walk yesterday shes got a jack russell terrier, hes pretty small but the most excitable dog in the world. his bark is bigger than his bite and himself three times over! wasnt that easy to take care of him.

btw, any one of u here have dogs as pet? been thinking about having a dog, maybe a siberian husky! ;D

siberian huskys are so dam beautiful! but im more of a springer spaniel lover

oh and welcome brother harris, i hope your well D

lol how did that go over your head sis? It was pretty clever if you ask me.

it was late -\ .... lol

http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm

thanks for the link wakas,

i meant isamic dress in relation to chest area, i cant figure out if just covering with cloths is enough (eg shirt) or would you need a to draw an extra layer over?

i've had this debate and different translations make me unsure, does anyone know or have an opinion they can back using Quran?

below are a few different translations i got off the submitters website for 2431

"And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests" Khalifa translation

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms" Pickthall translation

"And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms" Shakir Translation

"And say to the believing women that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts, and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment except that which is apparent thereof, and that they draw their head-coverings over their bosoms" Sher Alin translation

when i stop wearing hijab, i was wondering what my requirements are from the Quran when it comes to covering my chest, at the moment i just have my hijab go lower over my top to do the job. this is even when im not wearing low-cut tops which would reveal any skin.

my question is would you consider the veil asked for in the Quran as tops that cover your chest well or would you on top of your cloths need another layer like a shall or scarf to cover any shape?

fast on a computer keyboard. I gotta do a lot of typing for my work.

oooooh haha ... how exciting -\

No I don't. But I'm quite fast on a keyboard.

fast on a keyboard?

Don't worry about it. Being talented in playing a guitar isn't very important.

It's all about the piano O0.

hmm not sure music is relative, i do love piano though.

do you play?