I don't think it's suggesting that at all. I read it as those who choose to be guided through the Quran have the BEST guidance, those who have other books (Christians, Jews, etc.) have SOME guidance if they're honestly seeking it, and those who choose to stray have NO guidance. Also, there are the many verses that say that God will guide through His Signs, too, so that's another reason I don't think guidance comes ONLY through the Quran. But, I think you're more likely to see His Signs for what they are if you're being guided through the Quran.

Yep, I agree.

I asked the same question.. why should i believe in God? Whats the purpose?

but i started thinking that the existence of a God creates purpose in life.
There are many people who ask 'why would God exist and not help the millions of people under poverty and suffering' in an attempt to prove that God DOESNt exist.

On the contrary, I believe this is proof that he DOES exist. I believe this is all a test by God.
All the people who have suffered will be rewarded while all the evil corrupt greedy tyrants of this world will be punished.

A belief in God creates hope and a purpose for living.

Im sure that God only controls the laws of the universe. For example, If you pull a trigger on a gun and it is pointed at someone, you will injure or kill that person. God in this case, controls the law that pulling the trigger of a gun will fire a bullet. Its your choice of whether to point that gun at another human being and intend to kill him. If you do make this choice, you will have sinned.

It does make sense to me that we dont need to uphold any book to be guided by Allah. We can live a good righteous life, believe in one God, and that would be enough to give us access to heaven, but I came across some Quranic verses a long time ago

Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects) the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have NO guide.

Indeed there has come to you from Allah a Light and a Clear Reading. With it Allah guides whoever follows His good pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His permission He guides them onto a straight path.

Arent these verses suggesting that Allah guides ONLY through the Quran?

The two vreses you quoted is talking about faith in God and the hereafter. This has nothing to do with a person's religious sect or denomination. Hence the Quran establishes a universal criteria regarding faith. It has nothing to di with scriptures. Scriptures are talked about in Maida Suran from verse 43 onwards.

Anyways here is my take on this

http//www.conflictingviews.com/religion/all-religions/koran-says-torah-gospel-not-corrupted-3324.html

Its kind of bias since I lean towards accetance of previous scriptures. But its a good start on the subject for someone looking to start somewhere.

O ok. Thank you for the clarification.

hmm
Maybe 456 7750 refer to following things after the revelation of the Quran that's why it says 'after'. I dunno.

good point

but im also wondering why Allah would aprove of the jew/christian books when they consist of such falsehood..

But it tells us that the Righteous Jews and Christians will enter heaven as well, and the Jews believe in their scriptures while the Christians believe in theirs.

Ok. Can you tell me what it says? And can you tell me if it is telling me to follow the Jewish/christian scriptures?

peace uZi,

Welcome to the forum.

Rather than using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, why not stick up "minor" points in your local Sunni mosque? This is likely to be more effective. I also recommend sticking up posters such as this. Same goes for everyone near a mosque.

thats a very good idea. bravo

thank you!

haha... yea i always think about what to do

I am planning on printing out proof and posting it up in my local sunni mosque, but I am guessing it will probably be torn to shreds as soon as the reader gets the idea of the paper which is to follow the Quran alone just as god intended we do.

Selam

I know lets call ourselves Muslimeena or Submitters or Muslims. Hmmmmmmmmmm sounds familiar!

2278 And strive in the cause of God its truly deserved striving. He is
the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for
you in the system, the creed of your father Abraham; He is the
One who named you ?those who have submitted? from before
and in this. So let the messenger be witness over you and you be
witness over the people. So hold the bond and contribute towards
purification and hold tight to God, He is your patron. What an
excellent Patron, and what an excellent Supporter.

So just call yourselves Muslims, simple easy no sect etc. By saying you are this Muslim or that Muslim, you first categorise yourselves once then into sub-categories e.g. Quran alone Muslim or Sunni Muslim etc... Secondly, why do we need a sub-category? Thats my feelings on this, I don't know what yours will be hmm.

Peace

and they divided into sects only after the
knowledge (the Qur'an) had come to them, due to jealousy and
resentment among themselves.

HUMANS say that the Quran alone will mislead... while ALLAH says that whoever follows the QURAN will never go astray

As for Muhammad last sermon according to the sunnis about Muhammad giving us the Quran AND his sunnah.. why is it that in surah 2530, Muhammad will say about the miguided people on the day of judgement 'my people have deserted this QURAN'... why is it that he will not say that his people have deserted this Quran and his sunnah'?

1. Well the Quran tells us how to perform Wudu, so im sure it should also tell us how to pray to our lord

2. If the QURAN doesnt tell us how to pray, then where are we possibly going to look? MANMADE scriptures?? we are going to let the currupt words of MAN tell us how to worshipp our lord so we can enter paradise??? shiirrkkkkkkk! not to mention HOW the hadith tells us how to pray.. there are soo many contradictions in it that its basically begging me NOT to follow a word of it.

the Quran tells us to not come to salat prayer without understanding a word that we speak
the Quran tells us to recite ayats from the Quran to pray
the quran continuously mentions 'bow down' and 'prostrate' and 'start from the standing position' so we can definately take advantage of them.

I am sure there is more in the Quran. inshallah we will find it and be guided from it.

I just thought up of 2 more convincing reasons. Tell me what you think?

6. Allah has forbidden SECTS in the religion if Islam

However, all sects in modern Islam have one common belief; The Qur'an

-Which is the only scripture and guidance authorized by Allah and guaranteed to bring success in both words
-The only scripture that Muhammad was ordered to follow

And when Our clear revelations are recited to them, those who do not wish to meet Us said ?Bring a Qur?an other than this, or change it!? Say ?It is not for me to change it of my own accord, I merely follow what is inspired to me. I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the retribution of a great day!?

Say "Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better Guide than either of them, that I may follow it!"

-The only scripture Muhammad was ordered to judge by
-The only scripture Muhammad was ordered to warn by
-and the only scripture the people were ordered to judge by

7. What the prophet will say in about the misguided people on the Day of Judgement

And the messenger said ?My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur?an.??

Eventhough it is true that the people have abandoned the Qur'an for blasphemous man-made scriptures that have absolutely nothing to do with the religion of Islam, notice how Muhammad does not say 'my people have deserted this Quran and my sunnah'...

What is the benefit of repeating a thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599783.0

Im sorry, I just wanted more people to see it.

Why is it that Allah clearly prohibits us from following scriptures aside from the Qur'an

In what-
Hadith-
after-
Allah-
and-
his ayat-
will they believe-

In what HADITH after ALLAH and HIS AYAT will they believe?

In what-
hadith-
after this-
will they believe-

In what HADITH after THIS will they believe?

In what HADITH after THIS will they believe?

Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?

They insist upon following conjecture, when THE GUIDANCE is GIVEN to them
from their Lord.

But tells us that whoever believes in the Quran, the christian scriptures, the jewish scriptures, leads a righteous life and believes in the last day will enter paradise ??

Thanks

Aoa, I will make this short and simple

It all started when I heard my father talk about the hadith and say how we cannot trust all of them..

This made me question the following

1. Why would we trust the word of MAN that has even ONE mistake in it to bring us to heaven?
2. Why wouldnt the word of Allah be enough to guide us? Why do we need additional manmade laws that could have easily been currupted?

I began to to extensive research with the Quran, to eventually find out(alhumdillillah) that the hadith has absolutely nothing to do with the religion approved by God, Islam. However, it plays a critical role in this man-made religon that is perceived to be Islam that the majority seem to be following.

Now, my goal is to make a change within my community to make people see the falsehood they have been ignorantly and mindlessly following.. Inshallah change will come when the 'muslims' of this world will follow the Islam that God intended.

1. Allah says that he guides the believers with the Quran, and ONLY the Quran

Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects) the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have NO to guide.

Indeed there has come to you from Allah a Light and a Clear Book. With it Allah guides whoever follows His good pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His permission He guides them onto a straight path.

This QUR'AN guides to the path that is most stable and balanced

IT guides to the path of the Almighty, the Most Praiseworthy

They said O our people! Lo! we have heard a scripture which hath been revealed after Moses, confirming that which was before it, guiding unto the truth and a right path.

Say (O Muhammad) It is revealed to me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said Lo! we have heard a marvellous Qur'an, Which guides to righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner.

and the Quran alone is ENOUGH to guide

Muhammad- "I am commanded to be a submitter. And to (athluwa / &#1618 read out the Qur'an. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good, and if they go astray, then say, 'I am simply a warner'."

Say (Muhammad) "The Signs are indeed with Allah and I am indeed a clear Warner. Is it not ENOUGH for you that We have sent down to you the Book that is (yuthla /&#1609 recited to them? There is certainly a mercy and reminder in that for people who believe."

Muhammad-?O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you.?

2. Allah says that the Quran is a clear book and that HE takes the responsibility of explaining it to us and clarfying its verses so that we may understand and be rightly guided

Do not move your tongue (O Muhammad) in anticipation of Quran. It is we who put it together as a Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow it. Then, it is WE (Allah) who explain it.

A.L.R. This is a book whose verses have been perfected, and then explained in detail from One (All?h), Who is All-Wise Well-Acquainted with all things.

God thus explains His revelations FOR you, that you may understand.

He clarifies His revelations FOR the people, that they may take heed.

God thus clarifies the revelations FOR you, that you may reflect.

God thus clarifies FOR you, lest you go astray.

God thus clarifies the revelations FOR you. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.

God thus explains the revelations FOR you, that you may understand.

See how We (Allah) explain the revelations, perhaps they may comprehend.

God wills to explain things FOR you, and to guide you through past precedents, and to redeem you. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.

God thus explains His revelations FOR you, that you may be guided.

We have sent down to you Clear verses

3.Allah tells us to obey Allah and obey his messenger. It common sense that obeying the messenger and obeying Allah are no different, because Allah used his messenger to speak his words for him, which is the message (the Quran) to mankind.

It is clear that obeying the messenger is crucial for our guidance in Islam. Allah obviously loves us and wants us to be rightly guided, but if obeying the messenger meant obeying the words of Muhammad, then why is it that Allah never once recommends that we follow sources outside the Quran to do so?

-Never once are we ordered to obey the Muhammad or ANY of the prophets by name. Even when Allah gives orders to the WIVES of Muhammad in 3330-31, he does not tell them to obey Muhammad or obey their husband, but to obey the messenger.

-In the very first verse of Surah 66, Muhammad had forbidden something that Allah had made lawful in order to please his wives. Should we obey that as well (whatever it may be), eventhough Allah probably does not want us to considering it is condradicting his own commandments?

4. Allah says that Muhammad is a good example for us to follow. If we needed OTHER sources in order to follow the good example of Muhammad, then why is it that Allah never recommends that we do so? Why would Allah tell us of his good example, which is clearly important for our guidance, and not explain in anywhere in his own book?

Fortunately, Allah does explain in detail what he means when referring to the good example of a prophet is in 460, 604, 16120-123

Allah also says that Muhammad has the highest moral character. Again, why is it that Allah never direct us to sources aside from the Quran to find out about the Moral character of Muhammad, since it is also clearly important for our guidance? He does in 4829 and possibly other verses in the Quran.

5. If there were any other scriptures we needed for guidance, Allah, who obviously loves us and wants us to be guided in the best possible way, would have gladly recommended that we use them to. However, never ONCE in the Quran is the use or following of other guidances advocated by Allah, they are only prohibited by him in the strictess manner.

In what-
Hadith-
after-
Allah-
and-
his ayat-
will they believe-

In what HADITH after ALLAH and HIS AYAT will they believe?

In what-
hadith-
after this-
will they believe-

In what HADITH after THIS will they believe?

In what HADITH after THIS will they believe?

They insist upon following conjecture, when THE GUIDANCE is GIVEN to them
from their Lord.

1. Allah says that he guides the believers with the Quran, and ONLY the Quran

Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects) the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have NO to guide.

Indeed there has come to you from Allah a Light and a Clear Book. With it Allah guides whoever follows His good pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His permission He guides them onto a straight path.

This QUR'AN guides to the path that is most stable and balanced

IT guides to the path of the Almighty, the Most Praiseworthy

They said O our people! Lo! we have heard a scripture which hath been revealed after Moses, confirming that which was before it, guiding unto the truth and a right path.

Say (O Muhammad) It is revealed to me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said Lo! we have heard a marvellous Qur'an, Which guides to righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner.

and the Quran alone is ENOUGH to guide

Muhammad- "I am commanded to be a submitter. And to (athluwa / &#1618 read out the Qur'an. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good, and if they go astray, then say, 'I am simply a warner'."

Say (Muhammad) "The Signs are indeed with Allah and I am indeed a clear Warner. Is it not ENOUGH for you that We have sent down to you the Book that is (yuthla /&#1609 recited to them? There is certainly a mercy and reminder in that for people who believe."

Muhammad-?O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you.?

2. Allah says that the Quran is a clear book and that HE takes the responsibility of explaining it to us and clarfying its verses so that we may understand and be rightly guided

Do not move your tongue (O Muhammad) in anticipation of Quran. It is we who put it together as a Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow it. Then, it is WE (Allah) who explain it.

A.L.R. This is a book whose verses have been perfected, and then explained in detail from One (All?h), Who is All-Wise Well-Acquainted with all things.

God thus explains His revelations FOR you, that you may understand.

He clarifies His revelations FOR the people, that they may take heed.

God thus clarifies the revelations FOR you, that you may reflect.

God thus clarifies FOR you, lest you go astray.

God thus clarifies the revelations FOR you. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.

God thus explains the revelations FOR you, that you may understand.

See how We (Allah) explain the revelations, perhaps they may comprehend.

God wills to explain things FOR you, and to guide you through past precedents, and to redeem you. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.

God thus explains His revelations FOR you, that you may be guided.

We have sent down to you Clear verses

3. Allah tells us to obey Allah and obey his messenger. It common sense that obeying the messenger and obeying Allah are no different, because Allah used his messenger to speak his words for him, which is the message (the Quran) to mankind.

It is clear that obeying the messenger is crucial for our guidance in Islam. Allah obviously loves us and wants us to be rightly guided, but if obeying the messenger meant obeying the words of Muhammad, then why is it that Allah never once recommends that we follow sources outside the Quran to do so?

-Never once are we ordered to obey the Muhammad or ANY of the prophets by name. Even when Allah gives orders to the WIVES of Muhammad in 3330-31, he does not tell them to obey Muhammad or obey their husband, but to obey the messenger.

-In the very first verse of Surah 66, Muhammad had forbidden something that Allah had made lawful in order to please his wives. Should we obey that as well (whatever it may be), eventhough Allah probably does not want us to considering it is condradicting his own commandments?

4. Allah says that Muhammad is a good example for us to follow. If we needed OTHER sources in order to follow the good example of Muhammad, then why is it that Allah never recommends that we do so? Why would Allah tell us of his good example, which is clearly important for our guidance, and not explain in anywhere in his own book?

Fortunately, Allah does explain in detail what he means when referring to the good example of a prophet is in 460, 604, 16120-123

Allah also says that Muhammad has the highest moral character. Again, why is it that Allah never direct us to sources aside from the Quran to find out about the Moral character of Muhammad, since it is also clearly important for our guidance? He does in 4829 and possibly other verses in the Quran.

5. If there were any other scriptures we needed for guidance, Allah, who wants us to be guided in the best possible way, would have gladly recommended that we use them to. However, never once in the Quran is the use or following of other guidances advocated by Allah, they are only prohibited by him in the strictess manner.

In what-
Hadith-
after-
Allah-
and-
his ayat-
will they believe-

In what HADITH after ALLAH and HIS AYAT will they believe?

In what-
hadith-
after this-
will they believe-

In what HADITH after THIS will they believe?

In what HADITH after THIS will they believe?

They insist upon following conjecture, when THE GUIDANCE is GIVEN to them
from their Lord.